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Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


If you check your reviews, a lot of home seed savers are on Ebay; I managed to find some rare stuff there, including standards like Kentucky Wonder beans.

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Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

ebay is also good for getting small quantities of seeds if you're quarantining, used to be you could get a packet of anything commonplace for $1 right in your mailbox if you didn't mind waiting a week. now the prices have gone up of course. i've also bought some kaffir lime seeds there and had decent success

you should be careful on ebay though, because a lot of the more exotic seeds ship from overseas, which you should probably avoid unless you want to get on wikipedia as the person who brought some blight into the united states

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Dustcat posted:

i've also bought some kaffir lime seeds there and had decent success

High five, kaffir lime buddy

Is it just me or do they grow really really slowly

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

twoday posted:

High five, kaffir lime buddy

Is it just me or do they grow really really slowly

i started mine last october and they took several weeks to germinate, then i think they grew about three inches in their first month under a plant light. then they slowed down a lot, although that may have been because the light needed new bulbs. gonna see if they get going again in the actual sun

this is mine now:



and here are a couple of understudies in case something eats the star:



the one in the back is a seedling from an heirloom orange from a local farm that i'm hoping will be hardy enough to plant in the yard. the kaffir lime will have to live in a pot because it needs to come in when it freezes

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I planted two pieris cavatines today

Kibbles n Shits
Apr 8, 2006

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Fun Shoe
Hello thread I want to grow things to eat in order to stay busy and also delay my inevitable starvation, but most of my yard is occluded by trees. What are some things that grow without a lot of direct sunlight?

Also, should I start composting first or is there a way to get going with quality soil right away? I'm very new to the concept of having plants that don't die.

I plan on building some raised beds, not sure yet what dimensions. Ultimately the lumber will have to fit in a Mazda 3 hatchback.

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author


what number are you

Kibbles n Shits
Apr 8, 2006

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Fun Shoe

twoday posted:



what number are you

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net work error
Feb 26, 2011

twoday posted:



what number are you

1

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

I am unfamiliar with what grows well in this climactic zone besides melons, but if you have room for them, why not

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010

Zone 5 here. Is it too late to toss cucumber seeds in the ground? That along with tomatoes was the only thing that really grew well in my heavily shaded yard. drat deer kept eating my tomatoes before I could get to them last year.

I switched to a job in the city, so wasn't expecting to be working from home all this spring so I wasn't planning on a garden this year.

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

twoday posted:



what number are you

these are weird zone numbers for the US by the way, usually the agricultural zone system here goes north to south from 1 to 10

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
I have no idea what's normal, but here is a site that has planting timelines per zone, and it has its own map so check which zone you are in and select that in the pulldown menu to see your timeline

https://sympathink.com/vegetables/planting-calendar/

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos
Just use the USDA's if you're an american. All your seeds and poo poo will say "zone 6-9" or whatever which references this chart

full size (linked because it's 10,000 pixels wide)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/2012_USDA_Plant_Hardiness_Zone_Map_%28USA%29.jpg

I'm a 6b, myself.

edit: if you're in the south you should've been planting already as unless you're in the mountains you've already had last frost

edit2: the thing twoday posted above uses the usda chart as well

Peanut President has issued a correction as of 00:53 on Apr 16, 2020

AphexMandelbrot
Mar 31, 2002
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apartment situation: quick question -- is an AeroGarden worth it? on the fence, porch doesn't get enough sunlight for full sun. lacking that, is there a better alternative?

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

AphexMandelbrot posted:

apartment situation: quick question -- is an AeroGarden worth it? on the fence, porch doesn't get enough sunlight for full sun. lacking that, is there a better alternative?

i don't have an aerogarden but they always seemed overpriced to me, because for the same price you can get a four-foot T5 plant light with four or even eight tubes that lets you grow anything you like in regular pots or really anything that can hold dirt

i have a four-tube one in the kitchen to start seedlings in the spring, and now to grow microgreens to garnish my quarantine beans



here's some mustard seed i planted as an experiment, with a few leftover beets on the left, cuke and sugar snap pea seedlings in the peat pots getting ready to transplant, and a bunch of speckled peas i'm growing for sprouts. i'm also going to try growing some spinach and bibb lettuce under it, will report on progress if any

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

AphexMandelbrot posted:

apartment situation: quick question -- is an AeroGarden worth it? on the fence, porch doesn't get enough sunlight for full sun. lacking that, is there a better alternative?

too good for dirt??

