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Captain Invictus posted:last two days have been immensely busy, this is basically the first time I've had time to check up on this thread and there's 4000 new posts. Last thing I saw was people still bickering about whether it was butt ratfucking the iowa caucus or a ~convenient accident~, but bernie was still looking good. How are things going now? he's probably going to win easily unless SC just gets smashed by biden
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Captain Invictus posted:Do I dare to hope that america might do something right for once? imo its still biden v sanders at this point, biden doing real bad in iowa hurts him quite a bit but isnt a death blow buttigieg is basically a distraction warren just got straight up lost in the jumble of candidates unless she can do really well in NH
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Feb 7, 2020 11:44
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bernie was doomed to not win in 2016 for a variety of reasons but lack of an actual campaign and ground game wasn't one of them, both of which pete doesn't have in races going forward he is looking to get a bump in NH post-iowa for his tie split with sanders but he wasn't even 2nd place in NH pre-iowa so its yet to be seen if buttmentum can make anything of that but we'll find out soon!
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Feb 7, 2020 12:02
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icantfindaname posted:IMO Nevada's going to be very important, as it seems to me like the only place the centrists will really be able make a last stand against Bernie before he wins Super Tuesday in a landslide. I understand NV has close to a model Democratic Party machine built on the Las Vegas service workers unions and led by Harry Reid, and I get the feeling he'll be given the job of ratfucking Bernie and making sure either Rat Man or Biden stays viable through March 3. They'll also have longer to organize after NH and more room for the media to shape the narrative, almost 2 weeks, than they've had with the trainwreck this week. If Warren is going to drop out, it makes sense for her to do it in that span and endorse Rat Man or Biden to boost them going into Nevada. The Final Boss might just be Reid, not Bloomberg i really don't get these histrionics because bernie is consistently been strong in polling for nevada and its going to take some real earth shattering upsets to possibly upend that which could happen, but i think iowa just makes biden weaker though things are still possible
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Feb 7, 2020 12:34
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Ague Proof posted:"Get Brexit Done" also played on people's exhaustion of politics. It was a promise that whatever you thought about Brexit, you would never have to hear it 5 times a day every day again. You wouldn't have to be bombarded by daily politics and have to keep track of the byzantine and annoyingly close Parliamentary votes. (This was of course a lie) at least sanders has actual favorable polling unlike corbyn
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Feb 7, 2020 14:15
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unless things go absolute poo poo creek in the next month seems like bernie will win which, if you're a bernie supporter, should be the most important thing to focus on
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Feb 7, 2020 14:16
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Gripweed posted:Yeah people were just flat out ignoring the fact that everybody in the UK hated Corbyn. And that his overly complicated solution to the most pressing political issue wasn't very persuasive compared to his opponents single sentence solution. The situations aren't comparable at all. im not even a thread regular thats spent the past three years hyping how bernie cannot fail only be failed, definitely going to win he's got the polling, he's got the fundraising, he's got competitive endorsements, he did well in iowa and likely to do good in NH and SC and beyond just show a little conviction bernie or bust gangtaggers
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Feb 7, 2020 14:29
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it is pretty disappointing that a bunch of qualified candidates, who i didn't really want to be president *but still all ended up bowing out long before iowa and its the guy no one heard of or likes that got second place in iowa they definitely put in their time and mayor pete just kind of shows up out of nowhere and it is kind of bullshit especially since his platform is nothing
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Feb 7, 2020 14:42
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kidkissinger posted:i love how it's entirely people who have made long twitter threads about white privilege who are backing him too also they were all POC, who, (harris, booker, castro, etc) had faults at least had long public service careers and positions and pete's staying power seems to mostly be little to no government service, say nothing, taken money from anyone and be white
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Feb 7, 2020 14:55
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u brexit ukip it posted:I would add to this that UK Labour tried to adopt a compromise, conciliatory stance on Brexit and was generally the only party/organisation even trying to do this. However, any other stance would still have cost them votes, just different ones. Labour's voters were inherently split on the issue so it was really a choice of 'which core demographic will we lose'. well lost either way so i guess not the right choice but thats for a different thread
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Feb 7, 2020 15:02
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fortunately sanders biggest concern aka referendum is just beating trump not whether you are secretly maybe sort of supporting the policy proposal your opposing party came up with that the country is divided on and now youre trying to figure out how to thread that needle so he'll probably be fine
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Feb 7, 2020 15:07
