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SlothfulCobra posted:There really is a surprising lack of official fluff for things in the sequel trilogy when you go digging. I guess that's because Disney is much more barebones and heistant about its new EU. It's unwilling to greenlight people writing weird things about fictional engineering or silly stories of corporate drama. But but the last jedi has an entire subplot about the space military industrial complex and how they were getting rich off of selling weapons to both sides so they could more effectively whip adorable giant horsedonkeys to death in some kind of stadium setting.
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Man, you'd almost think that there was no coherent idea throughout either the expanded universe material or any of the huge big budget movies for how anything fits together, and even the internal logic of The Last Jedi doesn't seem to make any sense with a ragged resistance with exactly zero external support somehow sustaining a portion of the big money military industrial complex. But that would be ridiculous, nobody would pump an obscene amount of money into such a huge storytelling project without some basic ideas about the story they wanted to tell.
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Who What Now posted:The bombing missions were the most fun in Rogue Squadron. *dies from 487 homing missiles fired by auto-turrets that can't be seen through the draw distance fog* DMorbid fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Mar 26, 2020 |
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Chris Pistols posted:loving love Y-wings. Easily my favourite ship. Rise of Skywalker did have new updated resistance Y-wings and b-wings. They only had a total of 2 seconds of screen time tho so it's hard to tell.
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banned from Starbucks posted:Rise of Skywalker did have new updated resistance Y-wings and b-wings. They only had a total of 2 seconds of screen time tho so it's hard to tell. were they just painted differently? God I hate that. Old EU had like, the New Republic getting more money and trying some wacky designs- not all of which worked- which is a natural progression. New EU "We painted X-Wings black."
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SRQ posted:were they just painted differently? Hard to tell whats different about the RoS Y-wing i dont own the movie to screencap it yet but the B-wing had a different engine design in the back with 2 engines instead of the 4 it had in jedi edit: youtube clip looks like the y-wing has a different turret on the top but otherwise pretty identical
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Mar 28, 2020 00:46
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they should have ditched all of the original movie fighters and gone hog wild making new ones
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It would have been super-cool for them to be like, Old Republic throwback designs. In fact that woulda been rad as gently caress as a visual style altogether and make sense in canon. Or if not that, the successful New Republic adopting bits of Imperial design now that they're in charge. X-Wings with solar panels on the wings and ion engines, etc. one of a trillion missed opportunities.
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Squizzle posted:they should have ditched all of the original movie fighters and gone hog wild making new ones But N O S T A L G I A
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Doc M posted:"They're slow, but they can take a beating!" lol if you hadn't played the game so much you knew their positions by heart
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aren't y wings always loving up? like you gotta constantly retune the loving ion cannons If i were a star wars tech at some point i'd be like, gently caress this i'm not putting the covers back on shields are good enough
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The Y wing was the only Star Wars vehicle I had as a kid and I immediately broke the back of the engine extensions off and since I didn’t have any other space toys I pretended it was a gun and would play war with it instead.
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A while back, I picked up one of those Star Wars Cross Sections books for pretty cheap at a used bookstore.  It's fun enough to look at, but the Y-Wing page caught my eye. Bunch of techno-junk sure, but over in the corner there, ZOOM AND ENHANCE!  So they repackage the pictures in later editions while tweaking the words a bit, but this was first published in 1998, long after the original movies, but also before the prequels. Near as I can tell, the Clone Wars Y-Wing only first popped up in the 2008 TV series, nearly 10 years later, and of course their version is a lot different.  So the idea of the Y-Wing having been stripped-down was definitely around before its official early version was put out onscreen.
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I think this came up in the thread before but I still love the notation on that page that says "Custom Turbo Modifications" given the Y-Wing isn't exactly known for blazing speed.
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Ha I was right, lazy rebel techs
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Polaron posted:I think this came up in the thread before but I still love the notation on that page that says "Custom Turbo Modifications" given the Y-Wing isn't exactly known for blazing speed. The modification was removing the turbo.
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https://twitter.com/TheSpaceshipper/status/1440413021222760457
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SlothfulCobra posted:There was a guy who did an interesting video of his own idea of what a new version of the Y-Wing could be like, after it had been long-surpassed as a bomber, and he designed it to be a long-range scout and transport. I like it since it's not only a nice little design, it essentially gives the Y-Wing the role of the X-Wing's predecessor, the ARC-170. I love this, give me the new ywing that fucks
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The Y-wing is the workhorse of the rebel fleet, OP.
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Is an ion cannon a huge ground based weapon that can take out a star destroyer in one shot or something a y wing can have two of?
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ikanreed posted:Is an ion cannon a huge ground based weapon that can take out a star destroyer in one shot or something a y wing can have two of? You just need a bigger Y wing.
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ikanreed posted:Is an ion cannon a huge ground based weapon that can take out a star destroyer in one shot or something a y wing can have two of? is a blaster something mounted on vehicles or a gun han Solo can carry around it's all about relative strength
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ikanreed posted:Is an ion cannon a huge ground based weapon that can take out a star destroyer in one shot or something a y wing can have two of? you can have different sizes of the same kind of weapon  
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Space battering ram is just a deathstar that can only shoot doors.