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010

We got an aero garden for herbs, working out alright but the pods we got for thyme and mint were a bust, unfortunately.

I would wait for a sale before snagging one if you are apartment living. You can also see if wherever you live has a community garden close by your place if you want some dirt to grow plants in.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

AphexMandelbrot posted:

apartment situation: quick question -- is an AeroGarden worth it? on the fence, porch doesn't get enough sunlight for full sun. lacking that, is there a better alternative?

Seems like you should look into DIY aquaponics. From what little I've read, it seems like you can grow much bigger plants with a DIY setup for the same price as an aerogarden

Spoondick
Jun 9, 2000

got my dripline up and running today and decided to post about it

why do dripline?

dripline allows you to put a specific amount of water exactly where you want it, reducing water waste, erosion and weeding... with a timer you can gently caress off and be super lazy when it's over 100 out and not have to worry about dragging a hose around every day

why not do dripline?

a hose is cheap and you may have ample free time to stand outside with a hose every day idk

things you need:

basic tools: punch and cut tool to make holes in 1/2" dripline and slice up dripline, zip ties, maybe some vise grips

dripline: 1/2" mainlines and 1/4" emitter lines are standard in the states, leave them in the sun s little bit before using to soften them and make connections easier

fittings and connectors: fitting to transition hose bib or garden hose to 1/2" dripline, some t fittings to split 1/2" lines, 1/4" barbed connectors, i prefer screw-tight fittings to compression fittings because they seem more secure and are easier to reuse

emitters: there's like a thousand varieties but i prefer variable emitters that let you dial in a flow rate starting at 0gpm, on a stake, and come with a free barbed connector... and i use sprinklers, bubblers or misters depending on circumstances

metal wire stakes to hold the dripline in place unless you're burying it

optional: programmable timer, y adapter for the hose bib so you don't lose functionality to the dripline

setting up:

in my current system i have the timer coming off the hose bib connected to the 1/2" dripline adapter, put a t connector in about 6 feet down the line and have one line supplying my pots and one line supplying the garden, cut 4' portions of 1/4" line put a barbed connector in one end and the emitter in the other, punch a hole in the 1/2" line and stick the barbed connector in... to terminate a line all you need to do is fold it over to kink it and hold it in place with a zip tie

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
what is a dripline?

Spoondick
Jun 9, 2000

twoday posted:

what is a dripline?

more expensive and controlled than poking holes in a garden hose with a nail and laying it next to whatever you want watered, but pretty much the same thing in concept

Spoondick
Jun 9, 2000

dripline emitters do all sorts of things depending on your needs... you can get emitters that encircle a tree and distribute water over the roots evenly, you can use underground soaker line to water an entire garden row at the roots, or you can use emitters to target a specific plant or group of plants... emitters are rated with a flow rate of gallons per minute, coverage angle and the pattern of the emitted water... i use variable emitters mostly because as plants grow they need increasing water over time and it's nice to be able to shut an emitter off completely when not in use

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Kibbles n Shits posted:

Hello thread I want to grow things to eat in order to stay busy and also delay my inevitable starvation, but most of my yard is occluded by trees. What are some things that grow without a lot of direct sunlight?

Many root vegetables can take shade.

Raspberries and blackberries do well in shade, some would say too well, in that they can take over a lot of land if you let them.

This is a longer term investment, but plant a paw paw because they’re practically the only fruit tree that likes shade.

