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CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Jose posted:

someone tell me about student loans and poo poo if i want to do a masters at the age of 31 and with a mortgage

going back to school buds :hfive:

it's basically possible, i looked it up for my sister. i think funding depends on what you wanna do, this guide looks OK https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/students/postgraduate-loans/

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CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Lt. Danger posted:

hey remember when Guto Bebb was in the news and a bunch of people in the thread were like "lol he sounds like a Star Wars character". that was cool. that was so incredibly cool

member of parliament for the star wars expanded universe, guto bebb - that was me. you know i searched it a while back to see if i'd come up with that - i hadn't, there are four pages of posts of people all over SA independently coming up with the bit. it's a genuinely amusing linguistic coincidence that occasionally crops up, noticed by people who'd be unable to point out wales on a map.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
i wouldn't wish benzo detox on even jordan peterson. i certainly wouldn't wish Russian pseudoscientific insulin coma detox. good lord he's lucky to be breathing.

and yeah if you're rich and particularly if you're rich and international doctors will 100% prescribe you enough xanax that cessation will straight up kill you, no bother.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Julio Cruz posted:

on the other hand he's been in the "mental illness/addiction is just weakness" camp for years so this news is really scratching my schadenfreude itch

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

conveniently ignoring the power of jorb's meat-fed jungian stoicism there, "doctor" coolcab

when i say i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy i am not kidding.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
Jose if (lookong pretty likely rn) I move to Newcastle we should have a DND game where we drink a lot

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Josef bugman posted:

That bloke from the SNP caught flirting with a 16 year old from a position of trust?
.

no true Scottish nationalist

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Guavanaut posted:

Was there any comedy in the 90s that didn't treat trans issues as a joke?

It seems like that was very much the passing point between "ignore trans people entirely because we're supposed to pretend that nobody knows what that is" and "trans people exist lol", same as for 60s/70s comedy and gay men.

yeah there's a fair amount in the simpsons too, it's kind of a product of it's time but still super gross

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

endlessmonotony posted:

Yes, you stopped me right there and didn't read the rest of the post

can you really blame peopl for doing that

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

forkboy84 posted:

Because let's be clear, the last time Scotland voted over 30% for Tories was 1979, last time they were the largest party in Scotland was 1955. loving Anthony Eden was PM. Suez Crisis hasn't happened yet.

this is kind of selective - by scotnats own logic the SNP will vanish in a puff of smoke the second independence is acheived, at which point they will have the Tories as the largest party. all centerists want to pretend 2017 didn't happen - another way of putting it is that only two years ago the Tories got just under your benchmark with 29% and in doing so allowed Mays Tory government and Brexit for the whole island.

the Scottish right may be a minority but they're running loving circles around the Scottish left.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
gosh darn those English bastards for Brexit you mutter while Ruth Davidson's Scottish Tories give May the votes and Jo; buggers the slim parliamentary chance of escape

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Ash Crimson posted:

because as we all know, brexit wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for scotland

you idiot, you absolute moron

Brexit would not have happened (in its current form) without the 12 Scottish Tories and the Scottish leader of the lib Dems, that's correct.

the problem with counterfactuals is they didn't happen, but I can confidently state the above.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Ash Crimson posted:

The real delusion in this thread is thinking that a majority of england will ever totally give up their nationalism and throw their weight behind a leftist, socialist cause, the same country who gave Boris "tanktopped bumboys" Johnson the benefit of the doubt over a decent human being, the same country who when given the option to stall the car driving off the cliff, decided to press accelerate instead of stop, the same country in a toxic relationship with it's parasitical upper-class that don't even bother to keep the mask on nowadays, such is their disdain for anyone they deem working class

I feel like this is a conclusion I draw a lot, largely as an outsider? but the description you've given above...describes everywhere in the UK I've visited or lived. your whole rainy fash island is like this - Scotland, frankly, moreso sometimes. at the same time, the people I can most tolerate come from this bizarre place - those willing to call class what it is. it's a contradiction, to be sure.

you call others cowards with one breath and in the next you call those fighting for a better world deluded and there's no spark of cognitive dissonance at all.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Ash Crimson posted:

the issue is that one country's voice is amplified over the overs, i guess my issue isn't so much with england but with how it can effectively dictate what the rest of the uk does

unfortunately i don't see that changing any time soon, if ever.

it's not just England, is the problem - again, the Scottish right both exists and is exerting an enormous influence on the entire nation, despite being the minority. and I am not just talking about those with a blue rosette - Cherry is a frontrunner for leadership for example.

