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nice try missed it buddy
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roarpower posted:nice try much like all lib criticism of socialism
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Feb 1, 2020 01:51
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The correct answer is communism saved millions of lives by defeating the Nazis.
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Feb 1, 2020 01:55
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communism has killed and will kill again if you dont vote for bernie sanders
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Presenting Nipples posted:The correct answer is communism saved millions of lives by defeating the Nazis.
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Feb 1, 2020 01:56
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https://twitter.com/kaymtye/status/1223310647703662592
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My great grandfather had the monopoly of eggs
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Feb 1, 2020 02:03
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the goose that laid the golden eggs, in which a married couple own a goose that lays one golden egg every day... but for greed and for short-term profit, they decide to kill the goose to obtain all the gold they believe to be inside. once opened, the goose proves to be like any normal goose...
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Feb 1, 2020 02:06
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communism is dead. dead tired of being blamed for millions of deaths, that is!
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Feb 1, 2020 02:30
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everything kills millions of people eventually. earth has had a lot of people.
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Feb 1, 2020 05:22
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Mayor Dave posted:Capitalism has a higher body count than communism could dream of and thats why we're living under capitalism 
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Feb 1, 2020 06:00
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millions of pieces of poo poo maybe
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Animal-Mother posted:Because I have a feeling that isn't actually true, comrades. Please advise me of the official position of the Party on this obvious reactionary propaganda. yes but it was either from internal power struggles or sheer incompetence rather than communism running on blood somehow
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Feb 1, 2020 06:36
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You guys might enjoy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_in_Kerala / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala A state in India that's doing significantly better than the average state in India, on a strong bed of soft communism.
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Feb 1, 2020 06:42
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No communist party ever claimed it was anywhere but on the socialist road, the pathway to communism. That road is filled with contradictions and challenges and anyone who expects otherwise doesn't understand Marxism.
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Feb 1, 2020 08:57
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Who knew "no true scotsman" was a lifestyle
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Prince Myshkin posted:No communist party ever claimed it was anywhere but on the socialist road, the pathway to communism. That road is filled with contradictions and challenges and anyone who expects otherwise doesn't understand Marxism. What's "marxism"
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Feb 1, 2020 09:47
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Mayor Dave posted:Capitalism has a higher body count than communism could dream of
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Despera posted:Who knew "no true scotsman" was a lifestyle You're a true idiot and I have no idea how you're able to type with your keyboard covered in drool.
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Like, The East India Trading Company alone murdered more people than Soviet Communism did in its entirety. Like that other poster said, America has more people locked up in private prisons right now than the Soviets did at the height of the Gulag system. If you really care about this measure, then stop believing MSM/establishment narratives of “communism” having a higher body count than capitalism / fascism. It’s pure fiction. The only mistake they made was allowing her grandparents to live. A Russian troll farm posted:The revolutions of the 20th century only ended up succeeding in peripheral, underdeveloped countries. This meant that in order to resist outside reactionary forces, they had to resort to both crash industrialization (which always causes lots of deaths) and harsh authoritarian measures. It's pure survivorship bias, and those dozens of coups orchestrated by the CIA to overthrow left wing democracies are proof of it. A great post, but the bold part cannot be overstated. Not to mention America’s right-wing government currently has - and for decades now - invaded the privacy of its citizens on a level that renders the notorious capabilities of the Soviet Communist model under Stalin looking like amateur hour by comparison.
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Feb 1, 2020 11:12
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Communism (the ideology) did in fact kill millions of people and it would have to kill more before communism (the mode of production) could become established. It wasn't a few bad eggs at the top who corrupted the great ideal, but rather the real experiments uncovered the structural challenges with the whole deal. Mostly it's really hard to transition from an effective fighting organization into a flexible and realistic managerial organization when revolution and war seem to be joined at a hip and no stable peace is offered at any point. And popular initiative doesn't fully serve as a counterweight to managerial mistakes, seeing as both Stalin and Mao stayed extremely popular figures and random workers often took the hyper-antagonising "enemy of the people" narratives even further than the more educated cadres did. Crucially, it seems pretty conclusively established that globally, the vanguard peoples would not be those from the advanced capitalist countries but countries pushed into deep crisis by them, so they would be faced with the same basic dilemma in a new form. Regarding revolutionary purity, my take from my reading of history is that being *more* pure than Lenin or Stalin or Mao would have mainly decreased people's quality of life. They were actually trying out the absolute limits of making the theory reality, and the deepest crises happened when they were able to push through their most leftist policies. There's a messed up balancing act involved in the whole deal, and it couldn't be avoided by shifting the decisive power to the local level, that'd just dilute responsibility and make national development a lot more chaotic and unpredictable, less unified. As a bonus, here's Engels in 1853 exhibiting his startling future-telling ability (the relative accuracy of his later prediction of the world war is incredible to me): quote:All this, of