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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Grouchio posted:

WHO ARE YOU

Bowser Jr

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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ArbitraryC posted:

Funny thing about this one is as a literal 90's kid I remember the whole 1/32nd native american already being a joke in highschool about people trying to game college applications, and particularly cherokee was the goto punchline as a tribe literally everyone would recognize. It's amazing to me that someone would still be standing by that in 20XX as a full grown adult, I mean she was what, in her 50's when I was 15? There's no way she didn't know better, kids too young to drive saw through that poo poo. It was so dead before I even went to college that I doubt it's a joke now because the trope was so played out.

A lot of older politicians basically mentally froze at a certain age and are incapable of processing that things can be seen differently, especially if they've lived in bubbles of privilege all their lives.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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It's still a long weird game between swinging voters, ratfucking, cheating, momentum and bullshit. The polls are all over the place but seem to be desperately trying to hide Bernie's numbers being positive.

Still reckon that Biden is a dead man walking in the long run- he has a long history of managing to do in primaries what Democrats usually wait until the general to do: snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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gandlethorpe posted:

It still blows my mind that Obama picked ol' Uncle Joe as his VP after he said some racist poo poo packaged in a compliment. Like he couldn't have picked literally anyone else?

Biden was an assurance to the old white guys that he wasn't really going to do anything silly like give people health care or hold police accountable or stop starting wars.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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And that was generally credibly credited to Corbyn failing to articulating a coherent position on the primary politician issue of the day. Bernie has no equivalent.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Biden absolutely eating poo poo no matter how you splice it seems like good news in any case.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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CubanMissile posted:

Bernie's people were absolutely ready for this and only had up to 40% reporting by the time Pete declared himself winner. So I'm wondering if he did that based on any numbers at all, like 15%, or did he just say gently caress it and declare without even looking at anything?

Pete 100% expected the fix to be in.

Dems are brutally incompetent and think we are incredibly stupid.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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The knives are absolutely out for Butt from everyone now, though. Not a hard sell to Warren and Klob supporters that they're ratfucking the women for the white guy.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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It would explain a lot about Pete's attitude that he intended to gain momentum by rigging the vote and expecting a servile media and :decorum: poisoned opponents to let him get away with it. And it all fell apart because they are huge idiots who think they're the smartest people in the world and we're all idiots, and couldn't even make an app that worked long enough to get the fix in.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Nosre posted:

Fair enough, I'll take your guys' word on Nevada. Caucuses are a relic.

If they ARE actually trying similar stuff in favor of Pete (of all people), though, I can't see it working. This isn't 2016 with a dominant party favorite; every spotlight in the world is on it, and Pete is going to come out looking like poo poo and Sanders even more energized

Again: They are stupid, and think we are really stupid.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Eminai posted:

Organize, you nerd. It can be the IWW or the DSA or the Extinction Rebellion or one of a hundred different groups, getting together with other leftists in person and doing poo poo to make the world better is a great cure for the existential dread that comes from following news related to the Democratic party. Also you'll be doing poo poo to make the world better, which is nice.

Extinction Rebellion is 100% cops for the record

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Civilized Fishbot posted:

The votes and delegates coming out of Iowa are both too miniscule to matter, all that matters is how the media reports it, and the media's reported it as "it's a shirshow." It might as well be a six-way tie

I do get the impression this sums it up.The question is though: Are they going to try to pull this poo poo again?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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I was right, they're going to just cancel primaries they can't rig for the rest of the year. It'll be down to pulling fire alarms and throwing the ballot boxes into the sea if they have to.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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my bony fealty posted:

Harris really jumped the gun I think. After Obama got away with being a Senator for a few years she probably thought she could too, but turns out Obama was a once-in-a-generation type of candidate and she's just uninspiring and boring. Meh.

Thing is it turned out it was actually way too late for Kamala, because the entire political resume she had spent her life building turned out to be nothing but liabilities as the narrative on crime and punishment completely flipped, especially for black voters.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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The thing is they've made this a suspense tale now and everyone's going to want to tune in for the finale

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Electric Bugaloo posted:

Pete has a core of gay support localized entirely around white dudes who have a list of ten reasons ready to go for why they don't date men of color


If this were Star Trek: Discovery, one character would say to nobody in particular, "That's what I call logistics, BITCH" because the people running Star Trek are soulless CBS ghoul monsters

Kinda funny given DS9 implies that logistics is basically one of the reasons the Federation wins wars when it's not deus ex machinas

Also canonically in Warhammer (either one) the logistics freaks win wars handily

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Electric Bugaloo posted:

Well, you go and--you go and kiss a butterfly goodnight, then in the morning there's a snake in your bed and it's telling you--it's telling you you've lost Iowa. Well that's just a lot of malarkey, I says--I says to the snake. Now maybe if you don't like it you can go ahead and vote for Bernie, if you think that's going to solve your problems. Mr.--Mr Snake. See, I was just in bed with my lovely wife here. She's a schoolteacher you know. But I run a malarkey-free campaign. You know, back when I was a young man I used to run a malarkey-free swimming pool. They used to call me Spaghetti on account of my leg hairs. You ever see--you ever see leg hairs on a man like these, Mr. Snake?