and this is extremely important to remember when we are analysing a hypothetical Scottish state - independence is being sold as a panacea to leftists and it demonstrably isn't that. this magical thinking - independence then everything I want - is being shared with people who do not want what you want. and they have more power than you do.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
and it would be remiss to leave out my personal solution to the issues of British nationalism, which is to grab what I can and bugger off to Canada. I recommend it, if it's in the cards.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

forkboy84 posted:

If the Highlands eventually wants independence then I have no real issue with that. The eventual death of the nation state is good far as I'm concerned

ah yes, balkanization, known reducer of nations

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
I am and always have been infinitely more sympathetic to independence based on material conditions rather than nationalism, and as such I am much more accomodating to Scottish independence than I was in 2014. it's very concerning that the arguments haven't changed, though

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

forkboy84 posted:

It achieves me not having to have Boris Johnson as my Prime Minister. This seems significantly more than nothing.

does it? would you accept Joanne Cherry as a substitute? how much of your leftism would you trade for this outcome, I can't help wonder.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Regarde Aduck posted:

The problem with Welsh nationalism is there is no political consciousness beyond language issues.

that and not thinking guto bebb is a star wars name, apparently.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

forkboy84 posted:

I don't think Joanne Cherry is that much of a lock to be next Nat leader tbh, the current leadership are very much opposed to her and will do all they can to find a new continuity candidate to replace Derek McKay or whatever he was called, but she'd still be a better PM than Boris. Or are we kidding on that Boris isn't just as shite on trans rights?
I'll always fear a shithead in leftist garb more than a plain shithead, I think. And that's kind of irrelevant to my question: there is, and should be, a distance between leftism and nationalism. How much would you compromise your leftist ideals to acheive your nationalist ones - how much harm would you permit on the promise of future help?

quote:

Seems funny this chatter coming from someone who hosed off to a country lead by a guy who did blackface repeatedly, how much of your leftism did you trade in there going by your own logic?

Pardon? I was... born there? I've never lived there while Al Jolson was in power.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

bessantj posted:

Is it more or less of a Star Wars name than his wife's name Esyllt Bebb?

Def more. Esyllt doesn't sound particularly star wars at all.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Coohoolin posted:

We literally just had a whole thing about not being rude or dismissive of Welsh linguistic and cultural features; are you all too empire brained to stop doing it?

empire as in, imperial march. because guto bebb is a star wars name :v:

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

forkboy84 posted:

Apologies for mixing you up with someone else then. But FYI the guy doing blackface I was referring to was Trudeau. Or did I muddle that up too?

Al Jolson was one of the last and more famous blackface performers. if you've seen the terrible Warner brothers shorts with bugs bunny doing blackface, that's probably a celebrity impression, of Al Jolson. apologies, somewhat esoteric.

and I do intend to move back, I'm just doing my undergrad first - I strongly doubt JT will still be in office, but I would move there if he was. material conditions are better.

quote:

Anyway, I sacrificed my leftists ideals to vote join Labour. I've compromised my ideals to vote in every election I've been eligible for since I turned 18. The entire act of electoralism is a big compromise. How much would I compromise them? Depends on the day. Depends if I'm on or off my meds. Depends if I feel up or down. I give no illusions of consistency, sometimes I'm hopelessly optimistic, sometimes defeatist, sometimes Scottish independence sounds a better idea than others. Right now, facing 4 years and 9 months of Boris and Dominic with no notable opposition? I'm more into the idea than I was 4 months ago.

Thing is, I don't see independence as really that much of an insult to what I believe in than. That's your weird thing, not mine. I'd not vote for Johanna Cherry but I will be voting Green at Holyrood next time out.

independence and nationalism are not synonyms, any more than patriotism and nationalism are.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Jedit posted:

Hearing that the bookies have Starmer at 1/7 to be the next leader.

so I put a fiver on it I'd get, like six pounds back or some horseshit?

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

bessantj posted:

What is a "Star Wars" name then?







I’m very glad you asked! Star Wars names – probably more accurately titled “George Lucas” names, as almost all of these examples come from the man himself – have a particular cadence and extremely clearly have a naming scheme. EU authors tend to lean on the crutch pretty hard too.

 

George likes to take an existing often English word (or occasionally, syllable) and add a vowel at the end to make it sound alien, most often O or A. He also likes hinting at the character’s nature with the English word he uses. Once you see this pattern it’s everywhere – Watt-o, who repairs electrical equipment. Greed-o is greedy. Lay-a, the sexy princess. Sole-o, admittedly cheating a bit, prefers to work alone. Chew-y, doglike. Jab-a, a backstabber. Land-o, owns territory. It’s not particularly subtle.

