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Who is your first pick in the deputy leadership race?
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R. Allin-Khan 6 1.60%
R. Burgon 80 21.33%
D. Butler 72 19.20%
A. Rayner 35 9.33%
I. Murray 5 1.33%
P. Flaps 177 47.20%
Total: 375 votes
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ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Chapo is cancelled lol

This is an awful take and anyone who thinks CTH is racist is a loving moron

https://twitter.com/gwensnyderPHL/status/1234232994325581824?s=19

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ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Published this dumb hitpiece article and now of course all the weirdest dregs of the online American woke-sphere are taking the opportunity to get their kicks in

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-chapo-trap-house.html

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
They occasionally make off-colour jokes and don't exhibit sufficient po-faced earnestness as far as I can tell. Quite a few accusations of class reductionism too and implicitly therefore ignorance of race issues, from people who think class is an 'identity' rather than an economic relationship.

It's just frustrating that so many of those attacking them consider themselves radical left wingers lol

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Lord almighty, I know I am not allowed to post any links but Shaun Lawson is somehow STILL melting down on twitter lmao

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Trin Tragula posted:

Extensive twitter thread on why Chapo can get tae gently caress, tl;dr:

93/

lol sorry no thanks

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Saros posted:

People saying woe is us we will all eventually get the coronavirus really need to stop. Frankly it's not helpful.

Thanks for this. I've been thinking much the same but all the doomsaying has been getting me twitchy too so I don't even want to think about what it's doing to some people. My mum is outright panicking to the point it's making her sick. She's always had pretty major anxiety issues so not representative but still the sensationalism isn't helpful.

To add to your points I'd also say that it's a mistake to assume infection patterns in the UK will follow a similar pattern to China. There are far more opportunities for transmission there - hygeine practices are less developed (see any squat toilet), hand-wash and toilet roll are rarely provided, spitting in the street isn't considered particularly rude, dorm style living arrangements are very common especially amongst students and young workers, meals are generally taken communally with everyone sticking their chopsticks into the same central bowls. None of this is a value judgement, and I actually prefer this approach in many respects, but it does present major challenges for preventing contagion. Even in China, the quarantine is working and cases are dropping off. Its going to get worse, but it will get better. This isn't an end-of-the-world scenario, just a particularly bad flu season.

TLDR: brits are a bunch of depressed antisocial assholes and that might be what saves us lol

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Mar 3, 2020

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Demanding someone remove their shoes when they come into your house is a 10/10 power move imo

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
You'd think dunking on the telegraph would be low hanging fruit but leave it to lib in chief jobby o briain to completely gently caress it lol

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=19

E:

Ash Crimson posted:

England are not all loving Zombies, but a majority aren't socialists and aren't going to be on-board with your ideology anytime soon and no amount of insulting me is going to change that fact, so go ahead and keep advocating for Wales, Northern Ireland, Northern England and Scotland to stay in a toxic relationship I'm sure the decades of uninterrupted neoliberalism and rapacious corporatism will end anytime soon if we just keep fording ahead with the status quo, which is clearly working so well for all of us, the english included, who are bearing the brunt of it.

With the precedent Ireland set I'm sure this will go fully according to plan

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Ash Crimson posted:


Aren't Sinn Fein almost in power there?

We couldn't even get a genial socialist in power over here

Sure the last election was a good result but don't pretend that Ireland didn't swap poo poo British domination for poo poo Catholic domination for poo poo neoliberalism with Catholic characteristics in the century since independence.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Coohoolin posted:

I mean kinda but phrasing it like that makes it seem like those three phases are all equally morally condemnable, which is a highly questionable and probably disrespectful implication to make. As bad as a the rent situation in Dublin or Galway is I'm not sure it's quite as bad as what was inflicted on Ireland by British rule.

I'm not making any equivalences, just pointing out that the idea that independence from the UK = any great leap towards the socialist utopia is very dumb

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Jedit posted:

I don't give a poo poo if Independent Scotland is socialist, neoliberal or a gaylepertapdancingnunarchy. I only care that it is in the EU, so I have improved options for getting out of it.

