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just following up to say this book is good
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# ? Mar 3, 2020 22:08 |
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# ? May 5, 2024 07:49 |
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THIS DAY IN HISTORY APRIL 16TH posted:1943
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 01:26 |
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lol that misses the part about how he rode his bike home after accidentally dosing himself, tripping balls the whole time
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 01:27 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J36xPWBLcG8 Just in case you guys didn't know.
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# ? Apr 18, 2020 01:38 |
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i've been reading Chaos and it's fascinating. kinda reminds me of The Management of Savagery, which also traces a bunch of career criminals through their spooky dealings with the us government... although with a background of hardcore Islam instead of hippies and LSD.
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# ? Apr 18, 2020 07:43 |
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Beaucoup Cuckoo posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J36xPWBLcG8 This is a great in depth discussion of the book and also Rogan does a good job of getting O'Neill and open up and speculate a bit more regarding some of the implications of what he discovered. I highly recommend this, perhaps more so to anyone who has already read to the end of Chaos.
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# ? Apr 18, 2020 18:34 |
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Sounds like he's got two more book to write before he croaks.
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# ? Apr 18, 2020 19:01 |
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Helsing posted:This is a great in depth discussion of the book and also Rogan does a good job of getting O'Neill and open up and speculate a bit more regarding some of the implications of what he discovered. I highly recommend this, perhaps more so to anyone who has already read to the end of Chaos. it’s three hours, what’s the gist of his speculation? I just read the book and it sounds like oneil was really hoping to directly connect west to manson. personally that’s not as important to me as what the book says about the nature of class power. I came away with the sense that the cia either unleashed or encouraged the spread of amphetamines to break the counterculture. other than that, there’s no “grand conspiracy,” just a highly compartmentalized network of amoral psychopaths doing mengele-level “science” to maintain social control. it’s not so much that west personally programmed the manson family mkultra style, but rather that david smith saw manson as a savant and enabled his crimes, just to see what happened. because hey, what’s the worst that could happen? it’s not like he was disseminating a class analysis my guess is that roger smith was enough to vouch for him in SF and david smith kept him full of drugs and “participant-observed” his way through the harem while pumping rats full of amphetamines. down in hollywood, reeve whitson partied with all the celebrities to collect blackmail material just in case they ever stopped doing epstein poo poo and stumbled onto communism. he probably got a list of names with manson on it from his handler and his word was enough to keep the lapd off his rear end. when the whole thing blew up in their faces, everyone closed ranks. there were probably a few weeks when a bunch of administrators and politicians realized they exposed, then Bugliosi came along and offered a way out of analysis paralysis, so they all fell in line, kind of like how everyone made way for Biden after Super Tuesday. to me this all says that the real danger isn’t so much “men in small rooms,” as it is bourgeois science, which will disregard any ethical and moral restraint to ensure the ruling class is never materially threatened. I’m interested in what the “amphetamine contagions” of our contemporary moment are. I suspect it’s connected to the way we use the Internet
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# ? Apr 18, 2020 19:49 |
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I think it might be 3hrs well spent for you. Not that any of us are busy right now. First hour focuses on Chaos. Second hour gets into the before and after of the book more. Third hour is touch and go and most of where Joe goads him into being more speculative in his claims. Last 20 minutes are probably the most entertaining.
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# ? Apr 18, 2020 19:52 |
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Beaucoup Cuckoo posted:Not that any of us are busy right now. this is true!
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# ? Apr 18, 2020 20:08 |
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yeah the joe rogan interview is good, I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do with this information lol e: I’d forgotten there was a strain of white hollywood celebs who supported the panthers and poo poo
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 01:43 |
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The JRE ep was great, and as others have said, Joe was able to push him closer to speculation than he was in the book or on the Chapo episode. I had heard that Sirhan Sirhan had weird amnesia but always dismissed that. If there’s a connection to Jolly West, I’m all-in.
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 04:11 |
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I went and put this book to "fun reads" list to get and queued Twenty Days of Turin afterwards, drugless brain frying techniques being developed as I post (very good read so far, I am at chapter 3)
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 17:32 |
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Billionaire Dark Enlightenment prince Peter Thiel, the rear end in a top hat behind Palantir, invested in a psychedelic research startup: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-23/thiel-backs-psychedelic-drug-startup-in-latest-funding-round
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# ? Apr 25, 2020 20:10 |
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The actual scariest thing in this book is the more-or-less throwaway lines in Chapter 12 regarding Merlin. Apparently, and I didn't know this, private investigators are license AND if you're licensed you automatically get access to a database that allows you to cross reference directories to find anyone who doesn't want to be found. What? WHAT?!
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# ? May 4, 2020 17:32 |
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Maybe a naive thing to say, especially in the context of this thread, but getting licensed isn't the easiest thing to do.
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# ? May 6, 2020 06:17 |
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I thought the scariest thing in the book was when Jolly West hypnotized that soldier into murdering someone without remembering it and then got the soldier sentenced to death after forcing him to confess by pumping him to the gills full of sodium pentothal.
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# ? May 6, 2020 06:36 |
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Oh yeah there's scarier things. I figured it's not that hard? How hard is it?
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# ? May 6, 2020 13:30 |
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https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1260767010872610819 Anybody read this book? Any good? I need more CIA exposes after reading CHAOS. "Legacy of Ashes" gets mentioned quite a bit, but just as many people say it's succlib drivel.
