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I’m starting to wonder if Bernie has been front runner all along and the polls have been misrepresenting it to give Biden as much of an artificial lead as possible. Recall that Hilary was topping the polls until election of Donald Trump.
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Are photos allowed during the caucus? Would be funny to see olds and retirees piling up in droves for Biden/Pete while the state’s entire youth vote is on the sanders side. Just for contrast.
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Jan 31, 2020 16:36
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32 and permanently left wing since a young age. Used to be a tankie in high school.
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sexpig by night posted:literally imagine watching this video and not wanting to support this There’s already the usual comments crowd saying Bernie is a fraud who is in politics only for himself and has done nothing to help others.
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Jan 31, 2020 18:03
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Not gonna lie I’m getting really nervous about Iowa. At first I’m thinking that Bernie has it in the bag but now I’m wondering if all the olds are gonna panic and go Biden or Warren at the last minute because of this stupid electability argument. I’m seriously fed up with it. It’s dumb there’s no electability for these idiots. Anyone who spends 5 minutes watching Biden can see he’s offering nothing to nobody. Who the gently caress takes an hour of their day to enthusiastically support this clown?
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Feb 1, 2020 22:51
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Alkydere posted:So...am I supposed to see this as a bad thing? Is politico a group against the Bern? Like a good half of the Bernie slanders, if not more, have me going "Wait, that's supposed to be a negative? I thought it was awesome!" They'll frame this as an inefficient misallocation of federal resources because those private generators are cheaper to run and offer cheaper electricity.
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Feb 3, 2020 06:04
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If losing Iowa doesn’t matter that much, what does winning it get you?
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Feb 3, 2020 07:03
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This thread was laughing at Bloomberg now he’s polling 15%. Never underestimate your enemies. Especially the ones with infinite campaign funds and lavish benefits for staffers.
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Feb 3, 2020 20:28
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OctaMurk posted:holy poo poo my office must be run by the most hardcore marxists on the planet then Legit my calendar is rammed with meetings and conference calls.
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Well I have confidence in the precinct captains on the ground. I expect everyone to be individually interviewed and the calculations redone one by one with some officials present to ensure integrity. That’s why I think this is taking so long. As other posters have mentioned Iowa has always been a shady process and in the past it was also opaque allowing people to just wing the numbers without scrutiny. In the post 2016 world however, the integrity of the process is paramount and I think the delay has a lot to do with making sure there wasn’t any fuckery so there’d still be some credibility. If a narrative builds around people rigging the process and there being no credibility to an open and highly public process it could trash the Democratic Party so hard they’d go the way of the Whigs and we’d end up with some new third party. Nobody wants that. There’s grifters who will kiss the ring if Bernie wins as long as they can keep their positions so it serves no one to have a reputation of corruption and electoral malfeasance for the Democratic Party. I expect the Iowa results to be similar to what the polls were predicting. A 28-30 percent Bernie lead with a +/- 3-4% margin of error. I think the procedures to ensure the numbers are correct will get dragged out so that the media impact of a Biden flame out and Bernie victory is negated. When Bernie wins NH everyone will attribute that as a given. My prediction is we will have to wait until an extremely competitive and vicious Super Tuesday before we really get a front runner that can be declared nominee with some degree of competence. The conclusion is that Iowa was hard fought but it won’t do what it used to do for the winner and thus we are in for a chaotic couple months before we get the closure we seek. The biggest irony is that all those pundits saying “No clear winner in Iowa” almost seemed prescient about this entire process. Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Feb 4, 2020 |
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So if Bernie is the Nominee how does he stop his own party from sabotaging his campaign against Trump. Like are we going to donate to the presidential campaign via act blue or is it going to happen via DNC fundraising channels? Should he just surround himself by people he trusts rather than the party apparatus? Basically I’m wondering if Bernie gains access to any kind of resources or support to his campaign if he becomes the nominee. The entire party hates his guts and only through democracy is he gaining his power here.
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Feb 4, 2020 22:29
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HD DAD posted:For some weird reason, it almost seems like they don’t want to beat Trump. It's this. If Sanders has a plurality but no clear majority, the supers will nominate whatever centrist is left standing. If Sanders gets a majority and wins the nomination, the DNC will not lift a finger to help him win the white house. Finally if the odds look good against Trump, Bloomberg will run a spoiler campaign to ensure Sanders loses. No matter how you look at it, there is no scenario where Bernie enters the White House. The stranglehold the wealthy, powerful and well connected forces of this nation have on political life is too strong to be beaten by electoral politics. There's way too many escape hatches and special provisions in place.
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Feb 5, 2020 03:46
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I’ve been demoralized by Iowa. I thought we had it in the bag. Not sure what to do now. It feels like NH is gonna go to Pete too. Need something positive to hang onto.
