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Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
If Biden gets the nomination then I guess elections simply will never even halfway function in America again.

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Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Bernie should absolutely stay in as long as physically possible, simply out of spite, and maybe Biden will have a stroke or something.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
So is there any reason to dignify the DNC with your vote anymore, this is loving pathetic.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
How surprising that people aren't particularly motivated to vote for dogshit simply because the other candidate is a larger pile of dogshit.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Majorian posted:

The takeaway is actually that voter suppression works in primaries, manufactured consent is a thing, the electability myth is strong, and Boomers want us all to die.

Yeah this

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Biden would absolutely put a conservative on the Supreme, lmao.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
The DNC and American electoralism is completely and utterly unsalvageable, but you can still bake a crock of beans and loaves of bread for a picket line.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Framboise posted:

I'm trying to figure out who is more of an embarrassment to this country at this point, centrist libs or republicans.

It's pretty neck-and-neck.

America has always been terrible, so please don't feel embarrassed for it.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Biden and Trump are functionally nigh-identical.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Republicans posted:

I mean maybe if your health and financial situations are so dire that M4A is your only chance.

People are already rationing insulin lmao

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Republicans posted:

Nah. I'm pretty sure Biden has fought harder and longer to cut entitlements.

Touché

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Maybe I can travel around up see things before all the animals die and all the forests are gone.

Lol I don't have that kind of money.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
I'm scared of bees but that doesn't mean they should all die.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Biden's classic healthcare policy of "just don't get sick, ever (disabled people go die)" will really Energize The Base.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
This is Vermin Supreme's time to shine, I can feel it.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
What we need is (a shitload of) aquaculture, polyculture, etc. Closed-cycle style agriculture rather than destroying massive tracts of ecosystem & biodiversity, but using less/different pesticides in the process.

Would it be expensive? Yeah, but also money is just made up by the government and attaching the profit motive to a human need as basic as food is way hosed up.

Syenite fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Mar 13, 2020

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
The government can literally just force banks to waive debts or print money to hire doctors.

The government is not a person who has to carefully budget it's living expenses or it'll need to eat ramen for a month.

Money is made up by the US government, and everybody else has to deal if it prints cash because the dollar is the largest reserve currency (woo oil)

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Rad Russian posted:

If that happens, then loans will no longer be profitable which mean two scenarios

1) Banks will raise interest rates to payday loan level
2) Banks will stop giving education loans completely

If the private sector can't make money off education, then they're totally fine with killing education.

Maybe if that happened colleges would stop hiking tuition eternally

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Bernie has been hitting it out of the park with these streaming events

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Even if there's absolutely 0 chance to snag the primary, Bernie should stay in as long as physically possible, purely out of spite for Joe

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Voter suppression is the point of these arcane electoral systems

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Lmao Biden would never help poor people like that

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Direct weekly cash assistance of up to $1,400, not a one-time transfer, housing assistance, plus all of the other things on the list is a significantly more comprehensive and expensive package than the House bill or the proposed Trump plan.

Thing is, going by his record, he's absolute not gonna actually implement that plan. It's just campaigning.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Kraftwerk posted:

At this point you have two very lovely options. If your decision is to stay home or vote 3rd Party you’re comfortable enough to be okay with the consequences.
There’s a moral imperative and civic duty to hold your nose and vote D straight down your ticket unless you have a viable independent for something more local. Anything else is selfish and actively putting people less fortunate than you in immediate danger.

I did this for Hillary, in 2016 and got blamed for her losing. I'm not and will never vote for war criminal Biden, whose values (as shown in his voting record) are diametrically opposed to my own.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Kraftwerk posted:

If you vote D you will still have a chance to vote for someone the next time. Voting R or staying home is going to result in the GOP consolidating minority rule and gerrymandering the gently caress out of any new up and coming minority districts that could potentially turn states blue.

I despise Biden. He’s the antithesis of everything I stand for. But the long game here is maintaining some semblance of civic society or else 4 more years of trump is going to kill a whole lot more people and make unseating the GOP that much harder.

I find it funny how people prognosticate the doom and gloom under a Biden admin while ignoring the very immediate harm and damage another 4 years of unhinged Trump will deliver.

The way to help people who will be harmed under both candidates is not to vote for the monster with a D in front of his name, it's direct action. Volunteer your time and energy, rather than smugly proclaiming moral superiority for voting for a repugnant candidate simply because he's not orange.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
How many people are going to die from covid-19 in the concentration camps Biden built

Alexa, what's "genocide"

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
but you see, the rapist with the D next to his name isn't orange, and therefore

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Bernie should challenge Biden's animated corpse to a cage match.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
I'm just following Biden's instructions to not vote for him if I want people's material conditions to improve.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
The options are climate change gets radically addressed, it gets worse with regulatory rollback etc, or it gets worse by lovely half-baked policy that lets people think it's being addressed

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

evilweasel posted:

i see no reason that the end result of another trump term is "eight years of a solid democrat". to the extent there is a significant impetus for action in 2024 it will be stronger if Biden has been president than trump, because things will have been done to make it better and the economy will not have collapsed. the "overton window" to use a common thread term will have shifted towards the left, leaving the question more "how much" rather than "do we do anything". a biden administration will have been able to do things that make more extreme action easier - it is harder to promise someone you're killing their job but you'll supply a new one later, it is easier to implement the new jobs then kill off the remaining jobs.

his VP will need to win a primary - she will be a favorite, but she will still need to win in her own right and will have a very easy chance to break from any of his policies she doesn't like.

there are no guarantees in life but the chances of trump being president for the next four years being better than biden being president is vanishingly small.

the argument you're making appears to believe that you can win in politics by losing. i mean, it's not impossible, but generally you win by winning.


i do not think it makes sense in the context of an election to not discuss the alternatives. that is a fundamental part of an election: what are the alternatives? what are you changing; what are you keeping the same. but sure, it would involve a lot of copying and pasting from his campaign website and pointing out how specific things would be vast improvements over the status quo.

it would not be possible to respond to "but i want better" without saying "these are the options"

Why is overton window in quotes like it's not a real thing?

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Tell Trump how mad the libs will be and how cool he'd look if he gave everybody healthcare, (and take him to cheesecake factory more than the insurance lobbyists)

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
He probably doesn't even remember rapi... [wanders off camera]

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Working within the party is cool so long as it doesn't make you complacent or involve voting for a rapist

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
I think we can all agree, regardless of 4d realpolitik strategizing, that a vote for Biden is a vote to put a rapist into a position where he can do more rapes.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Gonzo McFee posted:

lol Joe Biden fell asleep during his own town hall how are any of you still even supporting him?

Probably preferable in the eyes of the party to him staying awake and further tarnishing his image by talking about kids caressing his legs or sniffing people.

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Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Watching #metoo/"believe women" neolibs awkwardly try to reconcile that with supporting Biden has been an experience, I'll be honest.

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