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I don't know how you can get through this game and come out thinking that the obvious love that went into everything was all a ruse and the designers actually don't care about FF7 at all. E: Like, I get the ending turning people off the project and leaving a big negative impression. But saying that most of the game is there as a trick to mislead people into thinking the remake is something its not feels like it's just ignoring the obvious passion that went into everything about the game. SyntheticPolygon fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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People bring up the whole "Nomura wanted Versus XIII to be a musical" thing as if that isn't actually incredibly badass but unfortunately I don't think it's true at all.
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Apr 14, 2020 22:36
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VagueRant posted:Look, sometimes it's been six years since your big announcement trailer, and you see Les Mis and get inspired! I wish that interview was linked in the article because the only source I could find for it doesn't mention musicals at all.
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Apr 14, 2020 22:45
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I feel like "The Arbiters of Fate" are a thing not to justify the changes but half because the creators want to get meta with it and half so that when changes do happen they're a direct result of the actions of the cast and player. So it's not that Biggs and Wedge survive Midgar this time but that you save them (by killing these dang ghosts).
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Apr 16, 2020 00:07
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That's going to happen and there will also be a Zack vs Cloud boss fight.
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Apr 16, 2020 01:34
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Mulva posted:Also they were together for nine seconds when she was 17 and then the next 5 years of her life happened so, you know, not exactly a love affair for the ages. Sounds like Cloud and Tifa when you put it like that.
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Apr 16, 2020 08:20
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guts and bolts posted:Their allegorical role is significantly more important than their diegetic role, though, and I'm not sure why it's a "gross, bad take" when... that's exactly what the Whispers are. They represent purist fans who do not want to see anything changed, or at least the pressures to not change anything that was successful, even if you think it could be improved. So. I really don't think the ghosts represent the fans. If you really want to take it down that route surely they would be more representative of potential Squeenix higher ups that don't want to greenlight any radical changes, because unlike fans they'd have actual real power in controlling the narrative. If the ghosts were the fans their whole deal of being able to have actual physical effects on the world doesn't really fit. Regardless though, I don't think this is a particularly accurate reading.
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Apr 16, 2020 23:19
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DeathChicken posted:I really just want a great big dive into how much Zack surviving changes the cast's personality. Like, if he actually made it to Midgar dragging Cloud along, that should fundamentally change *everything*. Cloud can't exactly go into a delusional Zack cosplay if Zack is still there. Tifa can't cover up that cosplay with her denial until it ultimately bites everyone in the rear end and Cloud helps summon Meteor in a psychotic fit. I presume he would have gone to see Aerith, so *she* doesn't have as much reason to string Cloud along like she did. He gets abducted by Hojo after arriving at Midgar leaving the game to continue as normal until he eventually escapes and awkwardly follows just behind the party until he eventually meets them at a suitably dramatic moment.
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Apr 17, 2020 00:08
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Even before this game came out I was kinda half expecting playable Turks for Wutai when they get to it and now i'm expecting it even more. I don't know if that means they'll join your party or there will be a separate one of Reno, Rude and Elena but i've convinced myself it's definitely happening.
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Apr 17, 2020 01:01
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I think Aerith dying but in a different way is more likely than Tifa dying tbh. Honestly, even with the endgame nonsense I feel like the game's kinda setting things up for the structure to still be largely the same? Like a lot of the new stuff seems to be really emphasising if we can save Aerith this time, and if that's the big focus then the game's still going to need to reach the point where she would usually die. So while i'm sure there's going to be a lot of changes, maybe moreso than in Midgar, i'm thinking the general flow of plot will probably be the same.
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Apr 17, 2020 07:13
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lezard_valeth posted:FF7 had "did everyone die at the end?" and "was Sephiroth controlling Jenova or Jenova controlling Sephiroth" Nobody cared about Necron let's be real. FFXIV has a lot of theorising and so on, but i guess it's kind of a different beast.
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Apr 17, 2020 07:24
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Clarste posted:Oh they are absolutely leaning on side canon with like the huge focus on Zack in the ending and SOLDIER type-G and Leslie and Kyrie showing up at all. Wait, they're expanded universe characters?
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Apr 17, 2020 10:58
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Flopsy posted:Define "best" I mean, by game 6 of KH you gotta have known how it tends to go.
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Apr 18, 2020 01:46
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Spite posted:Aerith has always been the original manic pixie dream girl. I don't know about emotionally fragile but even in the original I think Tifa comes off as a very anxious person. A lot of it through her relationship with Cloud and how she doesn't really talk to him about obvious discrepancies with his history that really bother her. It's something the remake kind of plays up too. One of Cloud's first lines to her is talking about how it's been 5 years since they've seen each other which she obviously finds really weird because from her perspective its been over a decade and also 5 years ago was when their home burned down and as far as she knows he wasn't there for that? When she's giving him the tour she also mentions it's been 5 years since she reached Midgar but quickly changes the subject because she doesn't want to confront the obvious lie he's telling. And I think that sort of anxiety is present with her just in general.
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Apr 20, 2020 02:57
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That cat's not even a real fortune teller.