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Feb 5, 2020 20:03
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Thanks guys onto NH. But I should add I have no way to legally influence the campaign I’m a Canadian with a vested interest in seeing Bernie in the Whitehouse because I believe the entire planet follows the signals sent out by America on what is politically acceptable. A Bernie state department forces Canadians to acknowledge that austerity is dead in the water and that we need govt spending on infrastructure and green projects to sustain the economy. We need stronger unions and better wages. If the US head of state advocates for this it becomes politically trendy and other people will start seeing these demands as practical. Trump emboldened xenophobic fascists in Canada. Bernie could cause a left wing resurgence all over the west. Americans don’t realize how much the domestic policies affect all of us.
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Feb 5, 2020 20:20
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Is there ANY scenario where a contested convention will lead to a Bernie nomination or are we well and truly hosed?
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Feb 6, 2020 00:44
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PepsiOverCoke posted:Basically this. I don't get it? Why is it so hard to show up at a place, say your name and push a button or put an X next to your chosen candidates name? Why can't people do this?
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Feb 6, 2020 00:50
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I remember during the Obama Administration an article about Pete Buttigieg came out on a major newspaper. At the time it was talking about who Obama's successor would be and what the future of the Democratic Party looked like. I knew subconsciously who Pete was because of that article. At the time the puff piece made him look so promising I thought there was no way in hell he'd have a shot at being president. So now here he is running and I seriously hope I was right back then. Pete has been preparing for this run for a very very very long time. You insert these little articles so you remember his name. You drop a few puff pieces here and there foreshadowing it. Then long after he drops from memory he pops back up to run for president and suddenly it's like "HEY ! I know this guy" and it feels like you're in the club when the DJ drops a catchy Top 40 song you haven't heard in years but and everyone screams because they mutually know the song. How do Bernie volunteers make time to do that job between their day job and private life? I'd like to live vicariously while I wait for NH.
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Feb 6, 2020 01:19
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I wonder why Nate is so much bearish on Pete than this thread. Frankly I think that's what the numbers say I just have the creeping gut feeling that Pete is the number one threat to a Sanders victory. You have this gut feeling because seeing chyrons that say "PETE LEADS THE IOWA CAUCUS" "PETE STILL HOLDS LEAD AFTER NEW RESULTS" on the news media insert doubts into your brain as is intended.
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Feb 6, 2020 01:22
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Kodo posted:Ahhh been waiting for that wonderfully tolerant Bernie bro energy that's been missing from this election cycle. Now it's the apolitical low-information Gays ruining Bernie's chances This is America, haven't you been paying attention? The gays ruin everything apparently.
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Feb 6, 2020 01:25
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Pete's surge in New Hampshire is really making me nervous. Bernie won this state handily in 2016, how is he only 30% this time? Do primary states award delegates proportional to the vote or is it winner take all? I thought I could relax and see Bernie win NH and now it looks like it's going to be as close as Iowa because of the DNC actively attempting to tip the scales to Pete.
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Feb 6, 2020 06:46
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Feb 6, 2020 23:56
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https://www.newsweek.com/majority-democratic-voters-more-likely-vote-bernie-sanders-after-iowa-caucuses-new-poll-1486148 I hope this is right. I hope this backfires and people see that the fix was in for Bernie and spite vote for him just to teach the DNC a lesson.
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Feb 7, 2020 00:22
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I still don’t understand what kinds of powers a Democratic nominee or president has over the actual party. Is he the de facto party boss during his term? How exactly does Bernie Sanders the nominee have the power to fire people like Tom Perez or others? Do we even have a talent pool of left wing loyalists to replace these people in the event of a left wing purge? Anyway I wanna talk about NH. What is the strategy to counteract the media narrative that Pete won and is surging ahead in NH? CNN has announced him as the rising star of the Democratic Party. It’s fortunate the rest of the media isn’t doing this and just calling it a tie but it’s still a powerful message. I’ve long held the belief that CNN has degraded from a respectable news agency to a tabloid news org similar to Fox News but more neoliberal centrist friendly. Still their reporting on Iowa as dishonest as it is is like calling Pete Viagra to Bernie’s Sildenafil. Only those who really care and shop around are going to buy the latter. The rest will buy what they know because it’s the official name brand. This has a powerful effect on the voting public. If the media reported on this properly Bernie should be the presumptive nominee by now! Will Bernie attack Pete on his south bend record? He needs to attack him hard on his record. Pete engaged in nepotism to fire a qualified black police chief so the police force can murder black people. Pete must get savaged in the debate. The media will ignore it but it needs to be said. The message needs to come out.
