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Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


married but discreet posted:

Man, how can Alien not win this?

Cuz it has a bad one, unlike Evil Dead.

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Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


STAC Goat posted:

Ok, finally got the voting thing to work (apparently it doesn't work in my new experimental browser, which is a black mark against the browser). I tried to basically go like the franchises with the largest number of good movies went highest not really counting how many bad movies you had against you coughHellraisercough. Then the ones that I don't really know the franchises but they had a great first film. Then the ones I don't really like but I'm familiar with. And finally the ones I don't think I've ever seen a single film of.



I shall try and expand my horizons in April. Except probably not Human Centipede.

Maniac Cop is good, Maniac Cop 2 is amazing.

Don't bother with 3.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I vote with batting average without factoring individual variance, so Psycho wins.

And Halloween is going down.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Jedit posted:

The Psycho sequels are the most severely underrated movies in horror history. It's almost certainly an artifact of having to follow up the most famous movie of a legendary director.

I mean the first sequel came out 23 years after the original, that doesn't help.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Franchescanado posted:

I would argue that Return of the Living Dead Part 3 is the culmination of Yuzna's punk-rock body horror. Yes, you can say Society and Bride of Re-Animator are his best or most iconic, but I would say that RotLD Part 3 is the masterwork of his aesthetic.

Shame Part 2 is the weakest link.

edit: The other thing I'm considered in my votes is Rewatchability.

Night/Dawn/Day are all objectively better movies than RotlD 1-3, but I'm more willing to throw on Return of the Living Dead 1 or 3 before I put on any of Romero's Dead.

I could watch Dawn like every month, if I had to watch zombie movies.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Just erase Feast and write in Lecterverse

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.



Buffoon take.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Leo is lucky that Critters 3 is no one's favorite.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


For those of you who think only the first Exorcist is good, please watch the movie of the month and repent.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Drunkboxer posted:

It being in the MCU probably means no R rating I guess. I guess that’s the price you pay when you definitely need your vampire stabber to hang out with spiderman.

They said they were going to make it R when it was announced, but every other interesting statement during that event has since been rolled back so I'm not holding my breath. Feige and the money men are clearly not on the same page about this phase.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Yeah Frankenstein and Bride totally hold up. Dracula's got some flaws, it's directed kind of like a stage play, but Bela more than makes up for it. Creature from the Black Lagoon is pretty dope.

The rest of 'em aren't all bad but they definitely suffer from old-movie-itis more.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Shrecknet posted:

I love the little tidbit that Lugosi was an arrogant Hungarian rear end in a top hat who refused to learn English so he learned his lines phonetically. It's probably why his Dracula is so otherworldly, he literally did not know or care how to emphasize any line of dialogue "properly"

Personally I think the fact they were filming a spanish version of the film simultaneously using the same sets and costumes is much more interesting. And frustratingly, it's significantly better directed and acted EXCEPT the guy playing Dracula is nowhere near as good as Bela.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I feel like Wishmaster vs Underworld is the only actual matchup this round, and it doesn't even matter which one wins because Jason will decimate them.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


STAC Goat posted:

The problem is Dusk Til Dawn doesn't "trail off" to badness. Its one good film and then a steep dive into cheap, garbage no one has ever seen.

I like Dusk Til Dawn 2 well enough. It's very obvious the budget took a giant dive between films, but the director tries his best to hide that. There's some interesting cinematography, funny character bits, interesting kills. It's a huge letdown as a sequel to such an interesting and memorable film, but it's certainly nowhere near as bad as many sequels to some of the more respected franchises. Robert Patrick stars, and it features, bar none, my favorite bit of dialogue in a film.

quote:

[the men are watching a pornography film]

Jesus: This movie is very low quality.

Ray Bob: Don't look that bad to me.

Jesus: There's no story.

Bucky: It's a gently caress movie. I don't watch a gently caress movie for the story. I watch a gently caress movie to see fuckin'.

C.W.: I got to side with Jesus on this one. I personally appreciate an attempt at telling a story. When I care more about the characters, I care more about the fuckin'.

Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Apr 8, 2020

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Sarx posted:

5 is horrible

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


TheKingslayer posted:

Part 5 is very good but for me personally the fake Jason plus the cliffhanger, "Is Tommy the new Jason?" ending hold it back too much to pass Part 6 as the best.

If Tommy had actually become the new Jason as planned that ending would be fine. It's only bad because you get to the sequel and Tommy is not only still not evil, he's apparently made a complete recovery offscreen and is just a normal guy now.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Origami Dali posted:

This timeline also means that if Rob from part 4 is seeking revenge for his sister from part 2's murder, then he really has his poo poo together

He doesn't, though, the most effective thing he does against Jason is scream at someone else to run away while he's being murdered. He's really bad at hunting Jason, just like everyone else except maybe Tommy (who gets a massive penalty for raising him from the dead using the laziest plot device imaginable).

