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marktheando
Nov 4, 2006


Thanks, I literally yelled out "no" in horror watching this.

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marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Guavanaut posted:

Sure but if this was being done as an actual serious political project rather than tribalism and Tory grandstanding then the only good reasons to leave were the Bennite ones.

There was no argument nor possibility of that though, because there was no left faction even really involved, it was right wing liberals vs. right wing nationalists.

Brexiteers didn't want to leave because of the bad things about the EU, they wanted to leave because of the good things about the EU.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

five albums in one year is too many IMO

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Manic_Misanthrope posted:

Skyfall was good. It's weird, he's had both the best and worst Bond films during his tenure or maybe that's just recency bias talking.

Half of his movies are bad but there's no way any of Craig's movies are worse than Die another Day or any of the later Roger Moore films.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Pilchenstein posted:

I have a strong suspicion that the only good Bond films are Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, but I've not seen any of the non Craig ones in a while to confirm. Maybe Goldeneye too but I'd have to watch it again.

Nah Quantum of Solace is really bad and boring.


The best Bonds are Casino Royale, Goldeneye, and most of the Connery ones.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Has anyone in the government even mentioned the report into Russian interference since the election?

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Jedit posted:

IIRC Nandy said that there should be a second Scottish Indyref, but the whole of the UK should vote on it.

Lol I don’t think this vote would go the way she thinks it would.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I came here to complain about Boris spending £££s on a huge infrastructure project to allow Londoners to commute further, and hey it's the topic the UKMT is reliably reactionary on, the non-English nations of the UK. Great. Nationalism is bad, but the territorial integrity of the United Kingdom must be maintained.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I've said this before ITT but my dad was given corporal punishment for speaking in Scots in school. Not sure what exact amount of oppression is required for independence movements to be acceptable to the UKMT. I was under the impression that doing the whole 'oppression olympics' thing where you say 'oh group X is not as oppressed as group Y, they should shut up' was not cool.

Saros posted:

I was under the impression that HS2 was generally good if ludicrously over-budget but the various media types fail horribly to elucidate that it's main point is to move high speed trains off the normal lines which means you can run more and better services on them, not to make Birmingham an easier commute from London.

Maybe, but I'm sure London house prices being allowed to continue to get higher and higher is a big reason Bojo and friends are in favour of it.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Forums making GBS threads the bed for anyone else? Had to refresh this page three times for it to load.

forkboy84 posted:

My mum got the tawse at school for sitting in a row that the teacher decided to punish at random, I'm not sure that's an argument for Scottish independence as it is against corporal punishment.

Not to mention that corporal punishment hasn't been a thing in schools for 4+ decades so not sure this logic works even on it's own flawed terms.

My point is that the deliberate suppression of the Scots language is within living memory. It's not some far off thing. I was raised by someone who dealt with that poo poo. Sure things are better now but the attitudes persist. Like someone will probably reply to this saying Scots is a dialect and not a language.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

HS2 is a tory plot to complete the social cleansing of London. Every working class person in London is a northerner now.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

a pipe smoking dog posted:

I've got to say that this thread is definitely making me think that maybe the UK does need to be broken up after all.

It's weird the way that people itt who would definitely acknowledge that the English oppressed the Irish won't even consider that maybe the same sort of thing happened to the Scottish and the Welsh. Why is Irish anger about historical oppression justified but Welsh anger is "just nationalism".

:yeah:

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I need to stop looking at Quora.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Talking of twitter, I know this isn't the right thread for this but I'm not sure what the right one would be.

https://twitter.com/CIA/status/1227638516403843074?s=20

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

a neurotic ai posted:

Nandy is a melt. She is unwilling to call the culture war what it is (a losing strategy for the left who like to pretend it doesn’t exist), thinks the future is appealing to historically working class pensioners or near pensioners rather than social carers, retail workers and the rest of the ‘new’ working class.

Can you explain what you mean by the culture war?

I'd assume the culture war we have currently is largely about immigrants and trans people, and I'd rather not throw them under the bus even if backing them is a losing strategy for the left, which it probably is. Or do you mean another culture war?

I was talking to my (Labour voting) dad about Bernie Sanders yesterday and he was enthusiastic but kind of rolled his eyes when the topic of trans rights came up, and asked me what % of the population they are, he's sick of hearing about it. I lectured him about why he was wrong but I can do that with my dad, politicians can't really do that to voters.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Al-Saqr posted:

Not gonna lie it's really depressing and sad to see Labour internalize and apologize for the completely made up zionist anti-semitism smear campaign on them, they shouldve just followed their american comrades example and told people to gently caress off and whipped their entire base into choosing between socialism or Israeli Barbarism and treated supporters and sympathizers of Israel as the blood-enemy of the left they actually are. They blinked and let the fascists cower them. American Socialists have tougher backbones and are willing to make Israel and their local proxies and evangelical supporters their enemy and fight them tooth and nail. Never Apologize, Never give an inch.

This seems like it's much easier to do when the left candidate is actually Jewish, and the majority of Jews in your country are not conservative. Neither of those things are true of the UK.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

These new immigration laws are predictably vile. It really sickens me that they straight up put a money amount on who is let in. I think of my EU national friends, none of whom have ever made £25k, and it makes me want to cry because they all contribute far more than any of these Tory cunts. gently caress.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

ronya posted:

One obvious impact is a drastic shift back toward South/East/Southeast Asia to fill programmers, nurses, social work, etc roles on the shortage list, since these countries have explosive numbers of English-speaking people with at least a post-secondary qual

the reaction to this from the people who voted for brexit to get rid of the muslims will be fun

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Is it worse? The SNP seem to be about as split on TERF poo poo as Labour are, and the SNP leadership seem pro trans rights. Joanna Cherry is awful though.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I love people who are convinced against all evidence that Tony Blair is still very popular and that THE LEFT are just virtue signalling when they claim to be upset about hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

feedmegin posted:

'Brexit supporters are a nationwide issue, not so much specific to anyone region'.

