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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Wrong question imo. How good and comfortable and privileged must your life be to support Pete? How aware of the problems with this country must you be, and how callous must you be to them, to just not give a poo poo and vote for some dweeb doing his best Obama impression while offering absolutely fuckall and spewing platitudes and gibberish? I think he means in the karmic sense and not the material sense Son of Thunderbeast posted:Morally yes, materially no yeah!
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skeleton warrior posted:Honest question: if Warren were at 25% and Bernie were at 9%, would you be implying that Bernie was a traitor to the left for staying in the race? Or would you be explaining why Bernie was the more legitimate left candidate with better ideas and plans and therefore he should remain in the race as long as there was a shot? i've only put a little thought into this, but i think a good question to you might be: if all of the candidates were the same as Bernie in their positions and records and such, would people be as vitriolic toward those candidates?
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Arabian Jesus posted:Holy this is incredible you clearly meant "fantastic" 
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Mr Hootington posted:VP choices never help a campaign. They have only hindered. I can't help but feel like it would help Bernie in particular because of the "he's 78 and just had a heart attack" point that some people love to make. I mean, living past 78 is definitely not unheard of, but I think it would assuage that particular fear that some people have. Stepping into those shoes, I feel like if he were to fall ill, or retire back to his old job of dragging the sun across the sky, it would be nice to know that not all would be lost to chaos. Rainbow Knight fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Feb 12, 2020 |
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Karia posted:To what extent does Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail accurately portray what a brokered convention would be like? Are we talking delegates getting blackmailed into voting for candidates? short answer is yes, probably. Pull out all the stops. Every favor. Every secret. Desperate times call for etc
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I listened to the Chapo episode today where they made fun of conservative comic artists and I thought it would be funny to see some sort of left-wing lovely equivalent of Ben Garrison yes friend but where are all the labels? how do i know that's trump is getting owned by the banana of socialism if there are no labels?!?!
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DrSunshine posted:Somebody please give me a good reason to hope. The presidency doesn't matter and neither does this horse race. People say that at the very least him winning would be an indicator of where the country wants to go, but really we've already made it very clear where we want to go. Democratic Socialism is a thing now. People are going to start participating more in making things happen imo. Local elections will become a thing, and if a mass movement of individuals is the key to a leftist movement, then I argue that so too does a lot of smaller government bodies working towards a leftist goal. The thing I hope for is the opportunity to do better. Whether that's by way of the party righting itself or us demolishing them and making way for something better is up to them.
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idk you guys I'm actually super pumped right now because the democratic party loses no matter what and I'm ready for something new to take it's place and it's either going to be Bernie in charge or me. I know for a fact that I'm a better person than all those weirdos who pay consultants more in a year than I'll make in 100 so I'm ready to take over me is also you just fyi because we are family and comrades 
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FizFashizzle posted:I bet Biden tries to get the March 15th debate cancelled, especially if it's just him and Sanders. I think Bernie would have to own Biden harder than Harris did in order to really come away from something like that as a clear winner. Which is possible, but at that point if someone is rooting for Biden then they are ride or die imo
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Nail Rat posted:loving centrists on FB would blame "toxic bernie bros" for Biden losing the general to Trump. and they'd be right and when tomorrows leftists look back for inspiration they'll know exactly who put the stake through the hearts of him and his friends
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Drunk Driver Dad posted:What is the best way to respond to that(bernie bros causing a more centrist candidate losing to trump) argument anyway? "why wouldn't a centerist win against trump?" segue that into a discussion about people wanting a better world instead of going back to a time that led to Trump in the first place
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Crows Turn Off posted:So Sanders is going to underperform tomorrow. Based on nothing but Biden's positive press the past couple days and the fewer candidates, I think Sanders may even lose TX. gonna need some more bloodlust out of you comrade. either you fight or you don't. think about a week from now. will you have spent time trying to make things better for yourself and the people you care about, or not? what's the choice?
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So has anyone thought that maybe instead of abstaining from voting instead voting for the CPUSA candidate?
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Herewaard posted:No because in the dem primary thread we discuss the dem primary and not strategic voting or whatever later on oh yeah that's right. sorry thread my bad!
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PerniciousKnid posted:Unless that stands for Constitution Party they aren't on the ballot in my state. communist party. but yeah its general election poo poo so never mind!