Platystemon has issued a correction as of 05:13 on Apr 16, 2020

Abongination
Aug 18, 2010

Life, it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come.
Pillbug

Spoondick posted:

got my dripline up and running today and decided to post about it

why do dripline?

dripline allows you to put a specific amount of water exactly where you want it, reducing water waste, erosion and weeding... with a timer you can gently caress off and be super lazy when it's over 100 out and not have to worry about dragging a hose around every day

why not do dripline?

a hose is cheap and you may have ample free time to stand outside with a hose every day idk

things you need:

basic tools: punch and cut tool to make holes in 1/2" dripline and slice up dripline, zip ties, maybe some vise grips

dripline: 1/2" mainlines and 1/4" emitter lines are standard in the states, leave them in the sun s little bit before using to soften them and make connections easier

fittings and connectors: fitting to transition hose bib or garden hose to 1/2" dripline, some t fittings to split 1/2" lines, 1/4" barbed connectors, i prefer screw-tight fittings to compression fittings because they seem more secure and are easier to reuse

emitters: there's like a thousand varieties but i prefer variable emitters that let you dial in a flow rate starting at 0gpm, on a stake, and come with a free barbed connector... and i use sprinklers, bubblers or misters depending on circumstances

metal wire stakes to hold the dripline in place unless you're burying it

optional: programmable timer, y adapter for the hose bib so you don't lose functionality to the dripline

setting up:

in my current system i have the timer coming off the hose bib connected to the 1/2" dripline adapter, put a t connector in about 6 feet down the line and have one line supplying my pots and one line supplying the garden, cut 4' portions of 1/4" line put a barbed connector in one end and the emitter in the other, punch a hole in the 1/2" line and stick the barbed connector in... to terminate a line all you need to do is fold it over to kink it and hold it in place with a zip tie

I’ve had bad experience with drip line clogging so generally prefer sprinkler heads covering areas. least you can tell if it’s not working.

My dream setup it overhead drippers I think.

Spoondick
Jun 9, 2000

Abongination posted:

I’ve had bad experience with drip line clogging so generally prefer sprinkler heads covering areas. least you can tell if it’s not working.

My dream setup it overhead drippers I think.

yeah, happens more frequently if you bury the line as silt seeps in, need to flush the system by opening the ends of the 1/2" lines and letting it rip every couple months to keep the lines clear... it helps to use a little too much 1/4" emitter line because if you have a problematic emitter you can snip it off the end of the line and swap in a new one quick

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
There are emitters that clog less, and emitters where the body unscrews so the channels can be rinsed out.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

excited to see if this snowstorm kills my radishes

ZeusCannon
Nov 5, 2009

BLAAAAAARGH PLEASE KILL ME BLAAAAAAAARGH
Grimey Drawer
Im bored and want to try growing carrots. Any recommendations for seeds?

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Platystemon posted:

Many root vegetables can take shade.

Raspberries and blackberries do well in shade, some would say too well, in that they can take over a lot of land if you let them.

This is a longer term investment, but plant a paw paw because they’re practically the only fruit tree that likes shade.

I'd never heard of those until like 2 months ago when I was wandering around in the back corner of a local nursery, those look pretty cool. Too bad the nursery wanted $200 for them. Instead I got some Asian pear trees and put those in. One of them is doing great, the other one I think is in too much shade and isn't really leafing well. Ah well. Put some corn in a few days ago too, hopefully it will do well. Running out of full-sun areas in the yard, maybe I'll spend some TRUMPBUX on that paw-paw thing.

Spoondick
Jun 9, 2000

start of drip irrigation system with hose bib, y adapter, timer, threaded 3/4" to 1/2" screw-tight fitting and 1/2" line:


rescued grape with hopefully germinating nightshades:


bean pot, made these last year by drilling holes near the rim and using large gauge steel fencing wire to make a cage, worked well for tomatoes and peppers:


one of my emitters doing its thing:


terminating 1/2" line with a zip tie:


recently transplanted sage in the main garden area:


getting the garden ready for transplants:


using some concepts of permaculture in my garden:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture

exclusively relying on compost and mulching for soil nutrients, mixed composted horse manure and mulch into the soil when it was tilled, doing sheet mulching with leaves to promote a healthy microbial, fungal and insect ecosystem, encourage earthworm activity, prevent weeds and improve soil moisture