 

He also likes to ground the two syllable name (in either the first or second place) with a single syllable name, and extremely frequently likes to exoticize that with an additional repeated consonant (he does this a lot)– Bob-A FetT, Jang-O FetT. Jab-a the HutT. Lots of examples of the double constant ending names, actually BigGs. PietT. MofF. Etc etc.

 

When I say “guto bebb is a star wars name” it is because it shares these characteristics. For this same reason his wife doesn’t quite trigger it – it’s frankly too original to be one of George’s.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

bessantj posted:

That made one of us.

So would "Iago" be a Star Wars name?

Eh, not really. Now, Lago, that's getting closer -Laggo Startouch, we're there.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
he's a pilot if a very slow freighter, grouchy, probably mostly rubber prosthetics. Not Laggo's ship! He did the Kessel run in twelve hundred parsecs!

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

endlessmonotony posted:

I don't think there's a need to snipe at CoolCab.

He implies that the LibDems are a SNP plot to blame Brexit on the English and then moves directly to doubling down on anti-Welsh racism.

And I'm just going "am I witnessing that slide from leftism to blood-and-soil fascism by forum posts?".

He implies that the Scottish tricked English people that would have otherwise voted for Labour into opposing their own good and that... I don't think sniping nor mocking are the right plan here.

seriously i'm getting like two lines in and my eyes are glazing over, am i the only one who's noticing this?

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

endlessmonotony posted:

I don't think there's a need to snipe at CoolCab.

He implies that the LibDems are a SNP plot to blame Brexit on the English and then moves directly to doubling down on anti-Welsh racism.

And I'm just going "am I witnessing that slide from leftism to blood-and-soil fascism by forum posts?".

He implies that the Scottish tricked English people that would have otherwise voted for Labour into opposing their own good and that... I don't think sniping nor mocking are the right plan here.

ahhahahahaha i actually read it

blood and soil fascism

for thinking guto bebb

is a star wars name

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Guavanaut posted:


Sorry CoolCob, you're a Canadian Nationalist now. Which means that you have to have strong attachment to imperialist flags, rather than national ones. Don't ask me why, but them's the rules.


but canada is my easily my least favourite nation, except all the other ones - god drat it

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
https://starwarsintrocreator.kassellabs.io/?ref=redirect#!/BM0OkipgbeBNfcONKihf

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Guavanaut posted:

It's also on archive.org if anyone is interested in the language of these people:
https://archive.org/details/Sparrows.Cant.Sing.1963.720pSparrows.Cant.Sing.1963

e: Cockneys, not the USSR. However the USSR would certainly have won, especially if the USA had noped out after Japan capitulated.

this is extremely not difficult to follow, i was expecting much worse.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
I'm not sure I've ever seen a corpse. I think the...two? funerals I attended weren't open casket

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
this superforecaster poo poo is modern divination as expressed by mcnamaraesque obsession with the quantifiable right? cause lol

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Ardennes posted:

I mean perhaps the SNP at best is center-left, but I think the argument to be made by Scottish Nationalists is that the results provided by the SNP have been preferable to the direction that England has taken the UK, and independence would only give the Scottish left more leeway. (If you look at the statistics between Scottish NHS its competitor to the south you can see a massive statistical difference.)

Independence would undoubtably allow the Scottish electorate, which in all honesty, does seem generally to the left of the English electorate, have a better chance at seeing reform. Corbyn made an effort, but ultimately he was dragged down by factors out of his control (Brexit) and a media that hates any form of positive change for non-wealthy people. The Scottish media is arguably isn't that much better but it certainly would be a fairer fight.

Likewise, it would be hard to see that Scottish immigration policy would be as restrictive as the rest of the UK (which is pretty much the Australian system) if Scotland ever wanted a chance at rejoining the EU.

the material argument for independence has grown a lot stronger since brexit and again since brexit devolved into what it did. i still find nationalism morally repugnant though.

i genuinely think people underestimate that scotland still has an extremely influential minority of voters who are very lower case c conservative (in all three of the major parties) particularly on economic issues. this is why they had the fiasco with the currency question in 2014 - the party wound up trying to please every part of their big tent. the position they landed on - that scotland would retain the current currency (the pound) of the UK - leaving their printing presses to a nation that may be antagonistic to them in future - can kindly be described as poor. i'm of the opinion this was entirely to placate their very economically conservative, often pensioner voter bloc.

i tend to diagnose "centre left" as closer to "liberal" - often for better but occasionally for worse, scotland is a far more liberal country than the remainder of the UK. i would describe the SNP as a liberal nationalist party? representing the modern strain of TERFism on liberal parties very well, unfortunately..

