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Slashers generally aren't my thing, so the only one I've seen is Part 3 because a girlfriend took me to a 3D showing. It was fun, but I didn't really feel the need to see more from that universe. It's probably an objectively bad opinion. But torture porn isn't my thing at all so I went with Friday. e: overall my criteria for voting is somewhere between "Which of these two would I most want to revisit?" and "Which of these would I choose to keep if I had to erase the other from history?" Makes it pretty simple, as you can weigh 1 great film in a series against 5 solid films in another without too much hemming and hawing. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Okay now things are getting difficult  It's finally at the point where I'm going to have to make some tough choices about my favorites vs. series that are objectively better or more important.
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Re-Animator is typically more my thing than Alien, but since Prometheus is in there it's impossible for me to vote for Re-Animator.
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Apr 11, 2020 23:11
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Reading the OP, it's petty clear about what does and doesn't count: it has to both be in continuity and be an official part of the series. The Thing is not in contention because the reboot is part of a different continuity than the original, and while Snyder's film is part of the NOTLD franchise, it isn't part of the original series' continuity so it doesn't count. Prometheus does count because it's part of the same continuity as Alien from a rights and creative standpoint. Remakes and reboots would have to qualify as a separate entrant with 3+ films in the rebooted continuity, but I can't think of a single horror franchise that's made it past 2 films in a rebooted continuity. As for the official part, the very basis of a franchise implies ownership—some person, company, or legal entity overseeing the series. If there is no continuity of ownership, creative or legal, then it's just a fan film, as we see with the extended NOTLD stuff. So based on the rules set up in the OP, even if something tries to adhere to continuity but isn't connected to the original from a legal or creative standpoint, it doesn't count. No "spiritual sequels" here—though I'd personally make an exception if the original creators were involved, which I'm sure there are a handful of examples. But Soldier is not a part of the Blade Runner franchise despite the handful of loose connections. I can write a Sherlock Holmes story because the character is in the public domain, but nobody is going to argue that it's officially part of the series just because I say it is and tried to keep my events technically in continuity with the events of the original stories. But because not all original Sherlock Holmes stories are in the public domain yet, the Conan Doyle Estate Ltd can still create a new official title in that series. At least until 2023 when those free up, after which there is no such thing as continuity in that series moving forward. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Apr 13, 2020 |
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Apr 13, 2020 19:39
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Fair, I think that we've all got to use our own interpretation of the rules beyond the official/continuity factors. Personally I would count Halloween III because it had the same creative talent behind it and was intended as part of the franchise at time of creation, but I could easily see someone else not thinking that and having that also be a valid interpretation. To me, if something is part of a branching continuity then everything counts. There are multiple Halloween continuities, but because you could draw a line back to the original and out to another branch it counts in my book. But I'd love to see how voting would split if we pitted each Halloween continuity against the others.
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Apr 13, 2020 20:06
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A big part of the reason that I voted for Ghoulies is because I knew nobody else would and I felt like I had to give it some love. The rest of the reason is that Ghoulies 2 takes place at a haunted carnival and I adore it.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:28
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Yeah Ghoulies 1 is not what you'd expect but it's a fun time. Ghoulies 2 is exactly what you'd expect and it's amazing.
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Apr 16, 2020 18:11
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Everyone who has never seen Ghoulies 2 should watch it tonight and tip the scales 
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Apr 17, 2020 00:42
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The new Texas Chainsaw Massacre 4K is only available in UHD via a rental in the US, right? Has anyone with average internet actually found the image quality of a UHD rental on Amazon to be worthwhile? I'm assuming that standard bandwidth issues would keep me from getting an ideal experience. Is a physical release coming for it sometime? Heard someone marveling about the new transfer and it feels like the ideal opportunity to fill in that particular gap in my watch history.
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Apr 21, 2020 19:08
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Finally got my Evil Dead 4K for a first time watch. I got shown Evil Dead 2 in high school as "basically a better remake of the first one" followed immediately by Army of Darkness. It was way before I really fell for horror, so I didn't bother going back and watching. I'm really excited to catch the original soon, I hear the 4K is revelatory compared to earlier home releases.
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Aw gently caress that's what I thought the home release was  Read an interview with the composer or somesuch on that release and was really excited by it. Ah well, this is still a better way to see it than 99% of people have had.