turd in my singlet
Jul 5, 2008

DO ALL DA WORK

WIT YA NECK

*heavy metal music playing*
Nap Ghost
My parents house has a decent-ish garden area but they've never been able to get to really produce much. It doesn't have the best sun, maybe 6 hours from like 11-5 and they think that's part of it. It's also a cleared area in a forest (why the sun is so lovely) and on a hill in the mountains so idk if that will affect the soil or w/e. Are there any vegetables that are more tolerant of those conditions? They've tried like squash, peppers, tomatoes, beans but never had any luck. The potatoes were apparently the only thing doing well last year but something broke them off at the stem.

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
Wow, that's a pretty sweet irrigation system, especially if it's automatic.

I have a new tomato plant, psyched to eat tomatoes in several months

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010

turd in my singlet posted:

My parents house has a decent-ish garden area but they've never been able to get to really produce much. It doesn't have the best sun, maybe 6 hours from like 11-5 and they think that's part of it. It's also a cleared area in a forest (why the sun is so lovely) and on a hill in the mountains so idk if that will affect the soil or w/e. Are there any vegetables that are more tolerant of those conditions? They've tried like squash, peppers, tomatoes, beans but never had any luck. The potatoes were apparently the only thing doing well last year but something broke them off at the stem.

I have that same problem in my backyard of limited shade due to trees surrounding it. May not be as bad as your parents, since I was able to get tomatoes, snap peas and peppers growing. My problem was the deer eating my tomatoes plants before they finished ripening.

Started with a 4x6 plot last year, starting to try a 4x 12 plot and see what happens with a couple of rows

Spoondick
Jun 9, 2000

HiHo ChiRho posted:

I have that same problem in my backyard of limited shade due to trees surrounding it. May not be as bad as your parents, since I was able to get tomatoes, snap peas and peppers growing. My problem was the deer eating my tomatoes plants before they finished ripening.

Started with a 4x6 plot last year, starting to try a 4x 12 plot and see what happens with a couple of rows

deer are the worst, one time i planted a dozen or so pepper plants in a planter box in my backyard and one day i left the gate open so a deer moseyed in and chewed all the plants down to the roots... another time i was trying to make an ornamental fence out of grapevines and the deer wouldn't leave the grapes alone so i had to spray this rancid egg and cayenne mixture all over the leaves once a week to keep them away, they seem to leave herbs or anything with a strong flavor alone at least

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

my backyard is seemingly part of deer I95 and my garden is a pit stop in Delaware

Spoondick
Jun 9, 2000

i had a problem for a couple weeks last summer when feral peacocks were eating my tomatoes

Ayin
Jan 6, 2010

Have a great day.

ZeusCannon posted:

Im bored and want to try growing carrots. Any recommendations for seeds?
You can also use the tops of carrots you get at the store, although it won't get as long as the one you cut it off of

Spoondick posted:

the deer wouldn't leave the grapes alone so i had to spray this rancid egg and cayenne mixture all over the leaves once a week to keep them away, they seem to leave herbs or anything with a strong flavor alone at least
My neighbor swore by dumping beer on his plants to keep the deer off, although I don't know how often he did it
like it wasn't the beer on the leaves that kept them away, but having it in the soil

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Atrocious Joe posted:

excited to see if this snowstorm kills my radishes

Radish update: still alive

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

sullat posted:

I'd never heard of those until like 2 months ago when I was wandering around in the back corner of a local nursery, those look pretty cool. Too bad the nursery wanted $200 for them. Instead I got some Asian pear trees and put those in. One of them is doing great, the other one I think is in too much shade and isn't really leafing well. Ah well. Put some corn in a few days ago too, hopefully it will do well. Running out of full-sun areas in the yard, maybe I'll spend some TRUMPBUX on that paw-paw thing.

At that price, I suppose it’s a specimen in a twenty‐four‐inch box.

If you can find one in a six‐inch pot, they go for twenty or thirty bucks.

You need two of different cultivars, or seedlings, to provide pollen for each other. Otherwise you don’t get any fruit.

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