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I just realized that a good argument against Sanders being unelectable is to point out that Ilhan Omar, AOC, and Rashida Tliab are all Democratic Socialists and everyone loves them so people should fuckin stuff it
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I'm really not able to grasp how everything has gotten so depressing for you guys so quickly. Nothing has changed since the beginning but now you're getting all bummed out. e: whatever. I'm saying what a bunch of people are saying but the best thing for everyone is positivity, right?
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Please don't get mad at me for posting cringe, but I think you guys are getting too hopeless because you've become to hopeful. Who was the hope and change guy? Obama. Did he do the thing? Nope. Now we have Bernie. He's the "get mad and take the agency in your lives" guy and is he going to do the thing? Let's say yes. Let's say he does a bang up job and at the end of his term the world is a better place. At least we all hope so. But that's the thing with hope. You're believing that something good will happen. That's not enough though. You have to make it happen. People are already doing that in this primary and those people aren't going away ever. We're not just getting mad and taking action. We're familiarizing ourselves with taking action. Next election when it's Buttigieg trying to primary Bernie Sanders all those people are going to slide right back into that place where they're going to go knock on doors or talk to their families or get to the front lines of the posting warzone or whatever. It's going to become the normal thing to do. In the same way that hope hasn't lead to anything good, hopelessness has the exact same control over events. So imo it's better to forego it entirely and focus on the next move you're going to make. Realize the control that you have imo
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Majorian posted:I agree with at least the core of this. I think hope is an incredibly powerful, important part of our strategy as leftists. But it has to have follow-through, and if Bernie doesn't keep pushing for what we elected him to fight for, we need to hold him accountable. We (for the most part) didn't do that with Obama, and that is why we failed. As you say, we need to make taking political action outside of voting a regular part of our lives. A lot of us are already well on the way to doing that. Some of us need to work more on it, myself included. But we need to make political action something that all American leftists and progressives make a regular, active part of their lives. I just mean that hope hasn't or won't ever really do anything on its own. I mean, yeah it can be a motivator, but so to can anger or a competitive spirit or pride. I think right now people should obviously be angry about our situations and the abuse we deal with and the only thing to oppose that is good vibes and open hearts which is also very useful and good. I love you guys though
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eeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhh something about this seems off. I'm not letting my optimism go crazy, but a poll released at the end of the day that says "Oh wow looks like after SC people thought "Hey maybe Biden is a viable candidate guess I like him more than Sanders"" is a little unbelievable. I'm going to call bullshit
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World Famous W posted:Also
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So how much of a boost will Bernie get when he names Marianne Williamson as his VP choice?
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So what's the next thing to look forward to comrades?
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The North Tower posted:AOC vs Pete 2024 I hope Pete becomes the Biden of our generation and loses every single presidential election he enters Propaganda Hour posted:Death! No! 
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Couldn't believe my ears today when one of my coworkers who is also our union liaison said he voted for Bloomberg because he could beat Trump. I'm like, "He's doing horribly" and he's all, "We need a moderate to run against Trump and Bernie isn't going to be able to do it." I left it at that because I really wasn't sure if he was being serious or not. God drat though, you have got to be way outside of your own mind to think that Bloomberg even has the slightest chance of getting the nomination.
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I'm still excited for this race though you guys. Like, I'm not worried at all and I think it's because I just got a text from our union about a $.55 raise which apparently will be followed by another one next year, all do to the fighting we did in renegotiating our contract. Sure it's nowhere near enough money to live, but I'm still riding that high of succeeding at a thing that workers should do. Since Sanders is trying to get a workers party movement into power, I think about it like that same fight. And the real key is that workers have soooooooo much more power than they think. In our renegotiation, it was an 11th hour victory and we basically put on the table the offer that we either get what we want or our country-wide company employer loses a huge HUGE chunk of profits and forfeits the most populous state in the union after New York. Obviously, I feel like the parallel is that as a left wing of a party we have the power to put forth the option that either the party plays fair or the whole thing burns down and they lose their "business" and probably everything else. From there we invest in our own party that will slowly win over their constituents. The last few decades the Democratic Party has been trying to spread right to get the votes, and has left The Left to rot, and now we're ready to split.  y'all edit: why in gods name would they have you killing sweet German Shepards in Wolfenstein? They're like the best dogs Rainbow Knight fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Mar 5, 2020 |
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So I am a Bernie supporter, and I've never called anyone "cuck" or "normie" or "liz lad" or "bernie bro" or "boomer" or any of that. I know the internet is full of teachable moments that are usually used as an excuse to shame people, but I don't perpetuate that. I have a sneaking suspicion that my stance is actually a lot more common and people are buying way too heavily into the idea that people are uncooperative assholes by default instead of generally agreeable by default. Maybe you some of you guys agree? Maybe the whole debate on who is the worse group of people is, oh gee idk, endless? Who's with me, comrades?