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Apr 20, 2020 03:12
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I think they had a lot of fun giving Aerith and Tifa scenes with the remake since their relationship wasn't so much a focus in the original game. It's definitely something I expect them to continue exploring, especially as Aerith might well survive and have another 50% of the story to interact with the rest of the cast for. I think characterisation was the remake's strongest attribute so i'm really hoping they keep it up with giving all of the party extra scenes and development. Probably going to be a lot more difficult when party size doubles but I want it anyway! 
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Apr 20, 2020 03:47
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I'm not letting people talking about Tifa dying instead of Aerith or whatever distract me from the great character writing the game had and it's absolutely what i'd consider FF7R's biggest strength. And in any case, aside from this thread which was obviously going to gravitate to discussing the controversial spoilers I see a lot of talk about the other parts of the game too. I guess some people discussing the ending are the loudest because they're real heated about it but I really don't think it's the main thing people took from the game.
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Apr 25, 2020 12:46
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Tifa has no clue Cloud was there 5 years ago because right at the start of this game when he mentions its been 5 years since they last saw each other she gets really concerned and then pointedly never brings up the subject again. It's great because when you're chasing cats with her or whatever she begins to talk about how she came to Midgar 5 years ago only to immediately change the subject because the whole thing worries her and her solution is to just completely ignore it.
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Apr 25, 2020 21:50
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Yeah it's why Tifa rules.
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Apr 25, 2020 22:26
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Well in Sephiroth's first scene he talks about how he killed Cloud's mum. So there's that at least as far as motivation goes.
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Apr 27, 2020 08:38
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Sephiroth is absolutely going to be the final boss of every part of FF7R.
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Apr 27, 2020 09:16
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There will be another Sephiroth fight in part 2 but it will quickly become apparent it's only Zack and Cloud's just hallucinating really hard. It will still play one winged angel though
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Apr 27, 2020 14:35
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Codependent Poster posted:The Zack stuff seems to be an alternate timeline caused by the team beating the Whispers. Even if not, he's in the past, so how would he catch up or interact with the current cast? I assume our main cast are in this alternate timeline as well? I mean they're the ones that beat the Whispers.
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Apr 28, 2020 07:49
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Codependent Poster posted:Well he's dragging Cloud along with him, and our Cloud doesn't vanish or change or lose his Buster Sword or anything, so that time travel logic dictates that there are alternate versions of the main cast in the Zack timeline. I mean something could have happened to Zack since he arrived in Midgar and Cloud was left behind with a large sword to be found by Tifa Seems more convenient than having to grab Zack and comatose Cloud from another dimension that was created when we killed some ghosts and destroyed fate which created a separate parallel universe for some reason rather than changing the universe we reside in.
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Apr 28, 2020 08:04
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I mean if you've played the original you know where the whole thing with the Turks is going.
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Apr 29, 2020 14:31
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I mean even in the original the Turks become sorta goofy recurring bosses, then allies of convenience who eventually decide they like the party more than their bosses and stop opposing the group. I imagine the general direction will be the same.
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Apr 29, 2020 14:33
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Comrade Fakename posted:I mean, there's no denying that Shinra take a back seat as antagonists after Midgar in favour of the arguably-less-thematically-interesting-and-relevant Weird Magic Guy. I definitely hope for a stronger Shinra presence in the upcoming games. I can't imagine Shinra's presence not being expanded on. I think it's clear the writers really enjoyed working with them as the antagonists and they did a lot to set them up for the future. I'd be super surprised if a lot of the new content doesn't do more with them.
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May 1, 2020 12:00
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I feel like wording that way makes it sound way more complicated than it actually is. Like, we see other characters in flashbacks too, does that mean there's multiple Tifas in this game??? Same about Cloud's weird visions and hallucinations.
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May 2, 2020 02:24
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I don't think they'd be able to get Gackt on board.
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May 2, 2020 04:08
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I'm surprised there's a perception that fans are being particularly negative about the game because to me the online discourse doesn't seem too different from how it went for every FF game since like X and maybe that's just because I wasn't online for when any previous games were released. Maybe more positive than usual as I feel general consensus went from "Can't wait to see Square gently caress this one up" to "Wow, can't believe they pulled it off". Everything just seems par for the course.
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May 3, 2020 11:35
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Mulva posted:Shadowbringers has nearly universal acclaim. All the good reception of FFXIV post ARR is balanced from 1.0.
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May 3, 2020 11:55
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Harrow posted:Since we've talked about Kingdom Hearts in this thread and I know there are some posters here who've kept up with it and enjoy it: The games in between 2 and 3 are of varying quality but I think 3 itself is pretty much the 2nd best game in the series, just below 2 and the only one that compares gameplay wise. The story nonsense is mixed though, it gets weirder which is good and they start more heavily combining goofy original KH story with the Disney worlds and characters, and it's some of the best stuff in the series. However, especially towards the end a lot of the story doesn't really feel fully realised and it goes past confusing nonsense into just kinda being dull. I still think it's really good though. SyntheticPolygon fucked around with this message at 09:52 on May 15, 2020 |
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May 15, 2020 09:49
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And in the original game.
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May 30, 2020 13:46
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precision posted:My secret theory btw is that the next game will be a stealth FF8 remake, just with FF7 characters Cloud and Sephiroth's duel was mimicking cloud and Sephiroths other duels though.
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The Jessie chapter was extremely good.
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For FF7R-2 you play half the game as Cloud and pals and half as Zack and his party of Jessie, Biggs and Roche.
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