What are you trying to suggest here?

Camrath posted:

a Jewish security company

Does this just mean Jewish owned, or is there something specifically Jewish about the security work they do?

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I appreciate you being more nuanced on the topic of independence coolcab. The thing with the SNP splitting is, well you say so yourself it's a big tent. I can't see why young left wing activists and tartan tories would be in the same party any more without independence as a shared goal.

And re Canada, ten years of tories makes a leader who at least pretends to be nice look great in comparison.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

You love to see it

https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1230283289073737730?s=20

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Eh given how poo poo the other major parties in Scotland are, the SNP will be in power for the foreseeable future, independence or no independence, but I can't imagine that lasting for decades and decades like Japan. Since the alternative is endless tory rule, I'll take it.

Angry Lobster posted:

In the case of an hypothetical Scottish independence, what would happen with the Union itself? Would it need to be reformed into another entity or it can just continue as it is?

Which union do you mean? The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would obviously be replaced by The United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, or do you mean the union of the crowns? Liz would still be queen in Scotland. But I'm not sure if she would be Queen of Britain, or Queen of Scots and also Queen of England.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Chuka Umana posted:

If an independent Scotland is still under the monarchy burn the SNP in hell forever.

Most of the SNP are republicans but it would be very dumb to fight that battle at the same time as independence and alienate all the monarchist voters, ie most voters.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Lol Watson

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Jose posted:

this seems as good a thread as any to ask for recommendations on bluetooth earphones that have good battery life. I've got some cheap anker ones but their battery life is a bit poo poo and i'm going to be spending a lot of time listening to music at my new job

I don’t think they make the model I have any more but my Taotronic headphones were like £20 and have a nine hour battery life.

This I think is the updated equivalent-

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07RPRZLYY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_bKtuEbVNJTMTJ

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Hollow earth theory is much cooler than flat earth theory because there are dinosaurs living on the inside of the hollow earth.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

We owe it to the planet to conquer the interior of the earth, defeat the Nazis there, befriend the dinosaurs, and set up solar power plants to harness the power of the little sun that's at the centre.

marktheando fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Feb 23, 2020

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Lungboy posted:

Even if No Deal isn't his goal, he's going to incompetence us into it isn't he?

I dunno, I think it's probably more laziness, he might be capable of negotiating a deal if he could be bothered.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I've not really watched much of the labour candidates speaking, but I get the impression that none of them are very charismatic. And I think RLB needs to be charismatic to overcome the baggage of being associated with the losing Corbyn leadership, and the advantages Starmer has with his media support.

Corbyn wasn't charismatic in the traditional sense, but he had a charm and a genuineness I haven't seen from his potential replacements.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

forkboy84 posted:

Should build a time machine to go back to a time when uncharismatic does like Attlee cokld become PM

He did have the advantage of being able to prove himself first by basically running the country during the war.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Communist Thoughts posted:

fwiw i actually don't think kier will have any advantage in the media once the contest is over.
he's being puffed up to kill corbynism then he will be torn to shreds since he's a moist eyed melt and very much a london elite type so the ideal opponent for bojos current strategy.

Oh yeah absolutely, the media will turn on him the second he's leader. I just meant his media advantage in this contest.

The only way a Labour leader is getting an easy time in the press is if they fully bend the knee to Murdoch and are well to the right of Red Ed Miliband. And I don't even know if that is possible any more after Blair burned that bridge by sleeping with Murdoch's wife.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Why do they stretch out the voting for over a month? Like do they campaign for that whole period rather than doing any oppositioning? To an ever dwindling number of voters as presumably if one of them gets outed for some horrible crime in the last week or something they don't let you have your already cast vote back?

Just look at America with their several years long elections and be grateful.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Steel knowing about Cyril Smith came out ages ago, he's only now resigning?

thespaceinvader posted:

I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say 'who?!'

He was speaker in the Scottish Parliament for a while.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Josef bugman posted:

gently caress Steel. How can you know something like that and then not report it.

Also, thread. I wanted to ask something, it is relatively unimportant:

Would you say it is possible for us to truly change as people? I know that this is the internet and hence everything usually has a very high amount of irony and dissassociation from the self, but do any of you think it's possible to truly improve and change as a person when faced with ones actions?

You seem like a good dude bugman, with your heart in the right place. You keep hinting that you view yourself as some kind of terrible person but I've not seen any evidence of this being true.

To answer your question, yes. Even tories can improve and change.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Gonzo McFee posted:

A big report came out that said basically everyone in power in the police and politics knew about rampent rape and child molestation by the rich and powerful and did nothing about it because they fear the rich and powerful.

I've not really read it in much detail, but the headlines (Thatcher knew! Steel knew!) we knew about years ago.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Aramoro posted:

Also why the gently caress is Ian Murray still a thing.

He's the man who mended our broken Hearts.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Aramoro posted:

Untrue, he stepped down from his position in Hearts to become an MP.

He was still doing Hearts stuff as an MP I'm pretty certain.

Either way he gets given a lot of the credit for saving them.

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marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

qhat posted:

Yeah there was active sabotage from the loving Blairites the whole time Corbyn was in power. As far as I'm concerned the labour party should be split and formed into two parties, one called The Labour Party formed of the leftists, and the other called something idiotic like say The Independent Group formed of Blairites.

Also the whole time Milliband was in power, in case anyone is thinking things will improve with a centrist leader.

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