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Apr 22, 2020 17:14
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Using the TV audio and not having a sound system finally pays off
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Y'all's words on the Evil Dead remake are going to get me to finally watch it. I usually dislike things that sadistic and grisly in that meanspirited way, but if it feels different than the rest than it's probably for me. e: and yeah, Hammer was robbed. I suspect a lot of voters haven't actually seen all that many Hammer films and voted against their assumptions. I'd recommend anyone in that position go and actually catch those flicks. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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Also it starred Sticky Fingaz, whose name still makes me giggle. I just imagine him constantly having just eaten chicken wings and being caught off-guard before he can find a napkin. I voted for Blade because Blade 1 rules and I've never really dug slashers, no matter how clever and well made they may be. Even an excellent metacommentary on a thing I don't care for doesn't move the needle that much for me. Scream is a great movie, but it's just not for me. Blade 2 is okay, I skipped Blade 3, and I only caught some intermittent episodes of the show. But I'm also putting my distorted childhood memories of Blade from the 90s Spider-Man cartoon into the mix because that was some rad stuff when I was 10. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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Man, I love that bright red goo. It perfectly typifies the gothic romantic fantasy of horror over a grim realism.
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Jedit posted:Being pedantic, the best part of Blade Trinity is Parker Posey being called a cockjuggling thundercunt. Is her character particularly promiscuous or is it just a really juvenile and misogynistic joke that's stuck with you for some reason? feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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Apr 24, 2020 16:42
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Fine. Y'all convinced me to switch my answer to Scream.
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The 90s is the least interesting decade of media to me in general, and I find a lot of the films pretty hard to watch—horror especially. I dislike the tone and feel of the era, not to mention how loving atrocious the majority of the flicks are to my aesthetic sensibilities. So it's rare that anything from that era is going to be particularly sacrosanct to me. Blade is more my thing than Scream because I tend to be a monsters guy and not a slasher guy, but neither of them are particularly beloved in my book. Sure, Scream is a way bigger deal objectively, and certainly a better movie objectively, but growing up in the 90s made me hate the whole Dawson's Creek 90s hot sexy slick melodramatic teen attitude, and even though Scream is consciously playing with that it can't escape that it also is that. I'm also not in love with the rave and leather and techno thing that Blade has going on, but I find it a lot more palatable, personally. But for the purposes of this bracket, Scream does make more sense as a winner from pretty much any angle than my own weird biases.
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I forget what it is, but IIRC there's a terrific You Must Remember This episode that covers that period of his life extensively and has a well-researched answer the subject.
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The striptease isn't necessarily defensible but I don't find it particularly objectionable. Yeah, it's cheesecake, but cheesecake fits in that heightened comic book reality that's playing with the seedier and more exploitative parts of old horror comics. It doesn't feel extraneous to me because it fits with the relatable but misguided punk attitudes.
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Shrecknet posted:You misunderstand: Ah, I see. Then yeah I fully disagree with you. To me everything about RotLD is the ideal horror movie from the tone to the production design to the internal logic to the social commentary to the effects to the acting to the humor to the etc etc. If I had to find a single thing to complain about it's that it doesn't lean into its EC Comics visuals as much as it could have when zombies aren't on screen—if the lighting had more of that 4-color Creepshow vibe to it, it would be the perfect movie. That and As it stands it's definitely a top 5 of all time for me. As much as I dig NotLD it's not one I often want to return to because it's a goddamn bummer. But I also haven't seen the rest of the series because I like saving some horror classics for rainy days, but I should probably jump on board with this as an excuse. e: okay, thought of a second thing I'd change: have Suicide live longer, because a passionate punk poet should have as much screentime as possible. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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Sarx posted:I think it's a collection of franchises and when we do this again later maybe they should have entries (There are A LOT of franchises we've left off here anyway) While I agree, most of us are already guilty of not watching all the films we're voting for. I don't want to see the Hammer Frankenstein series lose based on 5% of the voters having seen them.
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The only real surprise there is how much fight Child's Play had in it.
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By far the easiest matchups for me. The righthand series for each of those graphics represents a series I don't really hold near and dear.
