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The worst submarine posted:i lurk c-spam for the funny pictures and the trump laughs, seeing all the bernie-or-busters made me upset because i didn't understand. thanks to Jewel Repetition I get it a little now, but not voting still feels like a silly position. obviously a lot of people here really feel like it's the correct non-silly position, so there's a disconnect! You shouldn't vote for Joe Biden because he's a child molesting racist, hth
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The worst submarine posted:i lurk c-spam for the funny pictures and the trump laughs, seeing all the bernie-or-busters made me upset because i didn't understand. thanks to Jewel Repetition I get it a little now, but not voting still feels like a silly position. obviously a lot of people here really feel like it's the correct non-silly position, so there's a disconnect! I think you need to come to grip with the fact that the USA is the bad guys. Biden Is Trump with a mask of decorum. Trump is a more fitting president for us because it tells the world the truth: they should not look to us for leadership or assistance in saving the earth. Trump is like a giant "WARNING - TOXIC" label on our country and affixing that label is the moral thing to do.
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The worst submarine posted:i lurk c-spam for the funny pictures and the trump laughs, seeing all the bernie-or-busters made me upset because i didn't understand. thanks to Jewel Repetition I get it a little now, but not voting still feels like a silly position. obviously a lot of people here really feel like it's the correct non-silly position, so there's a disconnect! Look at it this way, lesser evil is not working currently. If you give your vote by default, then the party doesn't need to actually address your needs because they already have your vote. We have less than a decade of elections left to deal with that climate change problem, and we got a whole slew of problems to fix in addition. Basically, we need to show we're necessary and we have demands that need to be met, and we can't do that while supporting a candidate counter to our interests. That's the politics game reason. The moral reason is jesus gently caress, he was awful when his brain was working, I can't vote or support this elder abuse of someone who is clearly sundowning.
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The worst submarine posted:i lurk c-spam for the funny pictures and the trump laughs, seeing all the bernie-or-busters made me upset because i didn't understand. thanks to Jewel Repetition I get it a little now, but not voting still feels like a silly position. obviously a lot of people here really feel like it's the correct non-silly position, so there's a disconnect! 1. in a vacuum, biden is not as bad as trump, even if he's really bad. 2. trump is bad but in many regards he's at least, the least bad modern day republican president 3. true 4. also true, probably AOC 5. sure it does
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The worst submarine posted:i lurk c-spam for the funny pictures and the trump laughs, seeing all the bernie-or-busters made me upset because i didn't understand. thanks to Jewel Repetition I get it a little now, but not voting still feels like a silly position. obviously a lot of people here really feel like it's the correct non-silly position, so there's a disconnect! 1. When people say Biden's as bad as Trump it is, in most cases, exaggeration for effect. But the difference between Trump and Biden is much, much smaller than it should be 2. As far as Republican presidents go, Trump isn't exceptional, and compared to his predecessor GWB, he's done significantly less damage 3. Parties do adjust based on who wins and who loses presidential contests. This has happened constantly in history but the most recent examples are Republicans become more Trumplike/populist, at least in rhetoric, and Democrats adopting more Bernie talking points after 2016 (though not nearly enough). The most nefarious example, under the shadow of which we're still living, is Democrats becoming "third way" after Bill Clinton won in 1992 4. It has been over a century since a US president willingly stopped at 4 years, and sitting presidents are not primaried. Despite Biden's mental decline he doesn't seem likely to up and die (see Reagan). So yes, him being elected this year would almost certainly prevent a progressive candidate from winning in 2024 5. Voting does matter
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The worst submarine posted:i lurk c-spam for the funny pictures and the trump laughs, seeing all the bernie-or-busters made me upset because i didn't understand. thanks to Jewel Repetition I get it a little now, but not voting still feels like a silly position. obviously a lot of people here really feel like it's the correct non-silly position, so there's a disconnect! The main argument is leverage. Literally the only reason centrists are constantly touted as more "electable" is because moderates/independents make it very well known that they will take their votes elsewhere if you ignore them. As a result the DNC ist more interested in catering to Republicans than their own left wing. That's hosed up. If Biden succeeds, it will send the message that this is a winning strategy. The Democrats have absolutely no reason to embrace progressive reform after that, and they never will. Also it's obvious that the DNC is at the very least complicit in voter suppression so as far as I'm concerned they can go gently caress themselves.