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V. Illych L. posted:sanders is in a good position to do as he doesn't have to answer for the actions of a big and very hostile institution lol but yes he's in a far better set up than corbyn which isnt saying much as he's still probably hosed post-inauguration
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Feb 7, 2020 15:11
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FRINGE posted:So weird. yeah hes astroturfed to poo poo im aware of this that was my point
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Feb 7, 2020 15:17
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V. Illych L. posted:to put it this way: when labour party people tried to gently caress corbyn, that was credibly spun as corbyn's fault for mismanaging his party. when they try to gently caress sanders, he can point out that he's not even a member of their stupid party. the DNC being incompetent isn't something that can be pinned on sanders because he's still manifestly an outsider to that institution, which corbyn wasn't by the end this isn't how things are going to play out either way, in terms of party dynamics not being comparable but also if there was the idea sanders could just say well, i wasn't even one of them really! not flying cause thats a fantasy but sanders problems in a potential general arent comparable to corbyns huge mess of gently caress ups so i think he'll be fine
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Feb 7, 2020 15:21
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if you ever have to ask yes the answer is to calm down grouchio
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Feb 7, 2020 18:03
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VH4Ever posted:Yeah hasn't it been pointed out again and again that most polls are way oversampling olds which aren't Bernie's core voter groups? Which would explain how much worse Biden did in Iowa vs his poll numbers. i think it's just when push comes to shove people just aren't actually feeling Biden
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Feb 7, 2020 18:58
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Mahoning posted:He knows his X’s and O’s with regards to economics, even if he is a little more old school, but if he steps even a centimeter outside of pure economics he is absolutely dogshit. his job is economics, op
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Feb 14, 2020 05:04
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HootTheOwl posted:Didn't Krugman write a whole book on how conventional wisdom is bullshit and you should look at data but then all his articles on politics keep falling back on conventional wisdom and not data? not that im aware of as he's more a model driven guy than a Big Data guy which is more of a thing in like the past ten years there is of course no way to objectively study politics though unless were talking the rigors of scientific communism
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Feb 14, 2020 05:22
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Djarum posted:Well M4A is already incredibly popular if Bernie wins and if you are a Democrat that is responsible for not passing it I can guarantee that there will be a bullseye on you in the next election. are you serious
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Feb 23, 2020 11:16
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"dems are as a party incredibly untrustworthy for progressive reform" alongside "maybe we'll get some GOP on our side" is definitely some whiplash that was not happening before trump and do not expect if he's elected out the gop just stops being bad faith actors (because they were before)
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Feb 23, 2020 11:25
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oh its that guy
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Feb 23, 2020 12:05
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V. Illych L. posted:democratic primary voters include a large cadre of party loyalists who will basically do what they're told by the party structure via endorsements etc. A democratic primary is the only contest imaginable where affiliation with the democratic party brand is a positive. this will not be the case in a general election, because nobody likes the democratic party. this is all wrong i think and that you probably don't have a good lay of the land
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Mar 5, 2020 11:31
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:"THE VIRUS ISNT REAL ITS ALL A HOAX!!" I scream over my giant Costco cart overflowing with toilet paper and hand sanitizer well well look at this fat cat that actually has toilet paper
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Mar 12, 2020 10:33
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Somfin posted:Like, being afraid of Trump, I understand, I genuinely do. i think that line is somewhere around bloomberg had won the nomination
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Apr 28, 2020 07:50
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Apogee15 posted:Also how does the economy look like for the month prior to the election? I think those will be the two biggest factors. i think its going to be real loving bad
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Apr 30, 2020 17:48
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Epic High Five posted:turnout among the youth and progressives was up, it's just that turnout among the olds and chuds and Epstein lovers was up even more. They don't like Biden so much as they saw that their kids were fired up and ready to change the world so they turned out in a panic to stop that from happening. It's their prime and often singular drive and constitutes their entire ideology. i think its more dem turnout among all demos was super high motivated on basically voting for anyone as we similarly saw in 2018
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3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:Christine O'Donnell is not a witch. yeah i had a short circuit for a moment there too of wait, where have i heard that name before
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