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Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

toEjaM iS oN
vaCatioN




Lipstick Apathy

Baron von Eevl posted:

Alt Right Said Fred

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Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

grittyreboot posted:

I literally get none of that. My TikTok usually gives me some fun comedy sketches, video game stuff, music recommendations, etc. Their algorithm is eerie how quickly it showed me stuff I want to see

CelticPredator has revealed themselves, in this thread, to be an insane person with a weird old man grudge despite being in their early 30's. As with all weird old man grudges, facts and reality itself don't matter.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

CelticPredator posted:

I don’t think social media is good. Any of it.

I don't think social media is inherently evil, it's just people reaching out to talk to people. It's no more inherently cursed than a conversation or a bulletin board. Where the evil is, is social media with the brakes off, like Twitter being essentially unmoderated, allowing harassment and weird bot-posting to run wild, or engines that hunger desperately for deeper and deeper engagement, using algorithms to feed you more of what keeps you hanging around. That's what's going to create weird addictive feedback loops and get someone hurt.

Of course as long as social media is run with a pure profit motive, rather than a social motive, it's always going to head towards this since moderation costs money and engaged addicts generate money(in the form of data and ad views).

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
The only actual *social* media, i.e. media that exist to foster socialization, are things like messaging apps. Anything with a content feed is just a predatory profit machine.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

Yngwie Mangosteen posted:

CelticPredator has revealed themselves, in this thread, to be an insane person with a weird old man grudge despite being in their early 30's. As with all weird old man grudges, facts and reality itself don't matter.

Mad?

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.
Tiktok sucks rear end but I support anything that makes people mad. So it's a real conundrum for me

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌
Honestly, I think that the instant that social media turned into absolute unreadable garbage was the nanosecond that somebody decided that engagement was the metric that success was to be based upon. Decoupling the concept of quality or social good from success has opened up the floodgates to the kind of poo poo that sees people being radicalised online, or hate speech flourishing, or absolute garbage content clickbait becoming the norm rather than the outlier.

A long time ago on the forums, and I'm talking about at least 5 years ago, somebody made a completely wackadoo post about some sort of social currency system that was based on an attention economy. He used some sort of a tortured metaphor about marbles shooting out of people's foreheads at whatever they were directly looking at and the more marbles you had, the more of the economy you controlled, and I really really wish that I had bookmarked this crazy person's post because gently caress me if it doesn't seem like it's the patient zero blueprint for all of the social media ills that have come after it.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



i'm doing my taxes. leave the tiktok to the kids.

Spazzle
Jul 5, 2003

Breetai posted:

Honestly, I think that the instant that social media turned into absolute unreadable garbage was the nanosecond that somebody decided that engagement was the metric that success was to be based upon. Decoupling the concept of quality or social good from success has opened up the floodgates to the kind of poo poo that sees people being radicalised online, or hate speech flourishing, or absolute garbage content clickbait becoming the norm rather than the outlier.

A long time ago on the forums, and I'm talking about at least 5 years ago, somebody made a completely wackadoo post about some sort of social currency system that was based on an attention economy. He used some sort of a tortured metaphor about marbles shooting out of people's foreheads at whatever they were directly looking at and the more marbles you had, the more of the economy you controlled, and I really really wish that I had bookmarked this crazy person's post because gently caress me if it doesn't seem like it's the patient zero blueprint for all of the social media ills that have come after it.
That was Eripsa

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
And we all laughed because that made no sense, just getting people's attention doesn't inherently make you any money or value in itself unless you already have some kind of service or product to offer.

...which is still probably true but internet advertising makes millions on poo poo no one buys anyway because marketing exists primarily to advertise its own supposed usefulness.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!
You know what, sometimes I actually kinda like finding out that a celebrity is just a normal type of rear end in a top hat, rather than a 'causes mass harm and believes in eugenics or something' type of rear end in a top hat.

https://twitter.com/nadiaudio/status/1784380449604956350

Hans loving Zimmer being one of those weird power users on a niche help forum is one of those.

