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Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Comrade Fakename posted:

This thread is called the UKMT.

UK Mumsnet Thread

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Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Tesseraction posted:

Although tbh I would argue that without the English to blame for the problems, it's still pretty likely that austerity will start coming in thick and fast - ask Ireland.

This isn't a proper analysis of the Irish Independence movement. Yes, a lot of the energy around the 1916 Rising was Socialist in nature. However, the majority of the left leaning leaders either died in or were executed after the Rising. The Independence movement was still there - and if anything it became more popular after the Rising - but the new leadership was either Catholic Conservative with De Valera or (potentially) of a military dictatorship flavour under Michael Collins.

quote:

Although often cast by his political opponents as a revolutionary, de Valera disliked the term and was anxious to emphasise his moderation: to offset the effects of those of his critics in 1917-18 who likened his followers to the Bolsheviks, de Valera stated that 'they were called by certain people the Revolutionary Party. Were they called the Conservative Party they would be more correctly named. They would conserve the spirit of true Irish nationality.

https://books.openedition.org/psn/5216?lang=en

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

I also think it's unfair to argue that someone is less leftist because the PM of the country they moved to did blackface. That is, unless, they specifically moved there because they were a huge fan of Trudeau's blackface, which would be a pretty odd reason to go anywhere.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

WhatEvil posted:

Canadian politics post inbound:

#Wexit is trending on Canada twitter, because a bunch of Albertans want the West of Canada to secede and/or join the US, because they're Mad About Oil.

There's a Wexit party been registered which is aiming to run in every seat at the next election. Not really sure how they're planning to gain seats outside of Alberta though.

It's not even named right because Alberta isn't the Westernmost province.

Also the reason it's trending is because some company who were going to be starting a $20bn oil sands extraction project in Northern Alberta have withdrawn their application. Chuds on twitter saying stuff like "Regulated to death! Is Canada a failed state?" but if you look at the letter from the company saying why they're withdrawing, they say "Global markets are changing towards clean energy" etc. and it's all about climate change.

Hasn't stopped the Alberta premier from blaming it on "Federal inaction" in relation to blockades set up by indigenous communities against a gas pipeline being built through their territory.

Just dumb, dumb poo poo all around. Mostly a small minority at this point but it still boils my piss.

I didn't think for a moment I was getting away from this poo poo by moving to Canada - Quebec have had a separatist movement for years, mostly because they're French-speaking I think.

A lot of it very much mirrors what's been going on in the UK with industrial decline - All of the populated places in Saskatchewan and Alberta basically only exist because of oil extraction, only the oil price has been tanked down to half of what it was 10 years ago, and now of course climate change has people moving away from oil, so you have a bunch of people living in places that will have lost an entire industry before long. So of course now Saskatchewan and Alberta have lots of people who vote Tory, and at the extreme end want to secede as their own oil state or join the US so they can say "Ha gently caress you, we're still extracting oil!" to Canada and the rest of the world, while it all loving burns down and everybody dies.

Cool poo poo.

Separatism in Quebec is not only because they speak French - provinces like PEI and Newfoundland have a decent amount of francophones. There are even some primarily french-speaking towns in Ontario.

Quebec's push for independence has always been rooted in how it became part of Canada. It was originally a French colony which came under English control after the Seven Years War. When the British took over they didn't really apply a hard rule to the region, mostly because Quebec was majority Catholic and they didn't want to deal with a religious rebellion. This kinda continued after Confederation, where Quebec just did its own separate, French inspired and Catholic, thing.

Traditional Liberal/Conservative party lines fell away in the run-up to WWII, with a regionalist Union Nationale dominating the political landscape. After the war they would be in near constant power, with only one year not in government, from 1945 to 1970, mostly under Duplessis. This provided the foundation for the nationalist movement to build, and with the political demise of UN came the rise of Bloc Quebecois and there referneda on independence.

Quebec separatism doesn't seem to be popular at the moment, even though the province only voted by a few thousand votes to remain in 1995. Nearly every party has platitudes towards the notion, but nobody wants to act on it at this moment.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

josh04 posted:

The new Civility in Politics awards appear to have shortlisted Simon Hedges.

Just came here to post this. Huge lol and I hope he somehow wins.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Is this what Boris meant when he was talking about the Brexit baby boom. Did he just want everyone to know his balls work.

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Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Darth Walrus posted:

lmao, they're making classrooms more crowded and bringing in older, less healthy doctors.

https://twitter.com/skynewssarah/status/1233876911912374273?s=21

Killing off those at risk is certainly a battle plan.

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