This is quite a take

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
If an independent Scotland somehow went full people's republic I'd quite like to live there over somewhere in the loving eu

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I'm genuinely worried for the sizable number of Chinese (and Asian in general, because yes racism) students in Britain, and in particular the significant number who don't speak particularly great English and can't effectively communicate particularly under duress. They don't deserve the inevitable poo poo that's going to be flung at them as a result of the coronavirus stuff. Even outside of that, the reception we give them as a nation is loving embarrassing when compared to how westerners are treated over there in general.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
someone I used to work with in retail had alcohol sanitiser because she was convinced currency was an insane source of all sorts of contagions, I always thought she was being overzealous but eh who knows now

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

marktheando posted:

Yeah my friend's Chinese dad has had a big decline in customers at the restaurant he works at, and has had people moving away from him on buses and the like.

I'm trying to make a point to sit nearby Asian people on public transport as a result of this kind of stuff, obviously not in a big dramatic way. No idea if it's appreciated, but eh

Camrath posted:

Each bag is 100g; a box is 500g total.

Does your fudge use gluten at all? Billionaire's shortbread sounds great but I'd rather not poo poo myself lol

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

OwlFancier posted:

The telegraph is a bad website because you can bypass the paywall by halting the page load half way through.

I like to imagine that this is the result of some fifth column communists in their IT department

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Jedit posted:

Yeah, but TPaine is diabetic and it sounds like he's talking about eating it himself.

Decent hypo treatment?

Also, kinda go gently caress yourself if I'm being honest, you worry about your own diet and I'll worry about mine.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
if you happen to live in dewsbury there's only one place you should be buying your meat and it's from this lovely gent

https://twitter.com/djonesbutchers/status/1235271384860962816?s=20

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

RockyB posted:

Well, FlyBe just went tits up.

https://twitter.com/SimonCalder/status/1235324067709935617?s=19

One less infection vector I guess...

lol I liked flybe, always felt like an adventure with the wee little propeller planes

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Normal westbound takeoff - zoom crush makes it look a lot closer than it is, the actual takeoff path runs a comfortable couple hundred metres wide and high of Canary Wharf (ahem) but they make a sharp right as soon as they're up to speed to allow them to depart without interfering with approach to Heathrow. This is a lot of fun, because on most days it takes you through the wind shadow of the towers so the plane suddenly drops just as the turn starts. It's probably only a few feet, but it feels like a *lot* more as you're looking directly down into my mate's back garden, low enough to see whether or not he has washing out.

Combined with the very short takeoff roll and pretty sharp acceleration of the little planes they use at London City, it's about the closest any British person ever gets to feeling what it's like to launch off of a proper aircraft carrier. This also applies to landings - the 5 degree glidescope (compared to 3 degrees at most airports) is the same as used for carrier landings (not to avoid crashing into Canary Wharf as most people believe, but to minimise noise on the approach and speed at touchdown).

I know flying is very bad, but I seriously recommend a flight from London City if no train is available for the journey you want to take - it's really not that much more expensive than a flight from Heathrow or Gatwick (and for most Londoners may even be cheaper just because you save the outrageous cost of train or taxi fare).

I absolutely love LCA for all these reasons but in my experience the BA Cityflyer planes that make up most of the traffic seem to operate as de facto all business class flights for obvious reasons. Nice big leather seats, 2/2 layout, free booze etc. All great but the price reflects that too. There are some reasonable deals occasionally but you're usually looking at £100-150 one way for a flight up to Scotland. Seems daft when you can get one from Heathrow for half that (or be environmentally friendly and get a train).

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Mar 5, 2020

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
save money on both toilet rolls and bidets by just blasting your rear end with the shower head after making GBS threads

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Presumes that your shower will stretch to the toilet unless you plan on spraying it down the shower/bath waste pipe which would not be good.

:effort:

They all lead to the drain

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
You don't actually poo poo in the shower jfc, just rinse off your rear end afterwards. Unless you've got one hell of a hairy crack you're not ending up with actual turd logs going down the plug.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I for one eagerly embrace the coronavirus killing all the old racist gammon tories lmao

I might die in the process but that on balance would be acceptable imo

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
i'm currently getting called a mug by limmy live on stream, what a life

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Lol

https://twitter.com/joekennedy81/status/1236993545325760512?s=19

Have to say the constant breathless (lol) doomsaying isn't particularly great for the mental health of those of us lucky enough to have other chronic health conditions!

