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Who is your first pick in the deputy leadership race?
This poll is closed.
R. Allin-Khan 6 1.60%
R. Burgon 80 21.33%
D. Butler 72 19.20%
A. Rayner 35 9.33%
I. Murray 5 1.33%
P. Flaps 177 47.20%
Total: 375 votes
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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I went to the whitby museum today and it's like 1/3rd Jet 1/3rd rocks 1/3rd poo poo people nicked from the americas, africa, and australasia.

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

If your int ends up that low I guess you have a bright career as a long range mind flayer detector.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Doesn't that put you at risk of instant death from some diseases if they reduce your con enough?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Angepain posted:

does this mean britain is impervious from coronavirus now we're at 365 con

Depends, I think britain is pretty low on all the other stats and I think if your reduce those to zero it has fun effects too. 0 int I think makes you brain dead for example :v:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013


What kind of freak fries the eggs into the bacon...

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It's an interesting contrast with the wallace willy.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013



look they were selling them in bulk down at the stonemasons and I bought them just find some way to work them into the design

or: "gothic revival is the architectural equivalent of a fungal infection"

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Oh yeah I like the ones where they finish the exterior with something, or I guess just if the stonework is very good and well preserved, but the excessive ornamentation combined with rough stonework and staining with age just makes it look like a mess.

If you paint it white it looks much better, IMO:



But then I'm basically just saying "Muslims/Indians did it better"

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I like riding past the "come see my cat" bunker on the ECML up to scotland.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Definitely going to be a crowd of pensioners banging on the sainsbury's demanding to know why they aren't open.

Like a really naff dawn of the dead.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

If it was may's government, yes, but hard to tell with boris. He's in a constant battle between laziness and stupidity.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I have seen the documentary "resident evil"

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Peter Thiel is salivating at the prospect I'm sure.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Did either of those switch off china?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I'm mostly worried for a friend who is old, has COPD, and is immunocompromised. She's basically the worst possible target for the disease. Really hope I don't have to bury her this year :(

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Anyone else secretly thinking 'phew, Labour govt aren't having to manage these crises (floods, viruses, economy collapse, brexit etc) and getting the blame' while having to cope with PLP shenanigans, anti-semitism smears and so on?

Slightly, though equally I'm a bit concerned that it might kill a shitload more people as a result. Also not convinced the labour leadership will actually capitalize on the godawful tory response.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I guess it depends whether you expect the PLP to take the opportunity to gently caress the corbyn administration and its wider project with opportunistic sniping as it tried to manage the crisis.

Which, I mean, I absolutely would expect.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Definitely should lock hilary clinton up tho.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Pesky Splinter posted:


How reassuring to see people trying to profit during an epidemic.

And at least the kink industry is doing well.
:nws: for :butt:




Sadly, the same cannot be said for the proud, British Dogging community:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1234543541059231744

Nothing sells me on the efficacy of your giant rubber suit than having to wear a smaller sealed mask inside of it.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I dunno teaching kids how to self organize during crises sounds almost revolutionary :v:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Don't they still make new filters for old soviet GP5s and poo poo?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Stitch together your own NBC suit entirely out of GP-5s. More filters means more protection.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I suppose lawson has a plan insofar as you can't die of coronavirus if you have melted into the core of the earth.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

My sixty-year-old jewish american mom is marrying some equally old english dude and she is probably going to his place in Devon. Is there anything I should know? I don't trust you folks, especially because now brexit is officially happened?

Old, lives in devon, owns house, probably megatory, do not trust.

Also definitely get involved in sectarian conflict with cornwall over how to put cream and jam on scones.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Mar 3, 2020

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Bardeh posted:

My boss came in this morning (small business, he owns it) and told us flat out that if we have to self-isolate 'you can gently caress off if you think I'm paying you.'

Go in and cough all over him. Even if you're not actually sick.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I know literally nobody who wears shoes in the house...

Is this a southern thing?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I will grant that it is, at least, acceptable in antarctica.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Making other people take their shoes off is odd (though it is polite, I think, to do so if you're stopping) but taking your own shoes off when you come in is definitely the done thing. And my granny was the biggest stickler for it because she didn't want to clean the carpets.

