Vox Nihili posted:

Project Ratfuck may already be underway.

DES MOINES, Iowa — A small group of Democratic National Committee members has privately begun gauging support for a plan to potentially weaken Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign and head off a brokered convention.

In conversations on the sidelines of a DNC executive committee meeting and in telephone calls and texts in recent days, about a half-dozen members have discussed the possibility of a policy reversal to ensure that so-called superdelegates can vote on the first ballot at the party’s national convention. Such a move would increase the influence of DNC members, members of Congress and other top party officials, who now must wait until the second ballot to have their say if the convention is contested.

https://t.co/7Ppot08hlM?amp=1

Vox Nihili posted:

A number of sources are saying this DMR leak is correct now:

Bernie 22
Warren 18
Pete 16
Biden 13
Klobuchar 13

berserker posted:

Do you really think that any one of them would, say, appoint people to head up their departments who are there specifically to destroy said departments? Yes.

berserker posted:

The best way progressives can help Trump win is to say "Bernie or bust" because it is not guaranteed yet that Bernie will be the nominee. The reason Republicans keep winning is because they are unified no matter what. Division cannot beat that no matter what we think is best for the nation.


This feels nice but the reality is that accelerationism like this only leads to a hell of a lot of suffering. The goal should be to REDUCE suffering, not add to it. Even if it leads to some grand utopia, it won't be nice for those who suffered through the fires that are used to burn it all down before rebuilding.

Angry_Ed posted:

Nice job trotting out some good old 1990s transphobia re: Democratic women

joepinetree posted:

Unironically agree

Parrotine posted:

Jesus Christ, are people gonna actually do this? Pick up their ball and go home if their trend-setting superstar candidate doesnt take the nom?

I know nothing and care little about the Buttman, but if he takes it you better believe I'll crawl over broken glass to vote for him, I cannot take four more years of Trump madness.

I feel like people are forgetting THE reason why Trump won in the first place, a severe case of voter apathy. Theres nobody remotely as toxic as Hillary running which should be a huge leg up, dont gently caress this up Bernie Bros.

TyrantWD posted:

There is an army of unqualified nazi judges with lifetime appointments that say otherwise.

Turns out the real world is more complicated than a computer game.

Xombie posted:

I want to put this post in a speech bubble of some guy standing looking at a Central American baby in an American concentration camp. Or a 15 year old rape victim on her deathbed after she wasn't able to get a life-saving abortion. Alas, I'm not good enough at photoshop. So you'll just have to imagine it.

Xombie posted:

Either there the current crop of candidates are pretty much Trump In Blue, or 4 years of Trump has pushed the current crop of candidates Left. Pick one. These are not compatible views.

John Wick of Dogs posted:

Ugh don't make me like Glenn Greenwald, universe. gently caress you, God

Kodo posted:

How are u posted:

Or you could quit being a baby about it and work your rear end off to elect even Pete the rat because every one of these Dems has a good shot against Trump and 4 more years of Trump isn't going to teach your enemies a lesson and will in fact obliterate the last environmental protections the loving country still has and the climate apocalypse you Bernie or Busters like to shout about as the reason that Bernie must win is loving guaranteed.

Christ, you fuckers are exhausting.

oxsnard posted:

Let's avoid any possible sexual connotations when referring to Butt's name, ok?

Thoughtless posted:

Dunno, from the outsider perspective it seems like Bernie has this in the bag, more or less. It's the same feeling as there was with Trump, where all the polls start saying there's absolutely no way and then he wins anyway because he's the only one that anyone's even remotely excited about. Except this time it's good excitement.

i.e. people might say they vote candidate X in preliminary polls, but because that candidate is too generic and uninspiring, they never actually go out and vote. Unlike the energized voters.

I think you'll do fine, America.

Endorph posted:

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1234818015776124929

the minimum wage in this country will never be raised and healthcare will never be public

LinYutang posted:

Maybe Bernie could have ran a campaign that appealed to older voters as well, instead of hoping for unprecedented youth turnout. Oh well.

