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 Bernie is gone and you can't stomach voting for either rapist: what to do? Vote for Gloria La Riva of the Party for Socialism & Liberation! quote:
Q. Isn't this just throwing away my vote? A. Bourgeois electoralism didn't even let you vote for a social democrat Q. Wont this get Trump elected? A. Trump is going to clown on Biden harder than the globetrotters Q. Why not Jill Stein and the Greens? A. Stein is a quack grifter Q. But Howie Hawkins is fronting for the Greens! A. Shut up nerd Huragok has issued a correction as of 18:13 on Apr 8, 2020 |
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Sure, I guess I'll go vote for her.
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Apr 8, 2020 16:49
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sounds good to me
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Apr 8, 2020 16:49
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isnt there already a la riva thread
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Apr 8, 2020 16:49
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Takanago posted:isnt there already a la riva thread Why do you hate democracy?
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Apr 8, 2020 16:50
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Is she on the ballot in all states
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Apr 8, 2020 16:55
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Huragok posted:Why do you hate democracy? are we at the point where leftist orgs are splitting into literally identical versions of themselves https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3916886
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Apr 8, 2020 16:58
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Takanago posted:isnt there already a la riva thread
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Apr 8, 2020 16:59
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that was basically mao telling people to 
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Apr 8, 2020 16:59
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he was a real poster's poster you could say
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Apr 8, 2020 17:00
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:he was a real poster's poster you could say even had a little red book so everyone could get his posts
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Apr 8, 2020 17:06
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:he was a real poster's poster you could say ordering a poster of a poster's poster to post near my posting station
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Apr 8, 2020 17:09
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greetings gamers how do i suuport gloria la riva
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Apr 8, 2020 18:02
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Howie Hawkins will be the nominee of the Greens, not Jill Stein
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Apr 8, 2020 18:10
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cant wait to vote psl again
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Apr 8, 2020 18:10
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Maximo Roboto posted:Howie Hawkins will be the nominee of the Greens, not Jill Stein ffs OP it’s 2020, not 2016. Vote for PSL or the Green Party; anyone but the Demonrat Party lead by a senile lich.
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Apr 8, 2020 18:13
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Even the third party vote is split! BA din tiss
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Apr 8, 2020 18:13
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Maximo Roboto posted:Howie Hawkins will be the nominee of the Greens, not Jill Stein Thanks I updated the OP
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Apr 8, 2020 18:13
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Huragok posted:even had a little red book so everyone could get his posts Everyone order a copy now - and Marxism-Leninism books in general - before Trump outlaws them after his reelection.
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Apr 8, 2020 18:16
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Welp Bernie is only getting my write-in vote if he stays in til the convention. Planning to vote for the socialist party instead and under no circumstances am I voting for any demented rapists
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Apr 8, 2020 18:22
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How do I get Comrade Gloria on the ballot in Missouri?
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Apr 8, 2020 18:46
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Thermal Anomaly posted:Welp Bernie is only getting my write-in vote if he stays in til the convention. Planning to vote for the socialist party instead and under no circumstances am I voting for any demented rapists he's out and the primaries will be cancelled now La Riva 2020!
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Apr 8, 2020 18:56
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Voted for her in 2016, will do so again in November.
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Apr 8, 2020 18:59
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SorePotato posted:Even the third party vote is split! BA din tiss getting back to some real BAsics here 
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Apr 8, 2020 20:02
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What does it mean when people describe the PSL as a “Marcyite” formation?
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Apr 8, 2020 21:54
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:he was a real poster's poster you could say mao was one of the most prolific posters in the history of the planet printed out all his best tweets for everyone to carry around
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Apr 8, 2020 23:29
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I met Gloria La Riva at a talk she gave! In addition to telling racists to shut up about the DPRK she liked my hair. I love my motorcycle-aunt non-rapist presidential candidate.
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Apr 8, 2020 23:32
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Pomp posted:greetings gamers how do i suuport gloria la riva gloria of rivia
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:What does it mean when people describe the PSL as a “Marcyite” formation? Sam Marcy considered himself a Trotskyist, and broke with the CPUSA during the Browderite period, viewing it as opportunist, but he upheld the Soviet Union as socialist. He joined the SWP, but quickly found principled anti-imperialists to be in the minority. Ultimately, after struggling for a long time for an anti-imperialist line, he lead the pro-Soviet elements in breaking with the party, ultimately forming the Worker's World Party. Elements of the WWP, prominently the San Francisco branch, broke away and, with some other elements, I think ex-CPUSA, formed the PSL in the early 2000's. Presently, the party considers itself neutral on the Stalin vs Trotsky question, but in practice we have far more in common with folks who'd be called Stalinists than with any forces calling themselves Trotskyist.