Cleretic has a new favorite as of 11:52 on Apr 28, 2024

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

tokin opposition posted:

Embrace meaninglessness

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌

Spazzle posted:

That was Eripsa

Thanks for that, I was able to find the original thread after several years of looking for it. The bits about computerised systems operating independently of direct human control working out where attention should be diverted to, and about attention being exchanged for an increase in the influence of the attention-getter were even more horrific than I remember them being. This is the worst Nostradamus. He came to us with a blueprint for the torment nexus. None of us understood at the time.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

Breetai posted:

Thanks for that, I was able to find the original thread after several years of looking for it. The bits about computerised systems operating independently of direct human control working out where attention should be diverted to, and about attention being exchanged for an increase in the influence of the attention-getter were even more horrific than I remember them being. This is the worst Nostradamus. He came to us with a blueprint for the torment nexus. None of us understood at the time.

Link?

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Breetai posted:

Thanks for that, I was able to find the original thread after several years of looking for it. The bits about computerised systems operating independently of direct human control working out where attention should be diverted to, and about attention being exchanged for an increase in the influence of the attention-getter were even more horrific than I remember them being. This is the worst Nostradamus. He came to us with a blueprint for the torment nexus. None of us understood at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr1VCz28HJo

The General
Mar 4, 2007


Cleretic posted:

You know what, sometimes I actually kinda like finding out that a celebrity is just a normal type of rear end in a top hat, rather than a 'causes mass harm and believes in eugenics or something' type of rear end in a top hat.

https://twitter.com/nadiaudio/status/1784380449604956350

Hans loving Zimmer being one of those weird power users on a niche help forum is one of those.

Something of a dick yeah, but I think OP is blowing it out of proportion.

Hans does need to learn that other people are not Hans and can't just kick down the door to the editors room and dictate to the directors and editors how your music is going to be mixed in.

mycatscrimes
Jan 2, 2020
Big 'crotchety tenured art professor' vibes from Hans here

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌

First google result for "eripsa somethingawful"

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3462638&pagenumber=28

Marble stuff is several posts down, but earlier posts are in the same depressing vein.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



PurpleXVI posted:

I don't think social media is inherently evil, it's just people reaching out to talk to people. It's no more inherently cursed than a conversation or a bulletin board. Where the evil is, is social media with the brakes off, like Twitter being essentially unmoderated, allowing harassment and weird bot-posting to run wild, or engines that hunger desperately for deeper and deeper engagement, using algorithms to feed you more of what keeps you hanging around. That's what's going to create weird addictive feedback loops and get someone hurt.

Of course as long as social media is run with a pure profit motive, rather than a social motive, it's always going to head towards this since moderation costs money and engaged addicts generate money(in the form of data and ad views).
Social media platforms named themselves that in the same way that North Korea calls itself a democratic people's republic. It's not a literal term for any and all platforms that enable people to be social. It never was.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

I don’t think the term “social media” came from the platforms naming themselves, but rather analysts and observers grouping them. It was a long time before any would even be willing to admit that they were in the same category as anything else.

Modal Auxiliary
Jan 14, 2005

Baron von Eevl posted:

Alt Right Said Fred

Please, mods?

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!

The General posted:

Something of a dick yeah, but I think OP is blowing it out of proportion.

Hans does need to learn that other people are not Hans and can't just kick down the door to the editors room and dictate to the directors and editors how your music is going to be mixed in.

Yeah, it feels worse because it's Hans Zimmer, it's not quite that bad, but it's still pretty bad. And still very funny that it's Hans Zimmer, that'd be like Obama dropping into D&D threads to call out people's lovely takes.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Tim Pool :Friendship with Communists ended!

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

I don't think anyone could read both of our posts and come away with the idea that I'm the one that's mad lmao.

Leon Sumbitches
Mar 27, 2010

Dr. Leon Adoso Sumbitches (prounounced soom-'beh-cheh) (born January 21, 1935) is heir to the legendary Adoso family oil fortune.





Yorkshire Pudding posted:

The worst brain rot poo poo is the videos stitching together some regular video alongside someone playing Subway Runner or just a guy playing with sand. Training kids to think “I can’t watch or listen to something without a constant stimulus of bright lights and movement” is a fantastic way to generate some kind of new ADD for an entire generation.

There was an amazing video where someone took a scene from My Dinner With Andre and had a split screen with subway surfer and some soap cutting video. It was art, but I can't seem to find it anymore. I thought it was a clickhole thing.