Also unless you're filthy IMO feet are just bottom hands.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Mar 3, 2020

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Love too gargle out god save the queen with a mouthful of baked beans while saluting the flag and crying.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Stand with your legs apart to intimidate the virus and also allow clearance to poo poo yourself when you catch it.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

We can make our own, we don't need to take theirs.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

That's impressive levels of dexterity cos if I tried that I'd just kick people in the nose.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

fuctifino posted:

LOL. What a lazy poo poo... It's not as though there are important things to be Prime Ministering...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/03/boris-johnson-paternity-leave-prime-minister-carrie-symonds

Keep saying he's just lazy. Though also technically the whole government takes summer off anyway :v:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Thanks I hate it.

E: directed at twisto but also applicable in a general upthread direction i guess.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

You could make beef tablet which is just jerky.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Lungboy posted:

What's the story behind this?

Some counterrevolutionary elements within our thread have questioned the validity of the chocolate orange as a tool of revolutionary struggle. I have suggested to the commissariat that such revisionist ideology ought to be purged, however as yet no action has been taken.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

RockyB posted:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/generation-must-start-thinking-others-stop-spread-coronavirus/


Anybody got access to this, I want to get good and angry at the woman who claimed the kid lying on the floor in A&E was faked.

quote:

You can tell that this coronavirus thing has got serious. Not because the Prime Minister yesterday published a “battle plan”, but because the French have banned kissing. That doesn’t mean giving up snogging their mistresses, obviously. There are limits to the sacrifices anyone can reasonably be expected to make. But those two-cheek pecks for acquaintances have been suspended, as is the Anglo-Saxon handshake, while governments and virologists figure out whether we’ll all be dead in six weeks, or should press pause on that holiday.

Meanwhile, we are supposed to tap feet or bump elbows to greet one another and generally carry on like a scout unit trying to master Ging Gang Goolie.

Not me. Frankly, I was damned if I was going to panic. No way would I be scouring the internet for a stupid face-mask that offered little or no protection. As for global markets, they were showing a pathetic lack of gumption. A few thousands people catch a cold from bat soup in China and the Dow Jones is in intensive care before you can say, “Bless you!”

What is wrong with people? In the West, life is so comfortable that we have forgotten what real peril is and the merest wrinkle turns into a mountain range.

Bang on cue, my favourite New York hypochondriac Facetimed me to share a personal triumph. Sheryl told me that she had managed to purchase five hazmat suits to protect her immediate family from the coronavirus.

“What, not those weird decontamination outfits they wear alien films?” I asked.

“Yeah, those. You think I’m ridiculous, right?”

“No, err, is hazmat kosher?”

Yes, of course I thought she was being ridiculous. And then I went to Waitrose. Picking up some hand sanitiser seemed like a sensible precaution, particularly as I was heading into London where escalator handrails have been touched by a million clammy mitts. The shelves were not just empty, they appeared to have been recently ransacked. Nearby soap dispensers were all cleaned out as well. It was eerie. The feeling of relief that surged through me when I found one remaining anti-bacterial liquid which, in the melee, had found its way into the shampoos, was almost overwhelming.
Coronavirus fatality rate

This competitive fear of not being fearful enough – or less well-protected than others - took me by surprise. Covid-19 is highly contagious, but so is panic. Overnight, I became obsessive. I bought rubbing alcohol to sterilise our electronic devices. I used my my sleeve to open doors. I lectured my family on washing their hands. The touching sight of a line of women at the basins in the John Lewis loos, all silently mouthing the first verse of God Save the Queen as they soaped fingers and thumbs, was proof that I was not alone. We were all doing our bit.

But it was more than that. Faced with this new threat, something atavistic kicked in. People started stockpiling food and medical supplies. Shortages meant higher prices. One London pharmacy was caught selling a Ł1.99 hand sanitizer for just under thirty quid. When I managed to bag a box of antimicrobial wipes at vast expense on Amazon, I actually found myself gloating. After all, antimicrobial is SO superior to antibacterial for combatting corona!

What on earth had got into me? I was behaving exactly like the kind of selfish, panic-stricken nightmare I usually despise.

The fact is the coronavirus presents us with a challenge that is as much about the duty we owe to one another as it is about preventing its spread. The two are intimately linked. To keep down the number of fatalities, those of us who are stronger are going to have to put the interests of the weakest first. Britons will need to show stoicism, patience and resourcefulness - virtues we may suspect are in short supply if not extinct. Is our selfish, highly individualistic, me-me-me society up to meeting that challenge?