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May 10, 2020 06:18
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marcyists also get associated with the fruit-salad-of-flag-emojis-in-twitter-bio school of marxists, noted by their uncompromising defense of real-existing socialist states. from my reading, though might be wrong, is this rests on the idea that imperialism is the central contradiction, and socialists have a duty to root against their own country if it's imperialist, so you might as well go for broke. whereas the CPUSA types tend to see marcyists as representing an "ultraleft" deviation, since marcyism (i think?) rejects popular fronts, but it has often been the case that the countries you're defending from imperialism have supported popular fronts. like during the vietnam war, the marcyists would show up at a rally with the slogan "victory to the viet cong" printed in full impact font, while the CPUSA would have the slogan "out now" or like essentially a "pro-peace" line as opposed to a pro-war line for the other side (a viet cong victory). obviously that is what you're rooting for either way since someone was going to win the war, but it scares the liberal peaceniks you'd want to bring over. but then the marcyists would say that's just opportunism. but then the communist party of vietnam was fighting for its survival and looking for any allies it could get, and i don't think they had problems with that approach. so yeah i think they adjusted though and adopted "united front" tactics (as opposed to popular front... some differences) which is to the left of a popular front, but not as sectarian as they once were. but it means that they're going to be in control of the united front so it doesn't get watered down by the liberals, and their vehicle for this is the ANSWER Coalition which has punched above its weight, also noteworthy for the defense of the venezuelan embassy last year. the PSL has a reputation for being tightly-knit and able to mobilize quickly, and is very disciplined, but it's also not for everyone and there are certain expectations on the membership in terms of activity and dues (which i hear are pretty high). "sectarian" isn't quite the word i'm looking for, but they have a reputation for focusing on their own actions, and others can come along for the ride or not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXEeS0QvTYY the dude speaking at 16 seconds or so is brain becker who is one of the PSL supremos. they're not my jazz but that said, i don't think the maduro was sitting in caracas and being like "oh no, how ultra-left of them." i'm sure he was happy there were people willing to take off in a jiffy and defend the embassy. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 11:52 on May 10, 2020 |
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May 10, 2020 11:45
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Huragok posted:even had a little red book so everyone could get his posts Everyone here should have a copy
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May 10, 2020 20:00
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I'd say that's a pretty fair characterization. (Replying to BrutalistMcDonalds)
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May 10, 2020 20:04
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I've heard that the PSL has a history of showing up to smaller activist movements and siphoning any talented people/resources they can find; but IDK how true that is. I legit am really thinking about casting a vote for either the PSL or the Greens if Howie Hawkins is the Green nom. My main points of worry are 1)Voting for the Greens might be better tactically since if they get 5% of the vote it might destroy the hated Two-Party System 2)Concerns that I've listed above 3) I'm a dumb ancomkiddie so hardline MLism is big stinky to me; though from what I understand they're pretty chill on that front. Tldr: red pill me on the PSL over cool union green train man.
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May 11, 2020 06:51
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mcclay posted:I've heard that the PSL has a history of showing up to smaller activist movements and siphoning any talented people/resources they can find; but IDK how true that is. I legit am really thinking about casting a vote for either the PSL or the Greens if Howie Hawkins is the Green nom. My main points of worry are To be upfront, to judge just from Hawkin's self-descriptions, he is probably closer to Anarchism in his thinking than we are. We try not to be dicks to anarchists, we believe in the broadest possible principled unity against our class enemies, but we are unequivocally ML. That said, there are a couple reasons I think an Anarchist might want to favor Gloria. First, speaking just in terms of the Greens, I think Hawkins' statements here https://www.facebook.com/primonutmeg/videos/227138485033094/ represent a real step back from the Stein/Baraka ticket: he refused to give a strong defense of Stein when she was being Russia-baited, and couldn't comment on the espionage charges against Assange without denouncing him, and while eventually saying that he shouldn't be prosecuted for the 2010 charges, but was open to prosecuting him on other espionage charges. Second, my impression of the left unity that the Hawkins ticket is trying to embody, is that it is a unity of parties that are not only not growing at this time of upsurge, but in severe decline, and I don't see his campaign reversing that decline, or breathing a great deal of life into the Greens. I don't know if things are drastically different on the east coast, but I only found out the SPUSA even existed where I am when their entire local membership split to form their own party. Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 08:44 on May 11, 2020 |
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May 11, 2020 08:00
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:
ANSWER is WWP, not PSL. In fact the use of front organizations seems to have been the main strategic impetus for their split.
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May 11, 2020 14:10
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can anyone explain to me why the psl keeps running la riva, specifically? i understand they're not actually running to win the presidency i just find it odd to run the same candidate over and over again. as an okie i can't vote for la riva so this is mostly a hypothetical question
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May 11, 2020 17:41
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Dreddout posted:can anyone explain to me why the psl keeps running la riva, specifically? i understand they're not actually running to win the presidency i just find it odd to run the same candidate over and over again. I agree she’s a lovely communicator and they need someone else
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May 11, 2020 18:00
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IMO the problem with the 3rd parties that exist is they seem to just go for only high value positions. There aren't many green party members in office really. They need to get a gang together somewhere viable and take over local positions and work their way up. Take the high value PR opportunities, but I mean if you can get a small town to go full PSL then it shows you are serious.
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May 11, 2020 18:13
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i think it's kinda like skywriting except it's the party for socialism and liberation printed on the ballot and exposing people to it who wouldn't discover it on a dead gay comedy forum like normal people defensible. that said i prefer the socialist alternative approach of electing a city council member and then having that council member sit there for years being an enormous pain in the rear end to the local boojies
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i think it's kinda like skywriting except it's the party for socialism and liberation printed on the ballot and exposing people to it who wouldn't discover it on a dead gay comedy forum like normal people It's the Leninist view, participation in capitalist elections is for the purpose of propaganda and agitation, not an actual route to political power, at least in an imperialist country. And we do run for lower level offices, one of our best showings lately was comrade Natalie Hrizi's run for California Insurance Commissioner, which was quite important to keeping the PFP on the ballot here.
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