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kidkissinger posted:I don't think any of us talk to normies the way we do to dipshits on donut twitter. Code switching is completely normal and I'm never going to stop making GBS threads on these people. Warmachine posted:In meatspace? Sure. Crumbskull posted:To even engage with the toxic supporter narrative is to cede the field of debate to a totally idiotic spectacle enraptured point of view, imo. ah HA but you see we are in disagreement but none of you have told me to  therefore you are agreeable folk by default.I mean, it's probably also because I didn't say "Bernie Bros Bad" right off the bat, which is just further evidence of my position that the people who get the most bothered by attitudes online should probably take the deepest breath Rainbow Knight fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Mar 5, 2020 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:...an extraordinarily good point but i am still inclined towards 
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Warmachine posted:
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:So did Biden. My god, imagine the debate. They'd have to use subtitles. I really don't think Trump would have an issue if he were to debate Biden. All he needs to do is come up with snide remarks and his base will wet themselves, the Biden will do the stupid thing and try to call him on his bullshit which won't matter to Trump because he has no shame
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tildes posted:The idea that Elizabeth Warren was running with the goal of destroying the progressive movement is an insanely dumb take. If she isn't running to destroy it, then she's loving it up for her own personal gain, so which is the worse crime?
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Solvency posted:Of course SA would be the place were people are actively attacking Warren rather then trying to court her followers the day after she drops out. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but your timing sucks. No one is under obligation to extend an olive branch to people who treat them like poo poo. Where are the Warren supporters asking for help instead of stewing and waiting to be "courted"? Every one of them that I've seen act with even a smidgen of humility and willingness for discussion have been welcomed with open arms.
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Solvency posted:You're right, but we still want these people to vote for Bernie yeah? We need them to win, unless something drastically changes in turnout. It doesn't do anyone good, except maybe as catharsis, to beat a dead horse. She lost, dropped out, and it's obvious to anyone who objectively looks at it why she lost—she's a bad candidate—, why belabor the point now? Yeah that's true and we do at least for politics sake, but from a moral standpoint admonishing Sanders voters for not doing it is unfair, considering we've always been at the halfway point with open arms. Warren voters retreating towards their own secluded area while shouting about "Bernie Bros" at this point is only putting distance between them and compromise imo, so they need to change that.
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Jaxyon posted:Where did Warren supporters treat you like poo poo? I haven't seen that happen here or anywhere. Idk amigo have you been keeping tabs on me or something My idea of being treated like poo poo is the general consensus that Bernie has an army of online bros causing problems and menace poor innocent Pete voters or Biden voters or Warren voters etc. I'm too tired to go back through my posting history to look for specific interactions so feel free to just dismiss it, I guess.
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riseofmydick posted:Bernie Bros are not nearly as angry, racist or vindictive as Hillary supporters in 2008. And those were real people because there was no twitter back then. To the surprise of no one, Hillaryis44 is still up and is pro-Trump now
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ManBoyChef posted:Im pretty freaked out that Joe Biden is going to get the nomination. He is such a lovely candidate! He has tried already three times and lost three times cos hes a freaking clown. He just lied about getting arrested in south africa because he was a freedom fighter for nelson mandela. Who DOES THAT!? He got in some pretty bad trouble for plagiarizing. He has tried to cut benefits more than three times. He has made it nearly impossible to get out form under the shadow of medical debt and student debt. He has fought hard for the credit card companies. He voted for the Iraq war and was an early supporter of it. He has made jokes about selling out and he is well known for helping his donors. Wtf am I missing here? Why are people voting for him? He will bring us back to the lovely days of obama or clinton. because he likes trains 
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:Is it somehow pro-Trump and pro-Hillary, or have they 180'd on Hillary and hate her now? If there's a human being who could follow whatever logic they follow, that person is operating on a much more advanced frequency than all of us
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