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Sarx posted:The fact that they are making a Scream 5 is baffling to me. 30-years-later sequels like The Force Awakens that recycle the first film, or ones like Crystal Skull that fail to capture the magic. That or sequels that ignore everything but the first entry ala the new Halloween. Honestly the latter would be super interesting, if they just wiped 2, 3, and 4 off the map and did a direct sequel to the first, but the ended up getting super meta about the new continuity that "didn't happen." feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 20:31 on May 11, 2020 |
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Its very easy to vote against Jason, so that's a whatever. I feel like I'm going to jump back and forth on the other as we discuss and I do some watching. Alien and Prometheus are both all-timers for me, but the rest of the franchise is very uneven and I recognize that there's a favorite vs. important thing going on here. But everything after Night in that franchise is one of my big blindspots. I've been meaning to get around to Dawn and Day forever, so this is as good a chance as any.
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Ah ha, but here's one thing your well-reasoned, well-argued, and well-articulated point misses: slashers blow.
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Franchescanado posted:I think that's a pessimistic perspective. You can also argue that there's something magic about 90 year old films still being great. But I can help but feel it's a flower in the bonnet of the old fart that bemoans "Horror ain't what it used to be" Nah. I think it's more like Shakespeare—nobody thinks that plays have been a series of diminishing returns just because there's one inescapable gorilla in the room. Nobody rolls their eyes at Ibsen and goes "Yeah, but what's the point? He's no Shakespeare. It's all been downhill since 1613!" It's going to lurk in the background of every conversation about the medium but that doesn't mean that it devalues what comes after. If we had a similar tournament about playwrites we'd be facing the same issue.
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I watched it a couple of months ago and really enjoyed it. It was much smaller in scope and more humorous than I'd assumed, and it's got a ton of charm. I do feel like the climax was a bit lame, though.
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I'm happy that Evil Dead won the last round by such a large margin. I'm unhappy that it's going to lose the next round by the same margin.
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married but discreet posted:Would be sad to have a slasher franchise, consisting mostly of mediocre or bad movies, deemed the best that the horror genre has to offer. I agree but Burkion posted:Not the best Yeah. I think the wonkiness of this bracket so far is that a lot of people are choosing based on way different criteria—favorite, objective best, scariest, most fun, most vital, most foundational, highest prestige, most representative of the genre, highest average across series, which you'd choose if it erased the other from history, etc. That's why I think Halloween is going to beat Jason—it can be all of those to many people, but Jason can only be, like, one or two at best.
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As long as Jason doesn't win I'm happy. But ultimately I think the end result of this is going to be all of us looking at the full bracket and going "Yeah, okay, that makes sense."
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Novelty cocktails are delicious and very alcoholic.
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I think the coffee metaphor is apt, as long as it started out as a delicious cup of coffee, then a few minutes in you stirred it a bit so that the sugar and/or cream swirls up for another perfect sip, then it slowly gets colder and colder until you don't want it anymore. The final sip might be a bit better because the remaining sugar residue has built up, but it's not really worth it to drink it at that point. Friday the 13th is more like a warm, flat Coors. Like, conceptually it had potential to at least be a cold, refreshing, somewhat-neutral if not ideal beer, but nobody bothered chilling it and now it's skunky. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 16:08 on May 29, 2020 |
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Yessss gently caress Jason. Those margins are... not what I expected.
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married but discreet posted:Now all there is left to do is vote for Romero, even though personally I have more fun with ED. Yup.
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May 31, 2020 23:33
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The expanded categories allowed me to vote with both my head and my heart.
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Timeless Appeal posted:I think that sequel is something that I think a lot of folks are going to give to Evil Dead 2 and not for unfair reasons. But while Evil Dead 2 is not a literal remake, it's a spiritual one. It's Raimi perfecting what he had done years earlier. Agreed. While I adore Evil Dead 2 and think it's a great movie, I don't think it's a great sequel. To me what a great sequel does is it evolves and expands upon the first film while exploring a new direction. ED2 is probably the best example of a sequel just doing what the first film did, mixing it up a bit, and coming out with something great and fresh-feeling on the other end. But it is just a repeat of the first film with more Looney Tunes antics, while Dawn of the Dead embodies what a great sequel should do. It's gotta be Romero there.
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Franchescanado posted:It's funny, cuz Raimi actually did remake an Evil Dead movie. He remade Army of Darkness with a giant budget. It's called Oz: The Great and Powerful. Can you link me to the scene where a heavy metal skeleton army attacks a castle? tia
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