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
boy there are a lot of us intending to or having moved to canada, huh.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

OwlFancier posted:

Which is a weird choice on moral grounds given they're currently genociding the native population.

the currently is kind of redundant, we literally never stopped :sigh:

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Ardennes posted:

Granted, you could argue that it is really about two types of competing nationalism at this point, especially considering the latest news. I don't think the UK is "better together" at this point.
poorly, in my opinion - of course this is far from the first time this has been tried, nor is it the first time marxist tradition has addressed this issue - rosa luxemburg famously wrote on it, as did lenin (i will confess i have bounced off The National Question a few times now). leftists always think they can ride that tiger - my reaction to "civic nationalism" is roughly analogous to my reaction to "enhanced interrogation" - liberal nationalism (the synonym of the term) fits far better imo.


quote:

I don't know if the currency issue is strong evidence, remember the referendum was in the aftermath of both a global financial crisis and admist the Eurocrisis. Both a Scottish Pound and the Euro were arguably unpopular for a reason at that point and the British pound was the default. That said, times have changed and the British pound is probably going to be trending downward versus both the USD and the Euro. I think it is more about relative FX markets have ideological politics.
again, the material conditions have for sure changed, that's inarguable. but i always highlight the currency issue in particular as it's kind of a useful example of the "big tent" that the SNP represented in 2014 - I personally know quite a few former conservative SNP supporters for example, the demographic most certainly exists. they reacted strongly to a perceived threat to their pensions and economic stability (coohoolie can argue about that pension bit i know it sets him off) and the SNP had to appease them, despite the fact their economic plans would be very severely hampered without their own currency - either the euro or pound are downgrades.

think i would personally describe the current SNP is a liberal party structure attempting maintain a rainbow coalition, with a centre left to actively socialist activist wing and base. they still have a impractically big tent.


quote:

Of course, the SNP party is still liberal, but arguably its brand of liberalism is arguably still considerably preferable to what is occuring in the South (especially if the Blarites re-entrench themselves and there is no escape from the current political trajectory). In addition, after independence, Scottish politics will probably normalize to a fair extent.

i've never, ever understood the reasoning for the latter - i suspect that if we moved to independence soon we would have the snp, or possibly a similarly liberal continuity party, with the conservatives as a second party and maybe labour and some leftist parties fighting for third - which is to say, the exact same configuration we have now. i'm not entirely sure why the SNP is supposed to disintegrate if it's managed to make itself popular enough to achieve independence? it would only do so with a long record of good governance?

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

marktheando posted:

I appreciate you being more nuanced on the topic of independence coolcab. The thing with the SNP splitting is, well you say so yourself it's a big tent. I can't see why young left wing activists and tartan tories would be in the same party any more without independence as a shared goal.

And re Canada, ten years of tories makes a leader who at least pretends to be nice look great in comparison.

you have to remember i always argued practically on material conditions and morally on nationalist ones - i would be enormously wilfully ignorant or ideologically blinkered to pretend the former hasn't radically changed. it was painfully clear the day after the brexit vote the argument for another referendum was kind of inevitable, even moreso as the Remain campaign demanded rerunning referenda. self determination is sacrosanct - tragically moreso to me than it is boris johnson, but hey.

nationalism is still a moral atrocity, it's still mind poison. and risking enormous shocks to a nation's material conditions for nationalism is still sickness compounded. but we as a nation have enthusiastically ticked the "barbarism" box in our ballot while scribbling swastikas all over the "socialism" option, it's hard not to sympathize with efforts to get the gently caress out.

again i'm loving off to canada god willing and the creek don't rise. good luck.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
oh sorry i didn't answer your point - i don't think independence is going to be some crushing blow to nationalism as a political animus in scotland, nor do i think that the SNP are any more vulnerable to their inherent contradictions before independence than after. in fact my concern would be those problems getting worse, not better.

essentially you would be entering a state where the ruling party is liberal and is extremely adept at muzzling the left with a conservative opposition party scoring about a third to half of the electorate- again, holyrood right now. i don't picture labour reanimating in that situation at all, especially since they'd go hardcore No again beforehand - there's a reason i say "dunbar democrats", i'm describing america junior.

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CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

bessantj posted:

Oh I wonder what Wales gets... of course. Still a Welsh Black Canary isn't that bad I guess.


i am very amused that it's a knockoff banshee, a character which was a paper thin irish stereotype (when last i cared about comics) who also has nearly the same color scheme (black green then yellow or lime).

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