Despite what you may have read, this is neither the Black Death nor one of those terrifying fevers that carried off Thomas Cromwell’s wife and small daughters in Hilary Mantel’s Wolf Hall trilogy. Covid-19 may be making headlines, but what they don’t tell you is that many thousands who have already had it are now fully recovered. Seasonal influenza kills between 290,000 and 650,00 people worldwide each year. There are 90,000 coronavirus cases so far, with about 3,000 deaths.

The latter does seem to have a higher fatality rate, but some groups are a lot more vulnerable than others. Eight out of ten people who get corona will have only a mild illness. (Worth bearing in mind when you are engaged in a fight to the death for the last packet of Nurofen). Children rarely catch it, thank goodness. The people at the greatest risk are the elderly and those with compromised immune systems.

To be blunt, if a generally healthy person with symptoms of the coronavirus turns up at A&E demanding treatment, chances are they will infect a vulnerable person – perhaps someone undergoing chemotherapy - who won’t be able to fight it off. Such hospital places as are available should rightfully belong to the very sick and older people who will need all the help they can get. As Marc Lipsitch, the director of the US’s Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, puts it: “The emphasis has shifted from stopping them from infecting us to stopping us from infecting each other.”

Can the “Me” generation, who have never been denied anything in their privileged lives, be relied upon to self-isolate or will they start whingeing how “stressy” it all is when the authorities try to curtail their freedom to even a minor degree? The first person to get coronavirus in North Korea was shot. An option some of us might wish was available here when that thoughtless prat on the train coughs enthusiastically over his elderly neighbour.

I’m afraid that the current mumps epidemic shows what we’re up against. Two of my friend’s children, both in their twenties, are among the thousands of students who have suffered in the past year from this horrible disease. Mumps had largely died out, but there was a fall in the uptake of the MMR vaccine in the Nineties, when the current generation of students was born. My friend’s son and daughter were both vaccinated, but it turns out that wasn’t enough to protect them against this resurgent strain.

Those of us who obediently did as we were told, now see our own youngsters put in danger by those self-righteous anti-vaxxers who watched alarmist videos online and decided they knew better than the medical establishment. Their little darlings would be protected, or so they thought, because enough responsible parents would make sure their children had the jab and thus guarantee herd immunity.

Only it hasn’t worked out like that. Believing that not vaccinating little Harry or Hettie is more important than the chance they could get measles, give it to a pregnant woman and blind her unborn baby, is the height of selfish individualism - one of the most aggressive and incurable sicknesses of the modern age.

Well, the coronavirus now demands that we take one for the herd. If we all do as we’re told to by the Chief Medical Officer, if we pull together, follow sensible advice and modify our behaviour; if we accept that our non-emergency operation may be cancelled because doctors and nurses are needed elsewhere, then countless lives will be saved. Even if everyone just washed their hands it would reduce the spread of infection by over half. That’s an awful lot of beloved grandparents not put in mortal danger.

It’s up to the younger and the stronger now to repay the sacrifices of the older generation with sacrifices of their own. To prove that, when it really matters, the “Me” generation can become “Us”. Too many lives are in their sanitised hands.

Allison Pearson's columns are published on telegraph.co.uk at 7pm every Tuesday.


The telegraph is a bad website because you can bypass the paywall by halting the page load half way through. I am not going to read the article because my preferred form of cognitohazard causes nightmares, not ulcers, but have fun!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I suspect it's because the only people who would read it do not know how does computer, therefore the solution is good enough.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Up until recently you could read the Independent premium without registering by right clicking, view page source, copy an pasting into notetab lite, pressing the 'remove all html tags' to remove all the crud (which is why I say Notetab Lite' - not aware of another free text editor that will easily zap all the html crud) and then read it.
They seemed to have tightened up though I've managed to catch a couple.

Firefox either lets you, or as a function of one the plugins, possibly the ad blocker, go through pages in real time and disable elements, quite handy for blocker techniques that don't actually prevent the data from loading.

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Josef bugman posted:

I don't get this. Why don't older people ever seem to want to change/ improve? If someone was telling me something was wrong I would at least listen.

Because you don't get to be old, generally, by doubting yourself. Most people get there by cruising around on autopilot their entire lives and never actually being challenged on their dumb impulses.

You are an uncommonly self questioning person.

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