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Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I posted on the old thread at the exact moment you killed it so my words of wisdom have disappeared into the ether. Boo hoo.

Anyone else feel like they wasted most of March? I'm determined from tomorrow morning to try and get back on track with life and stop obsessively watching sky news, online newspapers, twitter (a really bad habit I have fallen into this last month).


March, February, and the 12 months prior. I'd been waiting a year for therapy appointments with a charity I'd found that do an open ended number of sessions, because the anxiety I get from knowing I only have a few sessions left undoes most of the work. I was due to have my first appointment last Wednesday, now cancelled indefinitely because of corona, and because of the backlog they're now introducing a 25 session limit with a 6 month wait to refer back again.

In summary, gently caress everything

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Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Red Oktober posted:

Such a A+ thread. We need more of those, in these trying times.

I have used the phrase "in these trying times" more in the last month than my entire life prior.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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OwlFancier posted:

Do you have a fusebox instead? I figured they'd all have been retrofitted with breakers now if only because having to keep a supply of fuses is annoying. And also people are tempted to jam bits of metal in there if they don't have a fuse.

Generally it's near your electric meter, or in a cupboard somewhere, often under the stairs.

Basically if the electric goes, where is the box you have to fiddle with to make it go on again?

My electric meter isn't even in this building

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

But aren't they going to be £20 per month better than pre-crisis? Riches beyond the dreams of avarice.

Don't forget the 1.7%, still below inflation, rise coming thanks to the end of the benefits freeze!

e: 8 is one fat lady

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Endjinneer posted:

Right now we're begging, borrowing and stealing supplies and labs and reagents to get up to the hundreds of thousands of tests we need to do each day. You can write off that capacity for the foreseeable future, and write off every diagnosis those labs and testing machines used to support too.

But the government told me 3.5 million tests available over the internet a week ago, and companies who can make tests took orders from other countries after receiving none from our lot. Who to believe

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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So they're offering higher wages to attract workers, right? Right?

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Soylent Yellow posted:

Why? They'll just draw them from the NHS volunteer pool.

:negative:

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Why? Everyone knows that if you're on benefits the first thing you do is get an extra large 4000K plasma screen tv. I've seen it on Channel 5 so it must be true.

I'm pretty sure that's :thejoke:

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Yeah I got it :) Mine is a joke too.

Bloody text based communication!

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Ditto - I usually have a fan on all night. As soon as I lie down, my head starts boiling. I even take a little fan with me if I go away - one of those 6" diameter USB ones, but I take a USB extension and USB plug with me to run it. Also, it can run all night off a 10k mAh charger if it has to if no suitable socket nearby.

My neck gets incredibly hot at night, and I got one of those gel cooling pillows that you put inside the pillow case. Takes a bit of getting used to as it can feel like the pillow equivalent of a water bed, but so cooling and nice. You can even give it a boost in the fridge during the day.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Jordan Peele's second film, Us, has all sorts of fun references for Black Flag fans to spot, and is an excellent film with good politics.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/MetroUK/status/1245752934324936704

All the cancelled surgeries. All the hardship that healthcare services fought. Just puffs off into smoke because it never loving mattered.

I'm unspeakably loving angry about this poo poo just sliding under the radar. I'm sure I'm not the only person in this thread who has lost years of their life waiting for defunded mental health services, and now it's all shown to be the obvious bullshit we knew it was and no one loving cares.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Azza Bamboo posted:

Given that we put all of our tax income in a single big pot that gets divided up in the budget,

Note that this is how neoliberal governments choose to depict the process of budgeting and taxation, not how it actually works.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Kin posted:

Hmm, I dunno about that. People are ignorant enough about how this all works that they bought into the credit card analogy as justification for austerity.

Sorry, when I said "we" I meant lefties, basically. I agree with you completely about the reason they have and will continue to get away with it even while thousands are dying.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Azza Bamboo posted:

Like any model it explains it to a level and then if you want to be a nerd and learn the "well actually" you can get a degree in it. Like how you'll have to re learn photosynthesis for every single key stage in your standardised testing.