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thank you all for the considerate replies, I'll make sure to read & give them thought soon (not having a good day today) ❤️
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The worst submarine posted:i lurk c-spam for the funny pictures and the trump laughs, seeing all the bernie-or-busters made me upset because i didn't understand. thanks to Jewel Repetition I get it a little now, but not voting still feels like a silly position. obviously a lot of people here really feel like it's the correct non-silly position, so there's a disconnect! • Pushed us into the Iraq War. Is a fan of Eternal War. (Although he himself is a 5-time draft dodger.) • Created barriers to bankruptcies for poor people. • Made student loans immune from bankruptcies. • Tried to kill social security. (Four times.) • Pushed the Crime Bill, explicitly moved to expand the prison population. (Including stopping parole, and trying to ban bail.) • Helped push the US into having the highest per-capita prison population in the world. • Is pushing for oil industry fracking (still, in 2020). • Completely anti-womens choice (Anti Roe-Wade, Pro-Hyde, publically claims women do not have rights to their own bodies). • Pushed various "No Child Left Behind" stuff while making fun of poor children. • Drafted the original PATRIOT Act. (Under another name.) • Anti-privacy, pro-surveillance state. • Also anti-encyption (presumably because his friends in the banks dont want to be held accountable, and his friends in the police state hate it). • Pro War on Drugs. (Actually was the one pushing Reagan to the right on this. Pushed the RAVE Act.) • Pro Death Penalty. (Actively worked to expand the death penalty.) • Claims cannabis is a "gateway drug" and wants to go back to the no-brakes War on Biden is objectively worse than Trump. That is in no way defending Trump. Its just that Trump is a self-centered evil, not a strategic evil. Biden is also a lifelong racist. He is so bad that henry Kissinger was trying to teach him ethics. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-us-has-no-obligation-biden-fought-to-keep-vietnamese-refugees-out-of-the-us quote:"Kissinger said there were “Vietnamese to whom we have an obligation,” but Biden responded: “I will vote for any amount for getting the Americans out. I don’t want it mixed with getting the Vietnamese out.” "
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The worst submarine posted:thank you all for the considerate replies, I'll make sure to read & give them thought soon (not having a good day today) ❤️ senidn sum <3 your way
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when you cast your vote you're endorsing a certain programme and accepting your place as a part of a coalition of interests represented by the candidate or party. the sanders project very much is to try and reform that coalition away from the financial sector and over to labour and a broader civil society engagement. this is very risky, in part because of the outsized power of capital in influencing american elections through the mass media concerns, professional ideologues in think tanks and straight-up paid advertising, but it's necessary because the financial sector is never going to accept a precedent being established for just removing huge revenue streams. i suspect that a lot of the electability concerns are actually about this - an assertion that capital's position in american politics is unassailable. these people are effectively accepting that the usa is a one-party state and think anyone believing different are naive. joe biden, beyond just accepting financial services as part of the democratic coalition, has been their champion over many years. if one supports the sanders realignment of american politics, joe biden is the biggest enemy available and his victory a disaster
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https://twitter.com/KThomasDC/status/1239386937741508610 thank you Joe
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Maya Fey posted:If Obama lead directly to Trump what kind of republican do you think comes after 4 years of austerity under Biden Dear Leader Tom Cotton
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Biden's health plan is so bad it would actively damage the M4A movement by making people hate "government involvement in healthcare" more
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Forceholy posted:Dear Leader Tom Cotton Supreme Letter Lyin' Ted
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Still waiting for the dehumanization
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Lawman 0 posted:Still waiting for the dehumanization I dehumanized when I looked at the Super Tuesday polls and rehumanized when I made the Nojoe thread
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anyone ever notice that we don't hear about many protesters at bernie sanders events?
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Well that Nazi...
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And BLM 4 years ago, i'm sure there are many many more
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taqueso posted:Well that Nazi... Oh no Not the Nazi vote. HOW WILL HE WIN WITHOUT THAT
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In November I am voting for Joe Biden, because I am the last NeverTrump Republican on earth (who doesn’t work for the New York Times)
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General Dog posted:In November I am voting for Joe Biden, because I am the last NeverTrump Republican on earth (who doesn’t work for the New York Times) Rude
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General Dog posted:In November I am voting for Joe Biden, because I am the last NeverTrump Republican on earth (who doesn’t work for the New York Times) oh my god he's real
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applying for $20 million dollar grant from the smithsonian to build a protected, enclosed habitat so that we can safeguard the last remaining nevertrump republican
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We need to be focusing on targeted tax credits for people in economically developing areas.
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Chuka Umana posted:We need to be focusing on targeted tax credits for people in economically developing areas. I hear wall street is a economically struggling area
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That's what my constituents are telling me
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Okay, but none of you can deny the basic facts that the primary electorate rejected Bernie is every way.
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General Dog posted:In November I am voting for Joe Biden, because I am the last NeverTrump Republican on earth (who doesn’t work for the New York Times) im voting for trumo to counteract your vote owned b*tch
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Chuka Umana posted:Okay, but none of you can deny the basic facts that the primary electorate rejected Bernie is every way. except for those states he won and the fact young people overwhelmingly voted for him
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Percelus posted:except for those states he won and the fact young people overwhelmingly voted for him Young people are the most unreliable voting bloc, any strategy built on youth turnout is going to fail unfortunately.
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Chuka Umana posted:We need to be focusing on targeted tax credits for people in economically developing areas. This but ironically
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Chuka Umana posted:Young people are the most unreliable voting bloc, any strategy built on youth turnout is going to fail unfortunately. the strategies based on old people arent working either.
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Chuka Umana posted:Okay, but none of you can deny the basic facts that the primary electorate rejected Bernie is every way. you are greatly underestimating cspam posters' powers of denial, one of the many blessings of the holy brain worms
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Chuka Umana posted:Okay, but none of you can deny the basic facts that the primary electorate rejected Bernie is every way. How wrong you are. Denied.
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Humans are amazing creatures who can deny anything!
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Chuka Umana posted:Okay, but none of you can deny the basic facts that the primary electorate rejected Bernie is every way. u can't stop me
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Chuka Umana posted:Okay, but none of you can deny the basic facts that the primary electorate rejected Bernie is every way. Bernie lost the primary but "in every way" implies either that every demographic voted against him or that people are against all of his policies
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