Snake? Snake?! SNAAAAAAAKE!

Though then again Biden's more likely to go 'I need scissors! 61!'

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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A conspiracy doesn't have to be elaborate or competent.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Nix Panicus posted:

Trump keeps playing up how unfair the democrats are being to Bernie, between calling him a crazy socialist, of course. It feels like Trump is trying to push Bernie as the best way to fracture the democrats for the easiest re-election bid, the same way Hillary covertly supported Trump.

Its going to go about as well

A lot of that is because he has the same problem as the centrists- attacking Sanders directly doesn't work because they know it just makes them look bad, and they only have a handful of the same tired old excuses to fall back on. So they go after the vulnerable targets to not look weak.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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BioMe posted:

It was a loving soft ball. He remembered enough about the statistics to know in pure numbers the possession arrests fell slightly, even if far more on the white side. Any competent politician should be able to spin that, isn't he lab grown to handle this poo poo? "As mayor I took all available measures to ensure SBDP would ease off on unnecessary possession arrests, as this practice treats our black communities more unfairly than anyone. And the raw numbers do not lie, my efforts were successful". Then just reiterate fewer blacks were arrested during your time than before if there's a follow up.

But he just can't help but to start visibly sweating and dig himself deeper when race comes up.

They literally never expected this and don't know how to handle it, the same reason Harris crashed and burned

They'll never understand why black people aren't grateful for bill clinton's crime bill

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

If it isn't an app perhaps its a shortcut to some website or something, which seems not much better, or they are just stupid and think everyone else is stupid too.

Correction: They are stupid and think they are brilliant and that everyone else is stupid.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Craptacular! posted:

I just want to say that while I don’t like Pete because he speaks in platitudes and vision statements that almost never address the issue at hand, there is a purpose behind his campaign organization that is being discounted. The guy can not expect the donations of the lower classes, or the votes of any stipe of church.

Even though my income puts me more in the same side of the class war with blue collar plumbers and the like, I gravitate socially to people with more education and far more income than I do. The are usually less likely to hate me. That’s not to excuse Pete’s vapid speeches or the problems in his city. It’s that I’d expect any gay candidate to hold pricey fundraisers in the hills. The elites aren’t as devout to the Old Testament.

Those 'elites' will let you die in a ditch to make a dime off your corpse.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Pook Good Mook posted:

I've read multiple stories that the media "elites" are loving obsessed with Twitter.

I'm not surprised. We've seen how addictive social media is, and that the media class are basically stuck in the stage of being catty teenagers forever. Twitter is basically crack to them.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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The whole 'You need to vote for openly corrupt elite tokens to protect you from the dirty poor racist hordes' narrative has always been bullshit, and demonstrably failed with nonwhite voters already, as Harris learned the hard way. Everyone knows that they got where they are by selling out vulnerable people over and over again, because that's the traditional path to power in American politics.

Pete and Harris both built their entire brand about being the acceptable token to well-off white people that makes them feel good and have an excuse to say they can't be bigoted. It's the 'I would have voted for Obama a third time if I could' people from Get Out.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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It's been pretty clear in the last few years that money has diminishing returns in internet-age politics, and there's a point where even from a 'pragmatic' standpoint the demands made by billionaire donors- and those are demands- are actively counterproductive to any benefit that money can give you. Look at Warren, who couldn't even maintain the kayfabe of a fake progressive for a single primary without the donors demanding she back away from giving people something that they want and would materially benefit from.

The chickens are coming home to roost with the post-70s New Democrats alignment, where they have absolutely nothing to materially offer anyone anymore and they've run out of platitudes to the people they actually need to win elections, and it's already clear that the constant appeals to 'suburban moderates' they have focused their entire campaigns on have produced absolutely no results as they're all fervent Trump fanatics.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Inferior Third Season posted:

You do if you want to launch a campaign for the presidency with no national name recognition. You need to have or have access to a large pool of money to be taken seriously. There are really only three sources of this money - you are a billionaire and are self-financing, you are being funded by a small number of wealthy donors through the dark money superPAC system or from the party itself, or you have hundreds of thousands of small grassroots donors. Buttigieg is not a billionaire and doesn't have the right policies or reputation to get hundreds of thousands of small donors, and he was not the party establishment candidate at the beginning, leaving dark money as his only option to get a seat at the table.

