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Who is your first pick in the deputy leadership race?
This poll is closed.
R. Allin-Khan 6 1.60%
R. Burgon 80 21.33%
D. Butler 72 19.20%
A. Rayner 35 9.33%
I. Murray 5 1.33%
P. Flaps 177 47.20%
Total: 375 votes
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Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

God what are all these Ides doing here? You had one job! Ffs.

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Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Pro-tip - in the absence of a surgical mask or a dust-mask, you can substitute with a full-face welding mask.

Bonus: Your inability to see anything will stop you leaving the house, and thus limit your risks of exposure

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

So if travellers trespass the police are just gonna seize their legally owned vehicles/homes? God is this the next 5 years? Just a quiet nonchalant slide into fascism.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

NotJustANumber99 posted:

I mean not necessarily but they'll arrest them. Unless theres later questions not quoted here that say that.



Boy I sure am glad journalists are picking up on this, instead of dropping burns on twitter about the precise patriotism content of a full english (87%)

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010


I do not understand.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Mebh posted:

Just got back from ASDA in Sheffield and the toilet paper aisle was stripped bare. People walking away with 2 giant packs under each arm. Did I miss a bulletin or something?

Also watched Dark Water today for a lovely "you all have cancer" fun start to the Saturday. Good film, recommend.

On a total aside I'm looking to get back into painting miniatures as a hobby, any goons got any advice on a decent starter paint set? The ones recommend on amazon seem a bit pricey at £45 for 20 18ml colours. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Grinning-Gargoyle-GAR-FPS001-Miniatures-Warpaints/dp/B07P66VH2L

Also, spray paint undercoat or by hand?

"Oozing Purple" sounds like something I'd type into WebMD whilst slowly melting down in fear.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

RockyB posted:

I want to link to the zombie dance party in Daybreakers, but it looks like Netflix has deleted all copies off YouTube. Everyone just wearing headphones and raving away silently.

I am so glad someone other than me remembers Daybreakers. Goddamn what a mess of a movie,but it was so much fun. Even when it goes all Benny Hill at the end.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

XMNN posted:

30-60% in Europe and similar numbers elsewhere according to Wikipedia, which is pretty apocalyptic

but it lead to the end of serfdom in England and apparently had some positive environmental effects like reforestation, so maybe we'll end capitalism and solve climate change this time lol

more likely we'll just get the persecution of minorities and recurring epidemics for centuries aspects

It also (maybe) hosed our vowels, so I'm looking forward to whatever menglid nunsonse wi ull and up soonding lyke.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Azza Bamboo posted:

It's a loving flu, we'll get through it and some grannies will die and a few nurses will quit their NHS jobs in favour of the much less stressful cosmetic procedure industry. Life goes on whoop de doo.

It isn't loving flu. It isn't related to flu. It's a completely unrelated virus.

Yeah, it looks and acts a lot like flu - it's a respiratory infection, with symptoms and transmission methods basically the same as flu (apart from the fortnight of infectivity before you show symptoms) - but mislabelling it as flu seems dangerously misleading to me.

Firstly, most people already under-estimate the unpleasantness of flu. I think we all know people who complain they have the flu when at worst they just have a really rotten cold. Real flu knocks you out for a week or more.

Secondly, the diseases it's actually related to, are way nastier than flu. Seasonal flu has a sub-1% death rate, even in the olds. Spanish flu was like 3%. But Covid-19 isn't related to them, so those numbers aren't much of a guide.

What is Covid-19 related to? SARS. Which had a 9% death rate. And MERS. With a 36% death rate. Fortunately Covid-19 doesn't look anywhere near that high, but an off-hand comparison to flu means you're going to severely under-estimate how very deadly it could have been.

Thirdly - it means our existing vaccines and drugs aren't all that useful. We poo poo out a new flu vaccine every year, in millions and millions of doses. We don't have that kind of knowledge and experience for coronavirus, hence the long predicted timescale on getting a vaccine. Ditto antivirals. We have antivirals for flu (they're kinda rubbish) we don't for coronavirus.

This isn't just some pedantic "well, actually". Laymen aren't going to dig through the numbers, so if you call this flu they'll think "oh, i know how bad flu is, i can imagine how bad corona is". We have Trump having to be repeatedly shot down in meetings for trying to use the flu vaccine for this.

Sorry to jump down your throat - I've seen this in a lot of different places and it pisses me off.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

wooger posted:

Dead people are just meat. An insulated bin that maintains a higher functioning temperature can digest meat fine. See https://www.hotbincomposting.com/

Made out of meat? But what does the thinking? The meat?

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Tsietisin posted:

How have Americans not rioted about their employment rights?

What? Like some kinda socialist leech? Real 'muricans don't need rights, just freedom.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

I have job interviews in Swansea and Birmginham over the next fortnight, really not looking forward to hours on the train with a million strangers.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

XMNN posted:

looks like it is actually loving Dominic dummies evopsych horseshit that's pushing this

is there any evidence for this, if people are genuinely scared?

would people getting slightly less vigilant be more of a problem than letting it spread uncontrolled for several weeks extra?

would people be any less likely to lose vigilance if it proves necessary to impose these measures for months anyway when they finally get round to doing it? (e.g. because they let it get even more out of hand before doing anything)

like I can see arguments about disruption, about childcare, about people simply not having the resources to shut themselves away for weeks but "people will get bored of hiding" seems baseless and irrelevant

gently caress it, I've had enough of experts

The actual epidemiolgy expert the Beeb had on after was all "well that's behavioural science, so I'm not gonna comment" which I think is professor speak for "this is clearly nonsense"

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

"I'll protect myself with herd immunity" sounds a lot like "i'll hide from the missile inside the crater" in my book. Yeah it can help, but the major damage is gonna be before that point.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Borrovan posted:

Give me a shout if you fancy a pint after or need restaurant recommendations in Swansea, there's good places for both if you know where to look (& gently caress all if you don't)

Gonna be skyping in after all, thanks anyway dude.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010


Cool, cool. So with the emphasis on kinder, gentler politics, everybody will come out and loudly condemn her, right?