course, relates merely to theory; in practice we shall, as always, be reduced to insisting above all on resolute measures and absolute ruthlessness. And that’s the pity of it. I have a feeling that one fine day, thanks to the helplessness and spinelessness of all the others, our party will find itself forced into power, whereupon it will have to enact things that are not immediately in our own, but rather in the general, revolutionary and specifically petty-bourgeois interest; in which event, spurred on by the proletarian populus and bound by our own published statements and plans — more or less wrongly interpreted and more or less impulsively pushed through in the midst of party strife — we shall find ourselves compelled to make communist experiments and leaps which no-one knows better than ourselves to be untimely. One then proceeds to lose one’s head — only physique parlant I hope — , a reaction sets in and, until such time as the world is capable of passing historical judgment of this kind of thing, one will be regarded, not only as a brute beast, which wouldn’t matter a rap, but, also as bęte, and that’s far worse. I don’t very well see how it could happen otherwise. In a backward country such as Germany which possesses an advanced party and which, together with an advanced country such as France, becomes involved in an advanced revolution, at the first serious conflict, and as soon as there is real danger, the turn of the advanced party will inevitably come, and this in any case will be before its normal time. However, none of this matters a rap; the main thing is that, should this happen, our party’s rehabilitation in history will already have been substantiated in advance in its literature. uncop has issued a correction as of 11:21 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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Mayor Dave posted:Off the top of my head the Indonesian purge of communists, Pinochet , the entire history of Haiti post revolution, the Indian partition, Bengali famines, Ireland, post Soviet shock doctrine, banana republics, the Belgian Congo were all as bad or worse than the glf/holodomor at least in intention of not in scope lol
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Feb 1, 2020 11:28
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this is the answer though opSheng-Ji Yang posted:communism killed millions of nazi soldiers and hitler, yes
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Yeah, it was also capitalism and the emerging world market that became accessible to pre-capitalist countries that spurred on the whole Atlantic slave trade and a new stage in the genocide of indigenous people everywhere. Just untold millions of people dead because they were cheaper to kill or work to death than to let live. Double digit percentages of populations in badly hit areas. They weren't killed because of some looming crisis whose aversion seemed to require ruthless measures, they were killed for money. Cold hard cash. It's also a great case study of the dilution of responsibility, it's a tragedy that nobody actually caused! But people sure deserved a lot of credit and prestige for putting an end to its most overt forms! uncop has issued a correction as of 11:55 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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Feb 1, 2020 11:52
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To answer OP Stalinist terror got about a million and Mao did another million or so in. Can't make an omelette etc
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Feb 1, 2020 12:13
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communism killed jeffrey epstein
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uncop posted:Regarding revolutionary purity, my take from my reading of history is that being *more* pure than Lenin or Stalin or Mao would have mainly decreased people's quality of life. They were actually trying out the absolute limits of making the theory reality, and the deepest crises happened when they were able to push through their most leftist policies. There's a messed up balancing act involved in the whole deal, and it couldn't be avoided by shifting the decisive power to the local level, that'd just dilute responsibility and make national development a lot more chaotic and unpredictable, less unified. Almost as if the relationship between the relations of production and the productive forces is...dialectical.
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auspicious post
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Feb 1, 2020 14:34
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Billions not millions. Including op.
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Feb 1, 2020 16:40
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trillions by now. weep for those unborn nazis.
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upgunned shitpost posted:trillions by now. weep for those unborn nazis. I forgot about those to be murdered in the future.
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Communism has best K/D ratio of any ideology 100 trillion dead since the nineteenth century Try and stop us libs
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communist and capitalist regimes have killed millions of people but I don't think this was due to inherent features of communism or capitalism
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Its Chocolate posted:communist and capitalist regimes have killed millions of people but I don't think this was due to inherent features of communism or capitalism
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reignonyourparade posted:My official position is just to go "half those counts loving include nazi soldiers that were actively invading the Soviet union and they should have killed even more." also it includes the soviet soldiers and citizens killed by the nazis
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Feb 1, 2020 19:53
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communism killed the american dream!
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Feb 1, 2020 20:27
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communo killed the radio star
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Prince Myshkin posted:Almost as if the relationship between the relations of production and the productive forces is...dialectical. It is, but its role has been overrated by first worldist marxists. What I had in mind was more like the self-contradiction of the relations of production, that people lacked the organizational development to completely handle the intended relations of production, so they had to learn by doing. Maybe the greatest reason why overemphasizing forces of production is bad is because technology isn’t neutral: forces of production that are copied from capitalist countries are designed to work best with capitalist relations. It’s good to bring socialist relations early so that there’s hope of assembling forces of production that accommodate those relations.
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Feb 1, 2020 21:41
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Nice grain you've seized there. It'd be a shame if someone were to burn it
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*justly overthrow monarchy, aristocracy, and capitalism in one generation* you: I can't believe there's violence
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