E: complaining about it helped, here's the link

https://x.com/Durbikins/status/1615872448250929152

Leon Sumbitches has a new favorite as of 16:58 on Apr 28, 2024

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



The "everything I don't like is communism" take is great not just for idiots who have no idea what communism is but also for pseudo-intellectuals who cast it to mean "the whole rest of the world is ganging up on me" because 2+ people holding an opinion contrary to yours is clear evidence of an evil hive mind

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think it's usually that the people who espouse that know that their opinions are going to be regarded as dogshit, and so come out the gate with "I'm actually the only real free thinker out there" to head off the obvious criticism.

Same with "I have a right to say <extremely stupid and horrible thing> why are you trying to take away my rights??"

You can replace the opinions with "smearing my own feces all over myself" and it has the same effect.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Cleretic posted:

Yeah, it feels worse because it's Hans Zimmer, it's not quite that bad, but it's still pretty bad. And still very funny that it's Hans Zimmer, that'd be like Obama dropping into D&D threads to call out people's lovely takes.

He's probably a mod.

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

oldpainless posted:

I like to shower after I get home from work and also after I masturbate so like 6 times a day minimum

I’m unemployed

I also like to shower after you masturbate.


Okay, the Pokémon market is not in shambles.


I thought the IOSM rules were "no homegrown"?

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
since when has self professed Leftist Tim "beanie" Pool ever defended a communist

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

OwlFancier posted:

I think it's usually that the people who espouse that know that their opinions are going to be regarded as dogshit, and so come out the gate with "I'm actually the only real free thinker out there" to head off the obvious criticism.

Same with "I have a right to say <extremely stupid and horrible thing> why are you trying to take away my rights??"

You can replace the opinions with "smearing my own feces all over myself" and it has the same effect.

They also always never mean, "I have a right to say <extremely stupid and horrible thing>," but rather, "I have a right to say <extremely stupid and horrible thing> without consequences!"

The General
Mar 4, 2007


PhazonLink posted:

since when has self professed Leftist Tim "beanie" Pool ever defended a communist

IIRC he got his start covering Occupy on the side of the occupiers.

emSparkly
Nov 21, 2022

I'm open to interpretation!

Baron von Eevl posted:

Alt Right Said Fred

I’m too sexy for my mask

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?
You people who never heard about the marble stuff need to keep up with the classic goldmined threads like the rest of us :smug:

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Cleretic posted:

Hans loving Zimmer being one of those weird power users on a niche help forum is one of those.

How often do the other users bring up Going For Gold or Doctor In Distress, I wonder

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
just don't understand why someone might want to be the next Martin Luther King when you could be working towards entry level CS jobs :confused:

https://twitter.com/The8BitIdiot/status/1784664802284937486

Rhythmancer
Jun 5, 2004
Mr. Saturn

Breetai posted:

Honestly, I think that the instant that social media turned into absolute unreadable garbage was the nanosecond that somebody decided that engagement was the metric that success was to be based upon. Decoupling the concept of quality or social good from success has opened up the floodgates to the kind of poo poo that sees people being radicalised online, or hate speech flourishing, or absolute garbage content clickbait becoming the norm rather than the outlier.

A long time ago on the forums, and I'm talking about at least 5 years ago, somebody made a completely wackadoo post about some sort of social currency system that was based on an attention economy. He used some sort of a tortured metaphor about marbles shooting out of people's foreheads at whatever they were directly looking at and the more marbles you had, the more of the economy you controlled, and I really really wish that I had bookmarked this crazy person's post because gently caress me if it doesn't seem like it's the patient zero blueprint for all of the social media ills that have come after it.

This is just capitalism

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!

Leon Sumbitches posted:

There was an amazing video where someone took a scene from My Dinner With Andre and had a split screen with subway surfer and some soap cutting video. It was art, but I can't seem to find it anymore. I thought it was a clickhole thing.

E: complaining about it helped, here's the link

https://x.com/Durbikins/status/1615872448250929152

lol amazing

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

No, we just think your dumb, not mad.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

...which is still probably true but internet advertising makes millions on poo poo no one buys anyway because marketing exists primarily to advertise its own supposed usefulness.

See this is the thing, as the Western economy becomes increasingly divorced from actual creation of things and goods and services, it instead becomes based on nothing but air and vapour.

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CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

Josef bugman posted:

No, we just think your dumb, not mad.


Very mad

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