Torrannor posted:

Looks like New York has told EMTs to stop transporting cardiac arrest patients without pulse to the hospitals.


gently caress

orange juche posted:

Lmao the GA governor claims that he just found out in the last 24 hours that they found out that COVID can spread through close contact.

Midjack posted:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/politics/fact-check-georgia-gov-brian-kemp-coronavirus-no-symptoms-stay-at-home/index.html

Leavemywife posted:

Could mosquitos spread the virus? I know we're all supposed to shelter at home, but it's getting around the time those little blood suckers come back.

Proud Christian Mom posted:

an entire ship of Do Not Promote

MRC48B posted:

The article claims that he is ramping up though?

It took us almost two years to spin up manufacturing for WWII.

And that was with 24% unemployment and a manufacturing level that was not nearly as sophisticated as today.

You don't spin up an additional two shifts by just hanging out a sign and shoving any idiot who walks in the door on a machine.

MRC48B posted:

No It's not a liberty ship.

It's an entirely different sort of problem altogether.

You can hot rivet a ship together with hand tools and sufficient people-power to form rivet teams.

The face masks we need are produced in volume on automated machines, built to-order by specialized factories and workers, and have to be maintained by someone who knows the inside of a PLC from their rear end, In a sterile environment, while keeping social distance between the workers to prevent further virus spread, so you can't just sit a hundred people down at tables and have them sew these things together by hand, and even if you could, you would then need dozens more for QA testing, because repeatability on hand assembled products is usually poo poo.

Americans have been so removed from factory work for so long they have forgotten how all this stuff happens.

MRC48B posted:

And it took them quite a lot of time and hardware investment to go from empty building to product going out the door. It's not a game of Factorio. They don't have more "Mask making machine mk1" sitting in a box they can just crack open and power up.


We die. We die because our Just-in-time manufacturing and lean and mean supply chains are not robust enough to take the simultaneous shocks of high demand, skilled labor shortage, and transport delays.

But that's ok. We saved a fraction of a percent on the books by cutting down on taxable assets sitting in warehouses.

EBB posted:

should have stayed the gently caress at home

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Out of curiosity, is that a Louisiana accent or what am I hearing?

JohnnyHardcore posted:

Last time, they threw a Holiday in Cambodia.

Icon Of Sin posted:

It’s an antibiotic, it was never going to do anything for a virus.

MA-Horus posted:

Cool so 3 million N95 masks bound for Ontario got stopped at the US border

We will run out in a week

gently caress your president so hard. This will kill people.

Tryzzub posted:

Hell yea start burying folks in central and prospect park; maybe then all the folks out and about will finally get the drat message

Handsome Ralph posted:

https://twitter.com/dave_brown24/status/1247198856523198464



This is wilddddd.

Tag yourselves, I'm the sailor yelling "WHAT THE gently caress?" when Modly calls Crozier stupid.

Milo and POTUS posted:

facialimpediment posted:

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1247240533115670529

https://twitter.com/onionweigher/status/1246928763935494145

pantslesswithwolves posted:

https://twitter.com/nbcwashington/status/1247243424065040385

EBB posted:

Santa Clara County sent an e-mail to us today: Would you like $1000? Know where an old ventilator is?

Arrath posted:

Just yesterday a friend, generally a pretty smart guy, said to me "I just want the least government involvement possible"

You got your wish dude, look where it got us!

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Something this crisis is revealing is a mindset among many Americans that I've thought about previously, but hadn't quite put into words on paper.

There is a general sentiment among these people that "America is Great." If you ask them why, they'll of course rattle off a variety of platitudes—freedom, democracy, markets, ARE TROOPS, etc. But for the most part, the fact of America's Greatness is treated as a given, threatened only by ~the libs~, terrorists, and other extremely vague enemies.

There are many reasons, of course, why the United States is such a powerful, wealthy, and influential country: Two and a half centuries of expansion, reform, industry, and luck. It happened because people built systems that were refined over generations, often through bloodshed, whose benefits are now so taken for granted and spared so little thought that to the average person they may not exist at all—even if these systems have an immense impact on their daily lives.

But for the "America is Great" crowd, greatness is not a series of deeply interconnected systems and circumstances—greatness simply is, and even when they acknowledge those systems it's as an obstacle to further Greatness rather than an underpinning reason for it. The United States didn't win World War II through intense preparation, close cooperation between industry, the government, and labor, and the mass sacrifice and bloodshed of American, British, and (especially) Soviet blood—we did it because we were just that great. The United States didn't outlast the Soviet Union in the Cold War because the Soviet system was filled with deep, irreconcilable flaws dating back to the Stalin era and exposed by war, changing political winds, and economic crisis—it was because we were always destined to win, because we were great. And on, and on. And because greatness is a given, they don't have any interest in how it came to be or what it takes to maintain it—and they assume that no matter what they do, it will always be there—so long as a goddamn socialist doesn't get into office.

