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winegums posted:The remain fight is over, now begins the chance to do something better. The EU is going to be the enemy, though, simply because the default state of international trade is ludicrously vicious, and they're a massive, institutionally capitalist economic superpower right next door who we just torpedoed our relationship with. They're going to treat us like they treat African economies.
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I'll be going to see RLB in Bristol this afternoon, and may drop by to meet angry drunk Emily Thornberry in Bath afterwards.
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happyhippy posted:It won't be the IRA doing it this time around. The IRA will probably start getting fighty as the calls for Irish reunification start getting louder (and the British government refuses), though.
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Feb 1, 2020 15:39
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happyhippy posted:But if they are smart (unlikely I know) they would hunker down, and let the UK destroy itself with Brexit and such. The catch with that idea is that the British government will be funnelling as much of the misery as possible onto people who aren't part of their base and have weak democratic representation in Westminster. Like Northern Ireland, and especially Irish Catholic communities. Brexit will hit the IRA's base first and hardest.
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Feb 1, 2020 15:58
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I feel that all this Gibraltarchat has been shamefully failing to consider the views of the real native population.
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Feb 1, 2020 19:14
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Modern Brits are the descendants of native populations that integrated smaller foreign groups into their makeup over time, rather than the descendants of settlers who subsumed the local natives into their group. More Bolivia, less the US. Bolivia is a somewhat awkward comparison 'cos of the modern, ongoing, institutionalised slavery, though.
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Feb 1, 2020 19:57
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Went to RLB's event in Bristol, and got a very good reply to my question about Labour's role in community organising and parallel support structures. I suggested afterwards that it'd be nice for her campaign to push that, and I hope she does.
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Feb 1, 2020 20:29
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OwlFancier posted:Yes and going around saying that this place should be owned by this country because the population is sufficiently genetically mixed is loving weird and hard to distinguish from some arsehole in the foreign office drawing lines across Africa. She talked about the importance of increasing the visibility of Labour's presence in community activism, and in fostering our own, particularly since conventional support structures are going to poo poo. One memorable pull-quote was about how she'd like to try to make Labour a 'fourth emergency service'.
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Feb 1, 2020 20:36
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OwlFancier posted:I mean nandy also was involved with the attempt to unseat corbyn so I think she's probably more on the "more warcrimes please" side. She was literally the co-chair of Smith's campaign, and it's difficult to trust a candidate who gets articles like this about their candidacy.
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Feb 3, 2020 12:13
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Jesus, Wikipedia tells me Dawn Butler is 50? I thought she was way younger.
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Chuka Umana posted:Kurt definitely channeling Morrissey in that one. Jesus, it's that racist?
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Feb 4, 2020 01:00
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https://twitter.com/cwunews/status/1225083346784526337?s=21 Worth clicking through and reading the statements.
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sebzilla posted:Still makes more sense than Lloyds: The Horse Bank for Horses and their Horse Families I dunno, it makes perfect sense for a British bank to be heavily involved in horse-racing, seeing as it's been a nexus of organised crime since forever. What's more surprising is that they want to advertise it.
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Not So Fast posted:Is the Trilateral Commission that spooky anymore or is it just like Davos? I mean, Epstein.
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Feb 7, 2020 14:43
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Nandy as leader means many things, but one of them is bipartisan support for violent suppression of the Scottish independence movement. Seriously, she's been saying some absolutely psychotic poo poo about Scotland.
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I, meanwhile, am going to have to figure out when it's OK to take a small and energetic dog for a walk.
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Feb 8, 2020 19:05
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Jose posted:The other candidates are dismal I really hope she wins. Not sure why ignoring everything else about starmer people think he's a good option when brexit got the party ruined at the election TBF, the numbers do show that Labour's performance was far more closely related with that of the Lib Dems than with any other party (with a Lib Dem protest vote causing them serious damage in the local elections that they had a difficult time recovering from), so there is an argument that his push for a more Remainy stance considerably softened the blow by helping them claw back Lib Dem votes at the last minute. 
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OwlFancier posted:You could also argue that all the brexit voters going tory might have been a problem too... I mean, the BXP was only ever managed opposition. I'm not sure what Labour could have done to grab those voters, and there's no obvious signs in that chart of Labour defections to Leave parties. Their call for a second referendum in January, for instance, caused a dip in their polling numbers that they quickly recovered from, and nobody else's numbers moved.
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Feb 9, 2020 14:37
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That's a fourteen-second clip, which makes me instantly suspicious. Anyone got anything longer?
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Feb 10, 2020 11:05
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Alchenar posted:If you want a candidate who is going to effectively call the government out when things go wrong you will never have a better candidate then the literal ex head of the Crown Prosecution Service. Yes, a socialist mass movement should always put its trust in technocrats and lawyers. Remember that the law isn't morality, and Starmer hasn't shown much evidence of being able to think outside the box and display strong leadership rooted in strongly-held morals when things go off-script.
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https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1226829525679513600?s=21 lol Maybe the coronavirus will get to make some friends when we release whatever's been breeding down in Beaufort's Dyke.
