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Josef bugman posted:No, but perhaps you should accept fault and blame if it comes to it. If you have made a mistake then learn, it is what you are arguing Labour should do, so if Starmer loses, or things get worse, will you accept the responsibility, or will you blame others for the choice that you made because it was "rational at the time". Fault for what? You're acting as though I am the avatar of all who turned to vote Kier and can speak for all of us. I can only speak for myself, and right now everyone seems to be doomsaying or worse, crying that it's not 2017 again and Corbyn is still supposedly doing great. You get the luxury of never having your preferred scenario tested, never witnessing what damage RLB would have done and having to apologise yourself.
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OwlFancier posted:Did this statement even touch the sides on the way out? Is the flaw not blindingly obvious to you? If it's so obvious then it shouldn't be difficult for you to put it in words.
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So the slight chance of there being a teapot between here and mars is why we ought to pursue it with the full might of the party apparatus, furtheremore to reject the possibility that something testable might actually produce results that make an improvement to society. If you're wanting me to say the results are in now, all we have is a shadow cabinet. Good lord the moment they ever release a statement or appear on TV the world will immediately fall into the worst possible nazi apocalypse imaginable and you'll be screaming for my apology for they have appeared on TV with a little ticker underneath them that says "shadow foreign secretary".
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I'm not asking, it's happening. I'm being asked to apologise for casting a ballot because, I poo poo you not, Kinnock gets a brief.
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Josef bugman posted:this is a low ebb after doing reasonably well for some time. The election was the low point, and the possibility of trying something else has presented itself. For many, myself included, that we have taken this possibility is actually uplifting. I can't apologise, though. There are people in the party who will only be satisfied if Kier does everything they wanted to do, and appoints none of the people they didn't want appointing. The big difference, and the people here have sensed it, is that I am willing to concede a fair bit of Corbyn's policies if what's left has a chance of being implemented, where others will have a very low tolerance for "you might as well be a tory, then" kind of rhetoric or worse "that's what CUK did and the Labour party will only become CUK". I can only concede as far as that the path we have taken has gone bad, should it, not that your alternative would have been better, which will be what you imply should you want me to apologise. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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forkboy84 posted:
And RLB would amount to running the same advertisement for 5 more years.
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You're saying it yourself, the tory press wouldn't countenance socialists in socialists clothing. It's on you to say how that applies in the past and not the future. Unless someone in the party suddenly has a new marketing strategy between now and the next GE (or actually implements it rather than gesturing toward it in my emails with no specific action) the outcome seemed pretty clear to me. Sure, the party would be gleaming ideologically, I don't doubt that. Every policy would be something wonderful to introduce. As for how they'd get to introducing it, though? Well you seem to be very good at lining up what will go wrong for you, theories about the press and power structures and whatnot that seem to hold true to the outcomes you experience. Your main plan for tackling that, though, is just to keep pure and carry on.
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When is the point where it gets so bad that this glorious inevitable revolution happens, because I've passed a few of my own expectations and you've already seen that I'm starting to wonder if there is such a point at all. How can we test this hypothesis? Because I think willing or expecting the collapse of society is pretty yikes, and I'm not there myself.
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I apologise for interpreting "changes in society" to mean changes in society and not just in a party. I don't necessarily mean violent when I say revolution.
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It strikes me that you're looking for a unicorn to lead. I'd like to say that the left isn't necessarily being too nice to fight dirty, but if I had believed RLB was capable of it I'd have voted for her.
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Apr 10, 2020 00:40
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Because we're muggles in their headspace.
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Apr 10, 2020 00:56
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I was more into movies and comics as a kid. The visual world appeals to me more than words. John Constantine, Hellblazer was my jam and I've never seen any live action version nail it. Constantine is a grizzled liverpudlian with the weathered face of a man who smokes like a chimney. He's not a babyfaced californian.
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As its own thing the movie is great. I particularly enjoy the camerawork and the effects on the moments where dying people transition into the limbo/pre hell space.
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OwlFancier posted:having zero interest in the source material. You'd like it. There's a running gag that Margaret Thatcher is a literal archdemon.
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I watched the Harry Potter films. I was young when they started and was all "yeah that's kinda cool I guess" but by the time the last movie was out I was playing DnD with my friends. By that point, there's some neat visuals in there I guess but the story and the concept is pretty crummy compared to literally anything my buddies have conceived of with a d20 in hand. Imagine this as a backstory: I was visited as a child by a lich who has many phylacteries. Because my character was chosen to be one of these phylacteries, members of a prestigious wizarding academy enlisted me to be in the fight against the badguy, but only because my death is a requirement to defeat him. That's fine, because my parents are dead and I lived with my abusive uncle in squalid conditions until I was groomed by professor hetcon into being a child soldier.
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If the best you've got is "you're a oval office" I don't feel too badly off here.RockyB posted:Yes, Foreign Secretary, natch. I think it'd be a good own to the media for about five minutes. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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