I'm not saying it's right, but it was his only way to have a chance at succeeding.

You say 'the right policies and reputation' like they're an incidental thing. Well, reputation can be, but policy is not. And it's part of the liberal disease to treat 'policies' as a ephemeral trivia that no one really cares about, especially since it's been demonstrably proven wrong over and over.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Wall Street making GBS threads itself over a Sanders presidency seems really easy to call what it is; 'The rich are throwing a tantrum because they might have to pay their taxes'.

Some have theorised a capital strike in response, which seems very likely to backfire as people are people are starting to realise that 'the economy' doesn't include them, and a President and administration whose highest priority isn't coddling the egos of rich manchildren throwing their toys out the pram.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

I thought the Gundam was for Ilhan Omar?



Put Bernie in a Dreadnought

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Ice Phisherman posted:

Oh poo poo, is that the one written by Brian Herbert?

Now he's gone too far.

There's a lot of failson Dune books and they're all loving garbage for people with no taste

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Ice Phisherman posted:

The original Dune got weird though near the end. Remember in book...I want to say four, five? Where they had those women who dominated men with sex and ruled this horrible empire through it? Evil Bene Geserit or something. Eviler?

Or how the god emperor was basically a huge worm who shat magic cinnamon?

Dune was great, but it just got weirder and weirder as time went on.

Yes, that's what everyone loves about it. But the failson's books are a drop off a cliff in quality.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Yeah, there's no real opposition to Trump within the Republican tent- they are baying for America's Next Top Fascist.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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I remember a lady on twitter who seemed to refuse to get that 'republican' has very different historical connotations in Ireland than it does in America.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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The only way Bloomberg even gets nominated is blatant ratfucking that will destroy Democrat turnout even before you get into his total lack of appeal.

I'd joked before that, at best, his third party run would only take votes from Trump.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Phenotype posted:

So maybe this is a better discussion for the main pol thread, but I've always thought abortion is one of the things where this country will never be able to reach a common ground, and unlike most terrible conservative issues I can actually see the other side's point of view. If you're a non-ghoul pro-lifer, it's because you believe life starts at conception and that abortion is literally murder. And I can't really fault them, if that's their religious belief. "I'm sorry you aren't ready to raise a child, but we can't commit murder," or even "I'm sorry you were raped, but we can't commit murder." There's no way to reconcile that with pro-choice short of Jesus coming down from the mountain and saying "Actually, kids don't get a soul until they're 3 years old, it's totally fine to abort them until then."

Is there a "compromise" that can be made by outlawing abortion but giving stipends to new parents, offering state-run childcare, increasing maternity leave, overhauling the adoption system, and generally creating a social safety net so that raising (or giving up) an unexpected child isn't such a burden? How would pro-choice advocates feel about a plan to outlaw abortion but making a clear path to a nurturing home for any unwanted children?

(I am pro-choice myself, but I'm male and obviously don't have a lot of insight into the feelings on either side.)

'Pro-lifers' will scream bloody murder at every single one of these things and call them godless communism.

Spice World War II posted:

There is no compromise to be made because religious doctrine does not trump actual facts and the woman involved most definitely is a human being with rights, and the fetus is not. So you do not take away the rights of the woman to placate the religious beliefs of uninvolved parties


GlyphGryph posted:

The number of non-ghoul pro-lifers is very very small and most of them are perfectly happy working to reduce the number of abortions via sex ed and other policies that reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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I think Klobb got a boost from people who really want a woman in the white house but can see Warren's ship is sinking.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Is anyone NOT going to believe that Bloomberg is just transparently trying to buy the election?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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TheDisreputableDog posted:

It just seems weird that a non-Bernie supporter itt gets banned for being anti-queer for using the term “purple hair” while the wokest of the left call the gay guy “MAYOR BUTTS LOL!!!”

'Purple hair' is a nazi dogwhistle, and butts are funny.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Bernie's VP pick is 100% going to be a leftie deterrent to impeachment or... 'removal'. Nina Turner seems likely. (also being a black woman is a huge plus, obv)

He's got no reason to bother with 'party unity' since the establishment is going to be despising him just the same anyway.


mcmagic posted:


There is something REALLY wrong in the CBC.

Bloomberg's throwing around the bribes desperately.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Bernie's whole thing is the old rules don't apply, 'qualifications' are bullshit, politics is total war and Democrats are delusional to treat it like a gentleman's game, especially since they're openly cheating at it.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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The big gulp ban is the dumbest poo poo because it's literally everything people hate about liberalism; actively intrusive actual nanny-state bullshit built around punishing the people for the bad habits corporations foist onto them rather than actually doing anything that tangibly benefits anyone or punishes predatory corporations.

It's literally just wanting to gently caress with people because you think you're better than they are, and absolutely the same mentality as stop-and-frisk.

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