Yes, it explains it to a level that allows them to claim there's no money left and poor people need to die for 10 years.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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e: gently caress it, pointless conversation anyway

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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ThomasPaine posted:

First foray into universal credit... actually rather painless? Despite the spike in applications it's been sorted within a week, the guy who dealt with me on the phone was genuinely really nice and helpful, and I've specifically been told I've got no commitments in terms of looking for work until coronavirus blows over. I mean sure it's only £400/month which is garbage but I'm surprised the process went as smoothly especially given the circumstances.

Dunno what all the fuss is about

e: also it was £317 a month before real people had to start claiming it

Tarnop fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Apr 3, 2020

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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ThomasPaine posted:

You're being a bit unfair here because I obviously didn't say that and I know it's nowhere near enough to live off for the great majority of people. On your edit though, I think the £400/month is now the standard figure (or just short, because it's like £95/week), and that the additional £20/week they're giving is going to be added during the crisis period making it £450-500/month total. This is coming from someone I know at the DWP but I don't have anything specifically saying that so who knows. Yes, I agree that it's pretty laughable.

Sorry if it seems that I'm being unfair, but what people are going to remember after this is lots of folk saying "it wasn't as bad as I thought" and there's no way that any nuance beyond that will be retained

The standard allowance is still £317, and the extra £20 a week is applied on top of that. Of course it goes away after a year, because presumably cost of living will just have magically dropped no one that anyone gives two shits about will be claiming it by then

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Azza Bamboo posted:

So the trusts are giving their equity to NHSE for this writeoff?

Christ if Jezza had done this the headlines would be "Corbyn Communises Healthcare Mid Crisis"

Sounds like you've been encumbered with some knowledge that bears absolutely no use to you in your life, friend.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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I checked the details of the upcoming changes to universal credit.

The standard rate will be £322.22 per month after the inflation linked increase of £4.40 that was due this month anyway. The £20 a week extra for a year translates to £86.67 a month on top of that.

This means that next April, UC claimants will eat a 21% cut. Presumably in the middle of a severe recession.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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crispix posted:

Yes but people can always take up more or better paid work, op :nono:

I know you're joking, but also worth bearing in mind that any higher levels of benefit are all added on to that standard rate, which means the cut will also apply to people that the government accepts will likely never be able to work.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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justcola posted:

When I spoke to them on the phone I asked about the extra £20 and they said they weren't sure about it - I also can't find any mention of it on the government website for it any more (I thought this was on a week or so ago but can't see it now)

When payments start rolling in later this month I think a few people will be in for a shock.

Numbers aren't on the main UC site for some reason, but they are here. I had to work out the inflation linked portion myself, but the final monthly figure is quoted.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Since we're talking about the derisory amount paid on UC, and there's been some chat about whether or not to stay in the Starmer Labour party: I can make 3 meals for what Labour charge someone with only UC as their income to be a member. Those 3 meals will do more to keep me alive than a Labour party with a PLP approved leader ever will.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Azza Bamboo posted:

I voted Kier.

I think it's time we put idealism to bed and actually set our sights on the public. My greatest hopes for this party is to now bait and switch the same way the Tories always do. To front ourselves as centrist and sensible as much as possible in order to roll that Trojan horse through an election.

It's possible that I'm the one being deceived and the horse is full of blairites but I'd take that over years of continuing the trash fire that has been honest attempts at socialism.

You're a loving idiot

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Aidan_702 posted:

Can we be angry when we find out what he actually does? His majority means the majority of people who supported Corbyn also went for him - he will know this

He made his intention to reduce the say of the membership absolutely explicit during his campaign. If he intends to do what they want, then why?

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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peanut- posted:

All of this seems pretty good.