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Feb 7, 2020 16:08
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This is kind of a side note. The Dems are running 4 candidates in Maine for Senate. One of them is the speaker of the statehouse Sara Gideon. Any chance she could win? Other candidates include an activist named Betsy Sweet and a google employee who served as an aide to Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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Feb 7, 2020 17:49
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Groovelord Neato posted:I legit don't understand the polls where 60+ percent of people think the economy is doing good to excellent. Is it just Stockholm syndrome? People equate stock market performance with job creation and rising incomes even if that isn’t necessarily true. Basically the overall performance of the DOW Jones and NASDAQ are treated as a measurement for how well you can potentially do even if you’re stuck in lovely precarious work. For the 50k to high six figures crowd that still works for a living with expectations of retirement: The stock market performance means their own retail investments, 401Ks and IRAs are doing well. For Americans that’s their kids college education or a down payment on a new home or car. For many people these things are dear to their hearts and super important and they number in the millions. A Bernie victory likely crashes the stock market and removes a money making and retirement savings avenue many Americans have become accustomed to for decades now that defined benefit retirement plans have gone the way of the dodo and everyone is on IRAs or 401ks. What they miss is that a Bernie admin would expand social security, boost salaries, and make retirement more accessible to normies. Nobody remembers when things like that were possible. The generation that enjoyed those benefits is either dead, retired or grandfathered into those plans with an FYGM attitude. .
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Feb 7, 2020 20:03
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I’m beginning to lose hope. It feels like the forces arrayed against Bernie are too powerful to be defeated by electoral politics. Especially since the gatekeepers of power and arbiters of the rules are the same people who’s interests Bernie conflicts with. I think Pete will tie or win New Hampshire and it’ll go downhill after Nevada. I don’t have the nerves to deal with this anymore. It feels like schoolyard games where your opponents make up new house rules on the fly when you start winning.
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I've been arzying like crazy since this primary got started but I'm gonna take everyone's advice and take some breaks from this topic where possible. I'm not an American citizen or resident, I'm just emotionally invested in having a world leader even the odds for the little people. I'm known among my co-workers to be a persuasive speaker with the chops to do sales. I have zero fear when it comes to canvassing or making calls. Were it possible for me I would be working for Bernie's campaign with every minute of free time available to me. I'd likely have hit my donation limit by now too. My obsession with Bernie's candidacy comes from a desire to at least right some of the wrongs in the world and prove that we humans can build a more compassionate society in an era of dispassionate capitalism where we are alienated and our sense of self worth is determined by our earning power. I believe that if you hosed up your life with bad financial decisions, you deserve a chance to make that right and get back on your feet. I believe that people who have made mistakes are redeemable. I believe that if you have been hurt, someone should be there to help you. I believe that if you are poor, you deserve a way out of poverty and into a comfortable existence. I believe that talentless bullies who owe their power and positions to nepotism and class advantages shouldn't hold power over those less fortunate than them. I believe that whether or not you're black, muslim, gay, straight, white or trans that we should all be able to help each other, stand up for one another, listen to one another and be loyal to each other in the pursuit of our common well being. I can go on but I'll basically re-state Bernie's platform plus whatever social democratic movement is the flavor of the month. Anyway long story short these matters are incredibly important to me. The older I get the more I realize reality is a loving horror show. I feel like that guy in that movie who finds out Soylent Green is people. I'm gonna make an effort not to chicken little the thread anymore. These primaries aren't over yet. People have won without Iowa and NH. There have been world events where we narrowly avoided Nuclear war because one or two individuals decided to do the right thing. Lets place our confidence in Bernie and his talented campaign staff that they know what they're doing and that it aint over till its over. At the very least it helps the morale of the thread if we maintain a positive attitude rather than adding to the chorus of negativity. Negativity about Bernie's campaign is not productive. It hurts you, and it hurts me and ultimately doesn't do anything to get him elected. So I'll do what I can from my end and talk to Americans I know, spread the message to anyone who will listen and fight the good fight. To you my American friends, I really hope you take this nomination, beat Trump in the general and make the world a better place. If you can't do that, at least try to do it in your city or state. Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Feb 8, 2020 |
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I walked out of that debate firmly believing in a Bernie victory. He didn’t score all the kill shots but he did really well to stay above it all with his image untarnished and his views once more communicated. I think the DNC establishment is running well and truly scared. The writing is on the wall. I really really appreciated the contributions Steyer made to the debate stage. I still don’t understand him, his motivations or his ultimate goal. Like during this debate he served more as a person trying to steer the discussion to key issues like the racial abuses and inequalities America faces and that spurred a lot of productive conversation over topics of how to improve wealth in black communities for example. It’s almost as if some of them were channeling some of Malcom Xs speeches about how black money leaves black communities and enriches white ones. I just don’t see what Steyer hopes to achieve here. He can’t win the nomination, he’s following behind Bernie in his lane giving him layups and backup. His billionaire status will prevent him from having a cabinet post anywhere in the administration. Normally my friendly side would say he could make a decent treasury secretary but then you’re just putting a liberal Mnuchin in charge and it crashes your credibility. Perhaps the end game for Steyer is to replace Dianne Feinstein for senator when she retires?
