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I wasn't sure how much more election chat the USPOL mods were going to take, so to expound on my thoughts about Biden: I don't think it's a selfish decision to refuse to vote for Biden. In fact, all the groups marginalized under Trump - immigrants, women, LGBTQ+ - are one reason why I won't support Biden. I don't believe he has either the willingness or the ability to change anything meaningfully for those groups. He's spent his 45+ year career harming those groups because he seems to believe that "reaching across the aisle" and  are more important than doing good.The past four years have shown how rotten America is to its core, and I want those problems to be fixed. Biden offers no solutions to those problems or even a willingness to fix them; just empty platitudes and nostalgia for a 2009-2017 that never existed. It sucks that this election is such a Kobayashi Maru that we have to choose between a narcissistic toddler and a doddering old man, but I don't think we have to limit ourselves to that binary choice.
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Enigma89 posted:Any Sander supporters still think a win is possible? I've pretty much given up all hope. I don't know. Probably not, but I agree with people who say that covid-19 has introduced a lot of uncertainty/unpredictability. Knowing Bernie, though, he'll probably bow out soon for the sake of being "nice".
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Condiv posted:sorry, i'm really worked up and angry at the democrats for this double standard of care they've been exhibiting wrt the coronavirus pandemic, so I lashed out Same here. I don't know how much of it can be explained as quarantine, but I went from being upset about Super Tuesday and extremely unenthusiastic about Biden to hating his guts in a few weeks. I'm in a place now where I can't wait for Trump to be gone but I want to see the Democratic party lose because I despise them. I'm probably going to take a break from politics for a while and watch an episode of MST3K or something.
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Apr 8, 2020 15:49
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Work will never be done in this country. I agree. The movement was always bigger than Sanders, and as someone else pointed out: he was never going to be the strong fighter we needed. But the only way to get the change we need is to burn the system to the loving ground, starting with the DNC. Incidentally, is the Green party running a candidate this year? I'd even go for Gary "Aleppo" Johnson at this point.
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Apr 8, 2020 16:54
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Biden previously called ideas like these "pie in the sky", but now he thinks throwing us crumbs is going to entice us to vote for him. Why should we believe him?
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Apr 9, 2020 20:51
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Trump is a symptom. Getting rid of him will not fix the underlying problems that led to Donald Trump becoming president. If you want to eliminate the deep rot that led to Donald Trump becoming president, you have to fix those problems. Biden won't do that because he's unwilling and unable to do anything other than "reach across the aisle" to his "good friends" on the Republican side and serve his corporate masters. I will not vote for that rapist.
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Apr 13, 2020 21:51
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How are u posted:So we'll start fixing those problems by hoping Trump gets another 4 years to run roughshod over the poor and vulnerable? And AOC will sweep in in 2024 (after 4 more years of Trump judges + a 7/3 Conservative SC) and usher in True Socialism? Neither. I'm just pointing out how utterly bankrupt it is to focus entirely on "beating Trump" to the exclusion of everything else. The policy prescription the left agitates for are too important to keep being told "Now's not the time; better wait another four years" by a corporate establishment party that has no interest in implementing them.
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Apr 13, 2020 21:58
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ManBoyChef posted:we have two corporate owned right wing parties. One just happens to have a veneer of sanity to it. They will never pass any progressive policies that might help people like me have a little comfort in their lives because that would take a small amount of money away from people that can afford to be active in politics. After a couple decades of learning this lesson I am completely at a loss and I don't think I can actually change anything even if I vote for a progressive candidate in the primary. I feel the same way. The current system has to change or be destroyed before real change happens: capital has been extremely successful at closing off possible avenues of change so that we're boxed in to voting for a do-nothing corporate empty suit, a "no hope" third party, or not voting at all. I'm personally going Green Party, but I understand people who are reluctant to do that because they don't think a Green candidate can win.