Joe Biden is out there saying he'd veto universal healthcare, Starmer is publicly committing to pledges to nationalise major industries. He served loyally in Corbyn's cabinet. Why are people so convinced he's a dyed in the wool neoliberal?

Because the people who only vote for dyed in the wool neoliberals all came out to bat for him

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Azza Bamboo posted:

I imagine in the next few months the party is going to appear as bi-partisan as possible, and it's going to make some big token moves to appear like it's doing something about the dumb anti Semitism thing. As a result everyone here will be screaming for my apology. What I want to wait for is the next manifesto, or at the very least the next conference, to see what they do with power and not just what they do while the press is watching.

Great time for bipartisanship, you gullible gently caress

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Azza Bamboo posted:

A lot of tears itt. Also "if you're not with me then you're against me" thinking.

Lol keep going

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Azza Bamboo posted:

Okay let's say bailey won, what would you have done that's so spectacular as to warrant any other outcome as stupidity?

Azza Bamboo posted:

It's a loving flu, we'll get through it and some grannies will die and a few nurses will quit their NHS jobs in favour of the much less stressful cosmetic procedure industry. Life goes on whoop de doo.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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The Labour First candidates won the NEC seats

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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https://twitter.com/HannahAlOthman/status/1246395994675335169

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Azza Bamboo posted:

What reflection would satisfy you?

Azza Bamboo posted:

It's a loving flu, we'll get through it and some grannies will die and a few nurses will quit their NHS jobs in favour of the much less stressful cosmetic procedure industry. Life goes on whoop de doo.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Azza Bamboo posted:

What reflection on voting Starmer would satisfy you, Gonzo mcfee

CleanBreak.txt

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Gasmask posted:

I’m the only one being smug. You being a prick to Asda despite him explaining his thinking proves my point way better than I could.

Flat-earthers also explain their thinking, and they're dumb motherfuckers too.

I mean I suppose Azza was right in a way, Keir has already Trojan-horsed his way right into number 10.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

They're a good poster and as far as I can tell a good person

Azza Bamboo posted:

It's a loving flu, we'll get through it and some grannies will die and a few nurses will quit their NHS jobs in favour of the much less stressful cosmetic procedure industry. Life goes on whoop de doo.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

An opinion expressed (in slightly less direct terms) by a lot of posters in this thread (and around the entire internet) last month. But by all means keep Helldumping someone to try and justify acting like a total oval office to someone. Dig out the posts I made joking about how great politics will be when all the boomers die while you're at it.

There's been some serious Lord of the Flies energy in the last few pages, and I hope people can reflect on this in a few days time and realise that (and what it means more broadly for their politics).

Sorry if calling someone a loving idiot for voting like a loving idiot isn't :decorum: enough for you.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Jose posted:

How did the nec results go I stopped paying attention

One Progress candidate, one Labour First candidate. Hoping they turn out to be secret leftists

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Comrade Fakename posted:

I see where you’re coming from, but frankly coming out immediately after the result is announced and people are understandably very upset to casually say that you voted for it and actually this is great is loving lovely behaviour.

And everyone who didn't is pathetic and deluded, let's not gloss over that gem

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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Azza Bamboo posted:

I never said the people are pathetic I said the excuses that socialists make for their failures are pathetic. When you're trying to get into power "It's not fair" doesn't cut it.

I also don't recall saying delusional.

Then let me retract my previous statements; you're not a gullible idiot. You just cast a vote in a gullible and idiotic way for a gullible and idiotic reason, while also holding a lot of opinions that I consider idiotic.

I hope that conforms to the strict rules of polite discourse here on somethingawful.com

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Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

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EmptyVessel posted:

Assuming you have a magical pledge that does not allow cynical signatures.


Tbf you don't really have a reason to trust anyone in politics, how many of them have you actually met? Don't trust him, I don't trust him, but ignoring what he's actually said and demanding a signature that would be trivially easy to provide in bad faith goes a bit beyond benefit of the doubt.

Why do you think he didn't sign it?

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