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Polaron posted:I think this came up in the thread before but I still love the notation on that page that says "Custom Turbo Modifications" given the Y-Wing isn't exactly known for blazing speed. is that reputation from the X-Wing video games? because it feels like that thing ought to be fast, it's got those huge fuckin' engines on the sides
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we see a Y-Wing bag two TIE-Interceptors and keep up in the tunnel run in Return Of The Jedi
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Yeah, the Y-Wing was designed to resemble a stripped-down hot rod, while the X-Wing was a space dragster. The decision to make the Y-Wing slow and bulky only happened when they needed to differentiate the ships in the games. ILM put together a speed/maneuverability chart for ROTJ to help them keep track of how each of the ships were supposed to move, and the X-Wing, Y-Wing, and TIE Fighter are all roughly the same:  The Behind the Magic CD-Rom from the late 90's had a similar chart, but incorporated some of the speeds from the games. 
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The original movie speed guide for filming has the ywing and xwing and tie fighters at the same speed with the awing and tie int faster. the games introduced the ywing as a slower ship to differentiate them and make it more of a classic fighter bomber but we all know it's a space hot rod that fucks edit: wow beaten and with the actual sources 😩😩😩
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Pollyanna posted:y wing good That's right.
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DMorbid posted:"They're slow, but they can take a beating!" Sullust was one of the harshest levels in gaming imo.
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Robot Style posted:Yeah, the Y-Wing was designed to resemble a stripped-down hot rod, while the X-Wing was a space dragster. The decision to make the Y-Wing slow and bulky only happened when they needed to differentiate the ships in the games. That's actually pretty interesting I never knew that was a later decision.
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Lawman 0 posted:Sullust was one of the harshest levels in gaming imo. Protecting the AT-PTs on Fest was exponentially harder. Sullest was difficult but didn’t piss me off nearly as much.
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Robot Style posted:Yeah, the Y-Wing was designed to resemble a stripped-down hot rod, while the X-Wing was a space dragster. The decision to make the Y-Wing slow and bulky only happened when they needed to differentiate the ships in the games. You look at the Y-wing and the goddamn thing is like completely made of engines, and somebody decided, "yeah, that's the slow bruiser brick of a ship right there."
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At least make it like 50% larger than an X-Wing, like a WW2 bomber and escort would be.
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EC Henry's idea for a sequel Y-Wing kind of does this, but turns it into more of a long range recon vessel rather than just a bomber.
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I always feel weird when I get reminded of the B-Wing canonically being slower and less maneuverable, because I think one of my big memories about it was reading somebody talking about how great it is and how it should replace the X-Wing (although possibly they were just talking up MonCal engineering). Also in Rogue Squadron it doesn't seem particularly slow or unmaneuverable, but I guess there isn't as much frame of reference. The Y-Wing levels have you crawling along on the ground (although my god is the stealth mission easier with the Y-Wing than the airspeeder), while the A-Wing levels have debris and gas clouds to zoom through, but the B-Wing level is just fighting a Star Destroyer in empty space. It kinda made sense to make the Y-Wing worse because of how it failed at the Death Star where the X-Wing succeeded, and maybe if it's a more dedicated bomber it has a bigger payload weighing it down, but it's still a stretch. It would be amazing if there was a video game that allowed you to unlock and turn that turret on top around, or have a gunner to aim it.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It kinda made sense to make the Y-Wing worse because of how it failed at the Death Star where the X-Wing succeeded, and maybe if it's a more dedicated bomber it has a bigger payload weighing it down, but it's still a stretch. It would be amazing if there was a video game that allowed you to unlock and turn that turret on top around, or have a gunner to aim it. A video game like any of the Battlefronts and Squadrons? They all have movable turrets. The gunner is presumably your R2 unit, except on the Republic Y-wings, which are still visibly 2-seaters.
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The Y-wing is the workhorse of the Rebel fleet. It’s not quick or flashy, but it gets the job done. The armor on this ship is extensive, and the shields will protect you from just about anything, which is good because you won’t be going anywhere fast. The Y-wing is used mainly as a bomber, because it can carry a heavy payload of missiles, torpedos, and bombs. The other important weapon is the top-side ion cannon, which rather than destroying a target can disable it for later capture. Our cannons have a computer assisted auto-fire feature, so don’t forget that when you’re in the heat of battle.
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It's kind of interesting that the bubble-turret version of the Y-Wing was removed for story reasons rather than just because the bubble wasn't practical for bluescreen filming. This early version of the ship actually appears to have space for three crewmembers - the pilot, the bubble gunner, and a third area on the bottom. In the second draft script, which this model is based on, there actually are three people in the ship - Luke as the pilot, and Bail Antilles & C-3PO as the gunners, with R2 in the back as usual. In this version of the script, it's actually Threepio who makes the Death Star's destruction possible, when he provides Luke with some trajectory calculations on their bombing run. The idea to make Luke rely on the Force rather than machinery to save the day didn't pop up until the third draft of the script, at which point the extra pilots in the fighters were also removed from the story so Luke was forced to be alone at the end of the run. And thus the single-seater X-Wing was promoted to Hero Ship and the Y-Wing became The Other One.
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Robot Style posted:EC Henry's idea for a sequel Y-Wing kind of does this, but turns it into more of a long range recon vessel rather than just a bomber. fartknocker posted:The Y-wing is the workhorse of the Rebel fleet. It’s not quick or flashy, but it gets the job done. The armor on this ship is extensive, and the shields will protect you from just about anything, which is good because you won’t be going anywhere fast. The Y-wing is used mainly as a bomber, because it can carry a heavy payload of missiles, torpedos, and bombs. The other important weapon is the top-side ion cannon, which rather than destroying a target can disable it for later capture. Our cannons have a computer assisted auto-fire feature, so don’t forget that when you’re in the heat of battle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A82BarMDEf0
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