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Realistically the coronavirus stuff will not destroy civilisation even in the worst case, but a lot of people will get sick and quite a few of them will die. More effective quarantine measures like those being used in China and Vietnam have been shown to work, and they seem to be mostly over the worst of it. Britain won't implement those, because Britain is a dumb joke country run by actual clowns, but as with all epidemics it will pass here too. The knock on economic effects will be considerable, but that might not actually be such a bad thing in the long term. By far the most dangerous thing is the potential for mass panic, and that's going to be the difficult thing to control. Doomsaying all over social media is really not helping here.

e: lol I've had a minor cough for the last week or so, but it's a productive one (coronavirus doesn't tend to cause that type) and isn't getting any worse and I have no other symptoms, so pretty sure it's just a cold or the standard price of living in awful polluted London. That said, I would much rather not die alone in bed in my tiny poo poo flat in a city I hate with all of my loved ones hundreds of miles away, so I can't pretend I'm not feeling a little anxious.

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Mar 10, 2020

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Communist Thoughts posted:

I see this a lot, what terrible danger do people think mass panic will incur? and why is it worse than a million dead?

Are you honestly asking what danger is posed by tens of thousands of people panic buying essential goods at the exact same time global supply chains are being severed and half the country is either sick or under quarantine.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

XMNN posted:

if anyone's looking for some quarantine themed reading material, I absolutely loved the decameron which is about a bunch of posh Florentines loving off to live in the countryside during the black death and telling stories to each other to stave off boredom.

The one that did this for me in a kind of meta way was Don Quixote, just because it was a properly funny book clearly written by someone very smart and witty who didn't at all take himself particularly seriously, but existed in a world completely alien to me. I loved that feeling of uncanny relatability.

Communist Thoughts posted:

30-60% for europe

anyway the stuff about panic is overblown coz we got the blitz spirit!

We've always known that the dumb boomers who go on about the spirit of the blitz as if they actually lived through it would be the first to bitch and whine incredulously the second they experienced any personal inconvenience.

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Mar 10, 2020

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Collateral posted:

My daughter's maths teacher has been diagnosed. :toot:

Thankfully kids seem to get a pretty easy ride of it, some small comfort

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
lol at the forums goatseing everyone for no reason

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
how the gently caress are people looking at joe loving biden and bernie and going 'aye, that biden lad looks like a good shout'

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
If nothing else the last few years have made me much more enthusiastically, ahem, bolshevik, about things. Not that that means anything given how hosed we are very soon and how there is absolutely zero significant appetite for more direct revolutionary politics. Pretty sure Lenin himself couldn't whip up the proletariat in UK2020.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I have begun to unfollow all the poo poo take-havers I follow on Twitter and instead put them into a special 'brainworm quarantine zone' private list, this is an excellent feature that means I am only exposed to the lunacy when I choose to be and also doesn't give them the implicit support of a follow, would recommend

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

20% will be off work, many in hospital, and most of the rest will be too scared to leave the house

The economy isn't going to be "impacted", it's going to die

It'll be bad yes but no the economy is not going to die, please stop acting as if this is an end of days world shattering event. Worst case scenario a few thousand people keel over. That's obviously not a good thing and more should be being done, but we're not imminently about to start living in Mad Max. If we got through the black death we'll get through this.

we've got a good ten, twenty years before climate change gets us to real apocalyptic chaos lol

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Well OK it's not going to die Mad Max style, no. But I fully expect it to be worse than the financial crash by quite a margin and the economy is going to look pretty pale very soon.

But hey at least house prices will go down when thousands of boomers die off

That's fair. There's an opportunity in all this, I sense.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
You know what I've been deeply critical of the PRC in the past but those lads are really growing on me and I'm beginning to wonder if we're a little too eager to buy into the liberal democratic critiques. They're certainly doing something over there. Why are we so happy to accept Western media outlets when they attack China while acknowledging that they lie constantly about any domestic socialist with mainstream popularity? I wonder if we're in a cold war we don't even realise is happening...

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Guess I'd better stock up on wine lol

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Good, I'm really hoping for this. If they lock London down on Sunday, nice. If they lock it down tonight, better. But they should be locking it down right now.

If they're really smart, they'll lock it down without any hint of it being planned. They will have seen what happened in Italy: they announced they were gonna lock down the north, then everyone and their dog got on a train and went south before it happened, taking the virus with them and infecting the whole country.

So I'm expecting - from a competent government, at least - a very sudden lockdown.

What precisely would a lockdown look like? No public transport in/out I would imagine. Actual roadblocks preventing people leaving the city boundaries? Does it imply an actual enforced 'everyone off the streets'/shops shutting etc? Because if so boy howdy I'm going to need a few more tins of beans in the flat.

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ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Sucks that working out is one of the few ways I can genuinely de-stress but the gym is absolutely not a good place to be atm lol

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