RottenK posted:

whatever happens i do hope that the goons of cspam will be willing to organise at least some financial help for the lefties ITT who might actually not survive 4 more years of american healthcare as envisioned by people like trump and biden

im not one of those people myself but if electoralism fails we should help people in other ways, when possible

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Good news for Bernie

https://twitter.com/alaynatreene/status/1234869997551398919

smoobles posted:

Can someone explain to me this thing where Bernie supporters on Twitter think he's entitled to Warren supporters' votes w/ 46 states to go

Brony Car posted:

I guess it's becoming more widespread among my friends that I feel the Bern and I'm getting a lot of angry and skeptical messages now. I stand by my beliefs, but it's not good for my faith in other voters to make good choices in either the primary or the general election.

I hope you all are having an easier time of it.

Brony Car posted:

But I’ll still vote in the general for the Democrat. I’m not that pure.

TyroneGoldstein posted:

Dude, I've been watching accelerationist white guys go nearly if not fully all-in on people who will be on the actual receiving end of the GOP's bigotry through legislative and judicial fiat since 2016 and it has gotten steadily worse. I don't expect perfect behavior on the likes of Twitter, but come on..

When responses to pleas from people like Parker Malloy stating "Hey, you can vote for who you feel best represents you, but there's a case right now in front of the SCOTUS that has the potential to make it law that anyone can legally discriminate against me for any reason whatsoever in any area of life," are met with 'OH WELL, MAYBE IF THIS PLACE HAS TRUMP INFLICTED ON IT FOR A BIT LONGER YOU ALL WILL MAGICALLY LEARN!" I really don't know what to say.

If you're not white and cis, there's no fuckin' tomorrow if he gets a second term and...to pull a quote from a piece I read shortly after the 2016 election..."I don't know how to make you care about others."


This.

Sir Lemming posted:

What makes Biden better than Trump is he might actually give a crap when the entirety of Congress and the American people are yelling at him about something like the kids in cages or pulling out of Syria. He's not a complete nihilist, he wants the support of his party. That's worth something at least. It just depends on continued pressure and willingness to yell at the guy from your own party, which I admit is an uphill battle.

Craptacular! posted:

I agree that "Mean tweets nominated Joe Biden" is like the DNC version of "GamerGate elected Trump", but something has to explain why my mother who never turns off MSNBC doesn't even know how Twitter URLs work, but is so drat sure that Bernie's following is toxic.

All this reducing people to donuts and checkmarks does reach boomers, because boomers are informed about the world by checkmarks.

Gripweed posted:

Now that the initial shock and disappointed has worn off, can we all focus on the fact that Biden is ahead by fewer than 100 delegates? Bernie can easily make up that gap

BoldFace posted:

You can stop it by convincing Bernie supporters to vote for Biden and beating Trump together in November. No matter who the democratic nominee is, they're not going to win in November if the entire party is not behind them.

TyroneGoldstein posted:

Why are you looking to hurt people? Why would you even say something like this?

Cheesus posted:

I'm voting Sanders in November whether he wins the primary or not.

Potato Salad posted:

There is no union after Trump wins 2020.

TyrantWD posted:

Bernie wasn't sabotaged.

Kaal posted:

You never know, maybe Sanders will close out his days of relevance by finding a whole new category of the Democratic Party to insult and undermine. Surely all the polls are a conspiracy and victory is in hand!

LinYutang posted:

Biden managed to convince his rivals to drop out. Bernie failed to. Maybe Bernie was just worse at coalition building.

booseek posted:

Beautiful. Because Biden won more votes? Or did the DNC somehow "ratfuck" Bernie this time too?

I hate this result too, but the idiocy here is startling. You and others who stay home don't actually care about minority rights and pushing a progressive agenda since you're yet again willing to sacrifice it all because you didn't get the result that you wanted. Bernie gets this and this is why if Bernie loses, he'll be campaigning for Biden.

BigBallChunkyTime posted:

Do the posts saying Biden is worse count?

DelilahFlowers posted:

https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1235212084167790593?s=19