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Those later films are maybe worse than anything else in the brackets, though. Like I think even the worst hellraisers have more value than later ROTLD entries.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Friends Are Evil posted:

Random number generator determines which Friday is the best one, and hey would you look at that, it's Jason Goes To Hell: The Final Friday!

That legit might be the only one no one thinks is the best.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


TrixRabbi posted:

It's a shame that Jason Goes to Hell has such an amazing opening too and then immediately just divebombs.

The opening is funny in theory but the execution is so terrible.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


If Romero loses to Ghoulies I'm going to go Falling Down on your asses.

Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Apr 17, 2020

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Timeless Appeal posted:

^Remember Hannibal the show counts.^

I think it's important to remember: Tremors is a really good movie. Like it's a silly B-movie. But it has fun characters, cool monsters, but also a really good sense of geography. You always have a good sense of the town, where things are. It's this really important thing that you don't think about, but the film really hinges on it. It's a toss-up, but I went with Tremors with a "what would I want to throw on TV right now?" test.

Gonna flip a poo poo if the Universal Monsters get bested by Chucky or Jason though.

Also, campaigning hard that Evil Dead or Scream should beat Nightmare.

Voting for one movie is not really in the spirit of things. This is specifically about franchises. If this was a tag team wrestling match, Tremors would come out incredibly strong and then the minute the first one runs out of breath the entire team would get bodied.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


married but discreet posted:

Tremors 2 is at least good for a surprise chair to the back of some second rate Dracula.

Yeah, the one where Christopher Lee hated the script so much he refused to talk.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


STAC Goat posted:

That ended up really working for me as Lee's Dracula really kind of felt more like a ferocious animal with a mask of something more dignified and noble. It was a different take I really liked.

That's kind of how he played it from the start. Lee is a really good actor.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


STAC Goat posted:

I am utterly irrational about everyone declaring Exorcist III better than Exorcist. Like I get why people feel that way but I'm just apoplectic about it.

They're both really good.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

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Tremors winning vs Hammer just makes me think a lot of goons haven't watched nearly enough movies from before 1980.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


feedmyleg posted:

Man, I love that bright red goo. It perfectly typifies the gothic romantic fantasy of horror over a grim realism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwoSQpsNg3E

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Shrecknet posted:

I literally had no idea this even existed. Guys the NIT tournament for this is gonna be insane.



Lake Placid was a perfectly adequate but extremely forgettable creature movie in the 2000s and the fact it became a franchise is insane.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


The weakest Alien entries are perhaps stronger than the weakest Exorcist entries, but Exorcist's two strongest are even better than Alien's. It's definitely a close call but it's not like Exorcist is a one hit wonder.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


TrixRabbi posted:

I dunno, I could be misjudging people's responses here, but the number one thing I've seen in common with Prometheus complaints is people who felt it either didn't make sense or that the characters made foolish choices, when the irrational elements to me are what make it so brilliant. It's a film about mortals trying to find and confront God and being met with the horror that perhaps God doesn't want to meet them. Its a hostile movie, it's the sci fi equivalent of Werner Herzog's jungle speech from Burden of Dreams about cruel and uncaring nature. It's about the hubris of man and our own self-importance, and it does it with absolutely brilliant body horror.

It was really boring.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Class3KillStorm posted:

You have one legit good movie listed there, and at least two that are overrated.

Get outta town.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


TrixRabbi posted:

I think Universal Monsters is the one to beat it.

No one can defeat Jason.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


STAC Goat posted:

Except for an elite team of commandos with a honeypot.

That didn't work out in the long run!

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


TCM and Halloween both have all-timer first installments and a real mixed bag of sequels. And some unbelievably lovely remakes. It's really difficult.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Halloween 3 is a fun enough b-movie but it's not even in my top 30 horror b-movies and it would not feature on any list of Genuinely Great Horror I made no matter how long it went.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

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There isn't a single thing in the Scream franchise as memorable as any kill in Dream Warriors.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Even though there's definitely some value in the Scream sequels, a deconstruction of a genre does not lend itself very well to sequels in the way that Freddy does. Scream is kind of a victim of its own success in that sense. Ghostface has no supernatural powers and isn't even really a slasher, he's just some lovely teens cosplaying as one. So what the hell do you do for a sequel? It kinda dilutes the brand.

It is kinda neat that Neve Cambpell is the main character of the series instead of Ghostface, and that she gets increasingly good at murdering masked psychos with each installment. But she ain't no Robert Englund.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I personally don't like my horror villains to be evil or have repulsive traits. That would be too frightening.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Debbie Does Dagon posted:

I was thinking more iconic lines

You were pointing to iconic lines and didn't include this????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRWbg8A3rDg

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Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


COOL CORN posted:

Invisible Man above Bride of/Frankenstein???????????

Well he has a pretty bangin theme song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKdxd718WXg

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