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Hobo posted:Joined Labour (Bath, feel free to update the CLP list!) just before the election, and tonight I'm finally going to my first meeting... which happens to be the CLP nomination meeting. Bath, eh? As an NES goon, you're right next door. Bath CLP is large and well-funded despite coming in a constant third place to the Conservatives and Lib Dems, and might be a bit melty. There's no significant Momentum presence in the BANES area - there was a branch, but it kind of imploded, and Momentum never gets back to us when we try to get in contact about starting a new one. Be sure to ask questions about Starmer's membership of the Trilateral Commission - it seems kind of odd that someone running for the leadership of a socialist mass movement should be on the 2019 membership list of an extremely exclusive group of extremely wealthy and influential people who are ideologically opposed to socialist mass movements and are headed by the guy who headed the ECB during the 2009 recession, an official in the US occupation of Iraq who became an advisor to Mitt Romney, and a pharmaceutical CEO whose company was sued for billions after they concealed evidence that their flagship diabetes drug was causing bladder cancer.
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Feb 10, 2020 19:54
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Hobo posted:I think the average age in this Bath CLP meeting must be firmly in the 50s, is that typical? They trend old, yeah. It's unpaid volunteer work, which is challenging for people of working age to seriously engage in.
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Feb 10, 2020 20:51
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Hobo posted:For the membership or for the exec? I understand for the latter, just expected that out of the 50 odd people in this meeting it would bit slightly more of an even mix. Even attending meetings on the regular can be tricky if you have other stuff to do. Bath is, in some ways, fortunate, because most people in the constituency will be able to reach your meeting spot via public transport or walking. In rural constituencies, getting to a meeting can require a lot more advance planning, especially if you can't drive.
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https://twitter.com/markdistef/status/1226958614277107712?s=21 Here we go again...
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Feb 10, 2020 21:06
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https://twitter.com/rlong_bailey/status/1227230364961210368?s=21 Nice. She also hit the government on the deportation flights: https://twitter.com/rlong_bailey/status/1227183329927221248?s=21 Meanwhile, I've seen precious little from Starmer on any actual, substantive issues. This is what I'm talking about with moral leadership - one frontrunner's providing it, one isn't.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:He hasn't turned up to much what with his mum in law dying. I'm talking about the whole course of his campaign. Go through his Twitter feed, and there's a lot of activity but little policy or principle.
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Angela Rayner also signed up to the trans rights pledges. Don't see any other leadership or deputy leadership candidates on the list yet, but that may have changed since I last checked. https://twitter.com/angelarayner/status/1227188845642424320?s=21 Also, has anyone else ever received unusually large payments from Universal Credit? Particularly after attending a disability interview?
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Since we were chatting about invisible racism today, this is a grim but important thread about that soldier who died recently: https://twitter.com/roadsidemum/status/1227056652765016064?s=21
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https://twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1227362922571104258?s=21 Nandy also said nice things about this campaign, although only RLB and Rayner are on the list of signatories.
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Barry Shitpeas posted:I don't believe any of the leadership candidates could win an election now, but they don't have to. What's important is they be an effective leader of the Opposition who will call out the Tories for their failures and lovely policies and show that there is another way for the country, not some centrist weathervane trying to triangulate the polls. For all the mockery of "we won the conversation", Corbyn did succeed in re-energising the left and steering progressive issues back into the mainstream, and the next leader will have a hand in shaping the narrative for the next election as well. Also, Labour as a machine is not exactly optimised for winning elections, and hasn't been for years. A good leader can work on that.
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Blue Labour's Paul Embery going Maximum Shithead: https://twitter.com/paulembery/status/1227303622905618432?s=21
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RabidWeasel posted:Can someone tell me bad things about Nandy because she has the support of some people who I generally categorise as dangerously poo poo, but she also appears to have at least some good opinions, so I'm confused. She's said some real weird, dumb stuff about Scottish independence. Apparently they can only go if the whole of the UK says they can go, and the British government should take notes from how Spain dealt with the Catalan independence movement.
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PawParole posted:so brown didn't have any of those seats that Labour lost in the last election? How did he form a minority goverment if he had no seats in the labour heartlands? He didn't form a minority government, you pillock.
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PawParole posted:I never said he won an election. He had to have enough seats to pass a budget and aviod VoNC's right? Where did those seats come from, if not the Labour heartlands? You're operating from some absolutely loving gigantic misconceptions that might best be remedied by a trip to Gordon Brown's Wikipedia page.
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It's also worth noting that Labour's vote-share has remained roughly the same in the 'red wall' since 2001. They held on through low turnout and a lack of a popular, unified opposition. Once that came along, those same old few thousand votes weren't enough any more.
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PawParole posted:but he had the seats. I never said he was ever elected, you guys are literally arguing past my point, I said he had enough seats to be PM, that at least some people in the northest had to have been socialists who voted labour, since they returned Dennis Skinner for year after year, and that Labour should watch to make sure Galloway doesn't split the vote or win seats in the north. A governing party can choose a new prime minister for itself without holding a general election. They're not a president, they're just the guy the majority party puts in charge.
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