Nowhere is this more evident than in the response to COVID-19. A common question you often hear is "How could this happen? How could the richest and most powerful country on earth lack ventilators and protective equipment? How could we be so unprepared?" The answer, of course, is simple: We were unprepared because the administration, now almost entirely filled with loyalists to a man whose campaign slogan is "Keep America Great," did not believe preparation was necessary. They believed that the sheer fact that America was great would protect is and shepherd us through the crisis, with no expense or sacrifice required. And even now, as the crisis deepens, their focus isn't on saving lives and protecting the American people, without whom there would be no America—but on protecting "The economy," an arbitrary number made from imaginary dollars that, in their final sense, are mere pieces of paper or digits on a screen. Hundreds of thousands of may die, but they worked hard to protect what mattered—and after all, wouldn't millions more have died if America wasn't Great?

The firing of Captain Crozier, and the response by the Naval Secretary, is a microcosm of this attitude. Crozier, who has been a naval officer since before I was born, and in command of one of the most powerful warships ever built, recognized that each of his hundred thousand nuclear-powered tons of his vessel was worthless without the lives and health of his sailors. Faced with a crisis, he did what he had to do to protect his crew, temporarily ceasing operations to ensure the ship and her crew could regain combat status as quickly as possible while maintaining morale. But in response he has been intensely criticized and removed from his post—not for not acting sooner and more decisively, but for "violating operational secrecy" and leaving our country open to exploitation by vague, undefined enemies. For in the minds of those who believe in America's inherent greatness, it does not matter how effective the ship is, or whether the crew lay dying of preventable disease—only that they do it out of sight, belowdecks, and that the ship remain sailing.

There is a quote I sometimes think about, one I've used before. In 1941, the British Army had lost the Battle of Crete. Tens of thousands of soldiers were stranded on that Mediterranean island, their only hope lying in an evacuation force protected by the ships of the Royal Navy. Sailing without air cover, the ships were hideously vulnerable to German air attack, and several warships were sunk. But at the height of the battle, when asked whether to call off the evacuation, Admiral Cunningham replied: "It takes the Navy three years to build a ship. It will take three hundred years to build a new tradition. The evacuation will continue."

In the end, three cruisers and six destroyers were sunk—but fifteen thousand men were rescued.

If you count from the Declaration of Independence (Though even that document has roots over a thousand years deep), it has taken nearly two hundred and fifty years to build America to what it is now: Three hundred and fifty million lives, connected together not just by lines on a map or pieces of paper but by a shared belief in the idea of America. They are what makes, and have always made, America 'Great' — if it ever truly was. But the people who believe in America's inherent greatness don't see that.

All they see is the ship.

Old Boot posted:

https://twitter.com/mattsmith_news/status/1247493559068000257

But let's not toy with SCOTUS the way it is, the other guys might do a bad thing.

EDIT: That's one polling place for 72,500 people.

Old Boot posted:

It's not, and a lot of people are going to die for it.

Like I can't even be glib about it, and it's hard to articulate how this feels. Like there are no poo poo vultures that stood by waiting for this to happen, for Evers to 'cave' and try and make an executive order to stop what was about to happen, and used the opportunity afforded to them by someone saying 'maybe people shouldn't die like this' to wedge their foot in the door. They knew the same court they concentrated all the power in prior to his taking office would rule in their favor.

We all saw that coming. But the SCOTUS hit that came after it?

It's not that I was ever unaware of how craven the GOP was. I just feel like I'm in a state of shock at the moment, and pretty much have been all night.

EDIT: The sheer amount of despair coming from other Wisconsinites this morning is pretty intense right now. I'm gonna go have a drink.

quote:

In late January, President Trump's economic adviser Peter Navarro warned his White House colleagues the novel coronavirus could take more than half a million American lives and cost close to $6 trillion, according to memos obtained by Axios.

The state of play: By late February, Navarro was even more alarmed, and he warned his colleagues, in another memo, that up to two million Americans could die of the virus.

Navarro's grim estimates are set out in two memos — one dated Jan. 29 and addressed to the National Security Council, the other dated Feb. 23 and addressed to the president. The NSC circulated both memos around the White House and multiple agencies.
In the first memo, which the New York Times was first to report on, Navarro makes his case for "an immediate travel ban on China."
The second lays the groundwork for supplemental requests from Congress, with the warning: "This is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill."

quote:

President Donald Trump has a “small financial interest” in the maker of an anti-malarial drug that he has been touting as a “game changer” in treating coronavirus, according to The New York Times. Over the past two weeks, Trump and his Fox News allies have aggressively promoted hydroxychloroquine as a potential cure, despite top infectious-disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci and others urging caution and noting that there was not enough evidence of the drug’s efficacy.

The Times reports the president’s family trusts all have investments in a mutual fund whose largest holding is Sanofi, the manufacturer of Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine. Associates of the president, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, have also run funds that hold investments in the pharmaceutical firm.

Flying_Crab posted:

Going to vote after I finish work, wish me luck. I've got my WI Voting Starter Kit:

Hot Karl Marx posted:

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/...ingawful.com%2F

Hot Karl Marx posted:

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1248...ingawful.com%2F

piL posted:

That's a state-funded organization.