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Scooter_McCabe posted:So how will Bernie Sanders getting elected suddenly make the house and senate flip to pumping out his polices? Also how does he deal with Mitch McConnell killing every bill he can? He will use his status as the president and his VP to work around the clock in a sort of permanent campaign mode. If congressmen and senators don’t vote for his policies he’ll mobilize all the protestors and people who want these policies to protest and demand yes votes from their representatives. If they continue to say no it will result in primary campaigns against them during the midterms. You can’t kettle, arrest or otherwise subdue protestors if the president is standing with them at the picket lines.
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Feb 9, 2020 22:53
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Luckyellow posted:If Bernie is the nominee, he absolutely will win in a landslide after the economy crash in the summer. It won't crash. The economy is fake, the stock market is fake and money is fake. They can do whatever they loving want because we long stop measuring the economy against things like how many widgets a company can produce or sell. We trade stocks based on speculation and perceived value. We inflate the value of things because people keep buying it because other people buy them. (see Bitcoin and Real estate). Therefore the stock market can continue posting gains and growth and will likely do so well until after Trump is out of office. Once he's out of office it'll crash so the blame sits with Bernie or whoever else becomes president.
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Feb 10, 2020 05:14
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Ice Phisherman posted:Replace the stock market numbers with a human happiness index and an environmental health index both in general and by local region as well as internationally. Then vow to push those numbers up. The economy only being a single part of the happiness index. It's poo poo and I've long despised it. Everyone treats stock market valuations like they're the be all and end all. When the stock market inevitably crashes everyone's gonna fixate on that even if things like real wages are going up and people are enjoying better benefits. There's a lot of work to do to un-gently caress this economy and it requires efforts that need to be sustained well past Bernie's term. Probably more important than a lot of his campaign promises is just the work that will need to be done to remake the Democratic party in his image and to make him an infaliable legend so that nobody breaks from party orthodoxy on things like labour rights, generous pension programs (govt or private via labour regs) and environmental protection to stop climate change. It's a monumental task. I nay-sayed like a motherfucker but I'm convinced Bernie is going to win and what really needs to happen now is to cement that win into lasting progress so we don't just elect a republican 4-8 years from now to undo everything. I'm even thinking that the midterms could be a rout for the democratic party because Bernie will either achieve a lot and then get pushed back or achieve nothing and get an R senate and house to keep him "in check".
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WampaLord posted:Maybe take your own advice and don't pre-worry about 2022 midterms. One fight at a time. Fair, I forget myself sometimes. Either way I'm excited for him to mop up new Hampshire and win Nevada. Are there any Nevada polls out this week?
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Tuning in for the primary. How’s it looking for a Bernie blowout? Is he gonna win it or will he tie with Buttigieg again due to fuckery?
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Feb 11, 2020 19:32
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YESSSSSSSSS I needed this! Lets ride this wave all the way to Miluawkee!
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Propaganda Hour posted:Bernie just jumped ahead by like .20% drat its a loving nailbiter.
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So now we have to convince thousands of union members to stand in front of their union bosses and visibly vote for Bernie Sanders for 2 hours straight at the Nevada caucuses. In a political machine built by Harry Reid with a union leadership hostile to Bernie because M4A makes their healthcare plan irrelevant... Challenge Accepted? Also gently caress Pete. I hope he goes away along with Klobuchar and the other centrist pieces of poo poo out there. How does he get to keep splitting the delegates 50/50 with Bernie all the time? Who the gently caress sees a contrast like Bernie and goes "nah, I'm with Pete"? Like I see it with Klobuchar in the affluent neighborhoods and the rich suburban liberals who don't need what Bernie is selling because they're already doing well. I don't see how Pete fits into all that.
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Pete should've run for president back when I still had my old prime minister. They'd probably get along really well at the G8 parties. https://twitter.com/vicecanada/status/630802288894967808?s=20
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When is Bloomberg going to be put in his place? It seems like all the candidates are letting him run away with the Super Tuesday states and bribing black people to say good things about him and gloss over his racism.
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I’m being mostly facetious here but part of me sometimes wishes Sanders had a “non affiliated” militant group of thugs to bully and physically intimidate all his opponents especially during elections and caucuses because they loving deserve it for all the pain and suffering they’ve caused and continue to do so. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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How do we spread this around in Nevada to counteract the ratfuck? This thread is critically important. We can’t let Culinary get away with rigging Nevada.
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