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# ? May 14, 2020 06:05 |
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1260767010872610819 poisoner in chief politics of heroin devil's chessboard
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# ? May 14, 2020 11:33 |
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:
blowback is pretty good
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# ? May 15, 2020 16:24 |
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book threads are good just my 2 cents
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# ? May 15, 2020 16:29 |
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After reading Programmed to Kill I sincerely believe that Manson's quote in the Epilogue (which O'Neill puts no stock in) - "The U.S. Navy holds the purse strings, man" - is very much worthy of investigation.
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# ? May 15, 2020 16:30 |
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1260767010872610819 If you can get past its horrendous framing, Legacy of Ashes contains a lot of irrefutable proof that the CIA is as evil as it is incompetent (very). Lots of humorous stories about the US intelligence getting absolutely dunked on in the Cold War. Lots of infuriating stories about the US installing/propping up right wing dictators.
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# ? May 15, 2020 22:16 |
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"the CIA as organized crime" is good
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# ? May 16, 2020 01:21 |
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gh0stpinballa posted:hahahahaha
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# ? May 30, 2020 19:58 |
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Today I learned about the existence of Michael Bear Carson and Suzan Carson, the "San Fransico Witch Killers", and Michael sorta sounds like a B list Charles Manson. He was a hippy stay at home dad and sometimes pot dealer who lived in Haight-Ashbury and who seems to have undergone some kind of violent psychotic break that caused his wife to divorce him and later to flee in the night with their young daughter. Michael renamed himself Bear, found a new and appropriately crazy wife, and then became convinced he was supposed to hunt and kill "witches". The two of them were eventually convicted of three murders though apparently there are suspicions that they killed up to a dozen people. They murdered an aspiring actress and also plotted to kill various celebrities and politicians including then president Ronald Reagan. While they were on the run from the cops they were arrested by the LAPD in 1982 but quickly released due to police error, apparently leaving a gun behind. A few months later they were apprehended after violently murdering a man who was giving them a ride in his car and being seen by other motorists on the road.
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# ? May 31, 2020 18:50 |
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What just happened to the thread title lol
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# ? Jun 1, 2020 01:57 |
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Dumb Lowtax posted:What just happened to the thread title lol i think the kids are calling it a crack ping
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# ? Jun 1, 2020 04:14 |
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On a whim I decided to temporarily zhuzh up the thread title just in case it pulls in a few fresh posters.
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# ? Jun 1, 2020 19:21 |
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Helsing posted:Today I learned about the existence of Michael Bear Carson and Suzan Carson, the "San Fransico Witch Killers", and Michael sorta sounds like a B list Charles Manson. He was a hippy stay at home dad and sometimes pot dealer who lived in Haight-Ashbury and who seems to have undergone some kind of violent psychotic break that caused his wife to divorce him and later to flee in the night with their young daughter. Michael renamed himself Bear, found a new and appropriately crazy wife, and then became convinced he was supposed to hunt and kill "witches". The two of them were eventually convicted of three murders though apparently there are suspicions that they killed up to a dozen people. They murdered an aspiring actress and also plotted to kill various celebrities and politicians including then president Ronald Reagan. While they were on the run from the cops they were arrested by the LAPD in 1982 but quickly released due to police error, apparently leaving a gun behind. A few months later they were apprehended after violently murdering a man who was giving them a ride in his car and being seen by other motorists on the road. posting in the chaos thread that the LAPD released known killers because of police error
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# ? Jun 1, 2020 19:29 |
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i've been checking out visup a lot and cross referencing with chaos, and i'm truly surprised they have not yet paid some spree killer to go at the protesters
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# ? Jun 3, 2020 00:10 |
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gh0stpinballa posted:i've been checking out visup a lot and cross referencing with chaos, and i'm truly surprised they have not yet paid some spree killer to go at the protesters theres plenty of cops out already????
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# ? Jun 3, 2020 16:07 |
gh0stpinballa posted:i've been checking out visup a lot and cross referencing with chaos, and i'm truly surprised they have not yet paid some spree killer to go at the protesters why would you do that when you can just put pallets of bricks all over the place and then get a massive increase in your budget to deal with rioters. Killing people is so 1960s.
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# ? Jun 3, 2020 18:00 |
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does this book touch upon the CIA's connection to Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple? is there a better book for that??
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# ? Jun 3, 2020 18:31 |
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Impkins Patootie posted:does this book touch upon the CIA's connection to Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple? is there a better book for that?? no I don’t remember seeing anything like that in the book
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# ? Jun 3, 2020 18:49 |
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ok cool thanks
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# ? Jun 3, 2020 20:17 |
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This is an article from 1999 that describes the long running tradition in the LA Sheriff's department of maintaining fraternity like secret societies that often had very fascy or racist symbols. It's worth noting that this article concerns the LA sheriff and not the LA Police Department. The Tate-LaBianca murders involved personnel from both the LAPD and the Sheriff's office, and also none of the groups described here are traced back that far, but I still found this article to be an interesting little behind the scenes glimpse into what late 20th century policing in Los Angeles and its surrounding environs looked like.The LA Times posted:The Secret Society Among Lawmen
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# ? Jun 19, 2020 18:10 |
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Pryor on Fire posted:why would you do that when you can just put pallets of bricks all over the place and then get a massive increase in your budget to deal with rioters. Killing people is so 1960s. true but since my op and your post there have been several lets say bizarre incidents
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# ? Jun 19, 2020 21:44 |
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# ? May 5, 2024 07:49 |
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Saw this posted over in the Epstein thread. Maybe now that the dust is settling over the website drama I'll push myself to try and make this thread active again.quote:Pont-Saint-Esprit poisoning: Did the CIA spread LSD?
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# ? Jun 28, 2020 18:56 |