Cool, cool. So we're now changing health policy in response to public outcry, not on scientific evidence? (Obviously this is the right decision, but clearly made for the wrong reasons)

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

My brother-in-law works in A&E and is pretty terrified about the governments response. Testing protocols are all over the place - guidelines say to test anyone from Vietnam, even though vietnam has only 60 cases. Says its almost certain medical staff are going to get infected, they're basically sacrifical lambs at this point.

The good news is, A&E was virtually deserted on a friday night, which is unheard of.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

At a-level viruses were "bad-news in a protein coat".

I find it funny that computer viruses were named as an analogy to biological viruses, but in modern times the analogy is way more useful the other way round. Viruses are bits of broken code that hijack your OS.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

All greetings will be replaced with tapping your right feet together.

People feeling continental can tap both sides, whilst making loud kissing noises.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010


Didn't many of the poorer folk actually eat better during rationing than before? Almost like socialism works.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Boy I sure am glad the government held off for a week before making this entirely foreseeable decision

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010


I'm confused, where's the line for the number of beds?

Oh.

Oh.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Jose posted:

My mental health has improved dramatically but I'm not sure if it's because im.sort of drunk or just rewatching the expanse and not reading coronavirus news

God can you imagine how good Belter's would be with coronavirus? All merrily isolating themselves in different compartments/spaceships, shooting any well walla who tries to break quarantine. Na beltalowda gonya stockpile toilet paper.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

God dammit who left all these bloody Ides here? Ffs, you had one job!

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Frances "I'm a lush" Barber never fails to disappoint:

https://twitter.com/JamesEFoster/status/1240558780238217216?s=20

Kinder. Politics.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010


It feels like they're deliberately giving this vague advice on the expectation that loads of people won't follow it, and so once the dust settles they'll have a convenient scapegoat. "Oh it wasn;t us, it was those bloody Wetherspoons that killed yer gran"


Less conspiratorially, it's probably just hands-off ideology, and they just fundamentally don't think governments should be doing things.

But it's also the other thing.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Only pc game I've got close to paying that for was a goon recommended disco Elysium which was so poo poo I stopped playing after about 10 mins.

Well somebody died to the ceiling fan


it was me. i died to the ceiling fan.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

So what's happened in the past 24 hours that we're (probably) going from "oh please don't stand too close together" to full on lockdown?

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Jesus christ could he have delivered that funerals line any worse?

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Pretty great infographic on BBC showing the massive effect of cutting transmission. Kind of hoping that one of the experts is gonna get out a chessboard and a bag of rice

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Is there a transcript anywhere? I want to know the wording but don't want to have to look at his stupid face.

BBC are saying it's any non essential work, but Reddit is saying it's any work 'that can't be done from home.'

"We will be banning all weddings, baptisms, all kinds of religious events. [pause] Except funerals! "

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Actually, conversely... why is the reported infection rate so *low* in this country? I know there's a fair few rich worried well getting tests, but as the NHS are apparently only testing people with shortness of breath bad enough to require hospitalisation surely the rate of positive results should be sky-high?

Isn't this just because we're still doing a pitiful number of tests? Or do we have numbers showing how many tests are coming back negative?

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Guardian is now reporting that the tests are coming (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days) so if its bullshit it's official bullshit.

The tests look like ELISAs, basically pregnancy tests with the "pregnant" bit swapped out. They're pretty easy to mass-produce, but I'm still impressed/sceptical at the sudden turn around from "no tests" to "3.5m"

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Pablo Bluth posted:

The press coverage does make them sound like it's testing for generic class of antibodies but I came across this which says it is covid-19 specific antibodies.
https://www.biopanda.co.uk/php/products/rapid/infectious_diseases/covid19.php

Oh yeah, the graun get a special award for:

quote:

The test detects the presence of IGM, an antibody that arises very early on in the infection, and IGG, which is increased in the body’s response to the virus. The results of some of the tests on order can be read by anyone, but others would need to be interpreted by healthcare professionals.

Which is so close to being accurate, but also so very, very, wrong.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Comrade Fakename posted:

Love to receive an email that starts "I am not a crank:" and then explains why the Coronavirus is a right-wing hoax.

A right wing hoax? That's at least novel

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Me when I'm sowing:



Me when I'm reaping:

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Consciousness is awesome/a horrifying nightmare all on its own merits, spinning it as "a way for the universe to know itself" feels like transcendental woo that just obscures the real questions.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Kind of annoyed at all the reports of UCL developing brand new completely never-before-seen respirators in three and a half minutes, no red tape needed.

They reverse-engineered an existing device and figured out how to make it with their existing tech. Which is still really cool! But it feels like its being spun in kind of a jingoistic way.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Answers Me posted:

Dominic Raab is a terrible orator isn't he. Sounds like an undergrad winging a presentation. Most likely because, despite the expensive education, he's actually thick as poo poo.

It's so flat and lifeless, its awful.

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Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010


I know a bunch of university labs that have been donating RNA extraction kits and qPCR machines to hospitals, and the manufacturers have said they're in the process of massively ramping up production, so there's clearly a bottleneck somewhere. But "there is/isn't a shortage of reagents" is a loving useless soundbite as neither Gove or Peston say what the reagents are.

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