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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7XVcqZodAM

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Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Godholio posted:

537 votes in Florida decided the 2000 election. Those votes WILL NOT put a third party in office, but they might keep Trump in office. Do you see the difference here? The Republicans don't worry about their vote being split anymore...it cost them the elections in the 90s and they loving learned.


This is bullshit and I refuse to believe you're this loving stupid. In fact I'm at the point where I don't think you're even arguing in good faith anymore. You're not going to get me to advocate a revolution, rear end in a top hat, because that's the alternative to voting, if you want to change things.

Who said anything about putting third parties in office? Who said anything about revolution? Who the hell are you even arguing with?

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Nah, I'm done with you.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

:lmao:

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Voting for Biden is not worthwhile. And I'm happy to not be doing it.

Honestly, I hope that a third (maybe even a fourth!) can push their way into our system. Currently it seems like what we have right now is just one pro-war, pro-wall street party.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
Agreed.

wins32767
Mar 16, 2007

spacetoaster posted:

Voting for Biden is not worthwhile. And I'm happy to not be doing it.

Honestly, I hope that a third (maybe even a fourth!) can push their way into our system. Currently it seems like what we have right now is just one pro-war, pro-wall street party.

Sadly, with a first past the post system two parties is the only stable equilibrium. Gotta change that if you want to see more parties.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Just so we're crystal clear on this: I don't think that Donald Trump should be voted for under any circumstance, even if his opponent was worse than him. This isn't some crazy bad faith gotcha question. If you truly believe that Trump is an existential threat, then you shouldn't be willing to vote for him at all, even if he was hypothetically the lesser of two evils. You are not obligated to continue participating in an obviously broken system. And just so we're clear on this too: there's a whole lot of room for possible actions between "vote" and "violent revolution".

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm_q9dtXOeU

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

https://twitter.com/DispatchAlerts/status/1318558102271254531

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Vote!

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

https://thehardtimes.net/blog/id-have-a-drink-with-either-candidate-as-long-as-its-spiked-with-cyanide/

"I’d Have a Drink With Either Candidate, as Long as It’s Spiked With Cyanide"

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
you dont enact change, or even slightly slow down all the horrific poo poo the country does on a daily basis, by continually supporting the people who spent their careers making it happen.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Nope. Which is why the downticket races matter. The only way to revive a party is to flood its seats with the people you want there. You're not going to enact change from the top down.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



My vote has been received and counted.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
In-person early voting means I can ever so slightly disengage now.

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002



mlmp08 posted:

In-person early voting means I can ever so slightly disengage now.
Going to go early vote as soon as I finish work today. :toot:

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Drive-through ballot drop-off owns. Dude looked to make sure my envelope was signed and sealed before waving me off.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

https://twitter.com/JustTheNews/status/1316760430329593856

Just push him left!

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

nwin posted:

So is the basic consensus here that people would rather have Trump another 4 years and hopefully send the Democrats a message to say “do better than biden” next time?

I dunno-at least when RBG dies you would have a Democrat president voting a new Supreme Court justice in.

nwin posted:

So, I mean we’re just kind of hosed either way. Trump sucks and is an idiot, but at least stocks somehow keep going up so I’m kinda happy with my TSP account. Plus he’s republican so my military paycheck isn’t going to take a hit so that’s cool, promotions will probably keep up fairly well. But long-term the dude don’t give a gently caress about climate change and if another conservative joins the Supreme Court when RBG dies we’re kinda hosed there.

I love catching up on threads and coming across things like this.


Beware, folks. This can be considered an “identifying mark” and spoil the ballot.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

https://twitter.com/hollyotterbein/status/1321190162123137024

I literally just got back from dropping off my ballot with Biden marked, so it's good to see Joe doing his best to make me regret that.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



Fister Roboto posted:

https://twitter.com/hollyotterbein/status/1321190162123137024

I literally just got back from dropping off my ballot with Biden marked, so it's good to see Joe doing his best to make me regret that.

That's the message old people in america want to hear, though.

Johnny Five-Jaces
Jan 21, 2009


Fister Roboto posted:

https://twitter.com/hollyotterbein/status/1321190162123137024

I literally just got back from dropping off my ballot with Biden marked, so it's good to see Joe doing his best to make me regret that.

lmao

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.

Fister Roboto posted:

https://twitter.com/hollyotterbein/status/1321190162123137024

I literally just got back from dropping off my ballot with Biden marked, so it's good to see Joe doing his best to make me regret that.

I voted Hawkins and don't regret it a bit.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Good luck, 30-state ballot guy.

Johnny Five-Jaces
Jan 21, 2009


Godholio posted:

Good luck, 30-state ballot guy.

thank you!

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1322254443644026880

Covid will still be ravaging this country a year from now.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM

~most progressive campaign in history~

https://www.axios.com/biden-cabinet-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-a9903e50-a8e1-4416-b24a-ddfbe3b48afe.html

quote:

Joe Biden’s team is considering an informal ban on naming Democratic U.S. senators to the Cabinet if he wins — which would effectively block Elizabeth Warren for Treasury or Bernie Sanders for Labor — people familiar with the discussions tell Axios.
...

An informal ban could also be an elegant way of tamping down campaigns to place progressive senators in top Cabinet roles by reminding the movement of the priority around enacting legislation.

Watch as people like Buttigieg or Bloomberg mysteriously end up in these roles instead.

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.

pantslesswithwolves posted:

~most progressive campaign in history~

https://www.axios.com/biden-cabinet-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-a9903e50-a8e1-4416-b24a-ddfbe3b48afe.html


Watch as people like Buttigieg or Bloomberg mysteriously end up in these roles instead.

I'd be really surprised if Bernie even accepted a Cabinet level position. Maybe Warner, but I think both are more influential outside of the Cabinet and can say whatever they want versus working under him. Perhaps getting some folks from the House would be a good idea.

Oh, reading the article, its all about trying to maintain dem seats in the Senate.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

pulling good senators out of their seats for cabinet positions is dumb though

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010


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Ultra Carp
Plucking sitting elected officials for the cabinet backfired pretty badly for the Obama administration and the Trump administration, so it's honestly a pretty defensible call. Plus, even if Sanders wanted to be Secretary of Labor, he'll be head of the Budget Committee should the Dems manage to flip the Senate, and that's a pretty hefty consolation prize.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

It's very funny if Elizabeth Warren ever thought she'd get anything in exchange for helping hand the election to the guy she got in politics to oppose.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

It would be a good way to get someone like, say, Diane Feinstein out of the Senate before her term is up and into some functionally useless cabinet position. No way in hell that would happen of course.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Why put a far left radical like Feinstein in the admin? With Trump behind us, it's time to reach across the aisle and demonstrate a commitment to bipartisanship.

Arven
Sep 23, 2007
As much as I doubt they actually will do anything with it, it's a sign that they actually want a congressional majority, so that's something at least.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Best Friends posted:

Why put a far left radical like Feinstein in the admin?

I'm sorry the what named Feinstein?

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
They're right, we need more center left people like Joe Manchin in the cabinet.

stinkypete
Nov 27, 2007
wow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thh3zzmMsiw

I am with you guys

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

https://twitter.com/thrasherxy/status/1325865699533856768?s=21

It's wild how all three Emmanuel bothers became so successful and such bad people in three distict fields

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ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

Fister Roboto posted:

It would be a good way to get someone like, say, Diane Feinstein out of the Senate before her term is up and into some functionally useless cabinet position. No way in hell that would happen of course.

She will not leave till she dies or strokes out and is unable to speak.

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