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Apr 13, 2020 22:24
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ImpAtom posted:The Green Party's problem is less that it can't win and more than most the candidates are awful people with lovely policies once you actually look beyond them being a third party choice. mcmagic posted:Don't vote for the Green party in federal elections. It's not a real party and their only candidates are cranks making vanity runs. They aren't even trying to be a real third party. Leave the line blank before you vote for the Green party. Thanks for letting me know. I don't actually know too much about the Greens except that they were blamed (falsely) for giving us Dubya. ManBoyChef posted:im pretty much just not going to vote in that election anymore and I am only going to vote for actual progressives downballot. I just can't do it anymore. Getting my hopes up only to be put in the same bullshit position of voting for the lesser of two evils is just too soulcrushing. I'd rather just not be involved. Especially when you're voting for the lesser of two rapists, which is a lovely position to be in regardless of the incumbent. Either way, we're not going to get the change we need.
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Apr 13, 2020 22:37
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Biden said "trust the science" when it came to sending out Wisconsinites to vote and only walked it back after he had benefited from the primary. It may not be literally true that they were plotting to kill voters off, but that was the effect. This and liberal feminists jettisoning MeToo when it becomes inconvenient are two things I won't ever forgive the Dem establishment for, and why the impasse between me and people who want me to vote for Biden (not directed at Greyjoy but to neoliberals) is intractable. The Democratic party is bankrupt and not worth my support.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:55
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ManBoyChef posted:I have come to the realization that I am too good a person to be in this party. I just can't vote for a rapist. I actually want people to have healthcare. This is just a rich persons club and I feel like im not invited I'm in the same place. I was upset after Super Tuesday results started to trickle in, and I've only grown more disgusted as they've managed our expectations for change, pushed leftists out, and co-opted the GOP Kavanaugh playbook to defend Biden's rape. Regardless of whether I've "reasoned myself" into a position or not, I'm through with the Democrats and will never vote for Biden.
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Apr 28, 2020 22:47
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How are u posted:https://www.axios.com/joe-biden-trump-coronavirus-memo-e467bc02-c212-4eda-95e4-9132420fa37a.html This is weak sauce. It's a lot of words that say nothing and don't present a real alternative to anything Trump is doing.
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Apr 29, 2020 00:48
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The Democrats learned their lesson after Kavanaugh: when dealing with a rapist candidate, close ranks and deny, deny, deny. Odds are that the news cycle will move on or the corporate media will enable sweeping rape under the rug and you'll get away with it.
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Apr 29, 2020 02:26
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misadventurous posted:That’s such a dumb gamble for them though lol the media is in love with the presidency horserace and will keep bringing it up. And Kavanaugh didn’t have an active opponent who’s defined mostly by his refusal to shut up and never let any occasion to make a personal dig. Completely different dynamic, the odds are stacked against the Democrats. This is why I buy the take that they don’t ultimately care about winning, it’s that or they’re the dumbest motherfuckers alive and neither inspires confidence That and I think Democrats pay a higher price for their hypocrisy since people expect lovely behavior from Republicans, but Democrats are supposed to be the party of "believing women" (who weren't raped by a leading Democratic candidate).
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Apr 29, 2020 02:38
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Grooglon posted:but not voting for Joe Biden is not some kind of magic bullet that absolves you from participating in a sexist society, and in turn voting for him is not the same as slapping an 'I <3 rape' sticker on your jacket. Women have had to plug their noses and vote for the gropey rear end in a top hat who is least likely to gently caress and gently caress over their daughters for .. well, ever since we got the right to vote. If we want the problem of powerful men raping women and getting away with it, we can start by not voting for rapists. It's not going to immediately solve the problem but it's far preferable to holding my nose for a rapist that supports absolutely none of my values (including not raping women). F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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"I respect the Me Too movement but". Never let a pesky rape allegation get in the way of that corporate gravy train. I have to part ways with most of the USPOL thread on this. I'll never be swayed to vote for Biden on the Tara Reade allegations alone. That's not even getting into the baggage of his extremely lovely four decade record.
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