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Oh Mike Bennett was used. He was humiliated because Vince had as much remorse offering the contract as Bennett had signing it.
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I mean if I got offered 500k, I’d take it but he and Maria were probably told stories and stories about “you’re going to be in this storyline and you’ll win this belt” and they fell for it
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Miching Mallecho posted:I mean if I got offered 500k, I’d take it but he and Maria were probably told stories and stories about “you’re going to be in this storyline and you’ll win this belt” and they fell for it Even if they weren't told that kind of story, I can't blame someone for thinking they could take starring in cuckoldry storylines for $500,000 and then realizing they weren't comfortable with how it was going once they were actually on television.
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Signing to job out on Main Event and the occasional Raw hour two is one thing. The angles Mike and Maria were put through are another level entirely, imo.
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to anybody who leaves or gets fired and complains about wwe i'd say good on you for seeing the light sucka fucka. whether they're making 20k in nxt or still 20k after being called up from nxt due to the virus
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i mean for perspective, look at 2019 in a vacuum. wwe let three wrestlers go earlier in the year, goldust, tye dillinger, and dean ambrose (granted they didnt have any say in the last one). what happens as soon as they let these guys go? They go to AEW and all of them (to that point) immediately become stars and actual players in the new company. based on this precedent, wwe was of course going to clamp down even tighter, yes, even with mike and maria, because god forbid if it somehow turns into a main event act in the new company. its laughable to think about that now but following double or nothing and fyter fest, shawn spears and dustin rhodes stock had never, ever been higher. it was the razor ramon/diesel effect all over again. thats why i could see them begrudgingly offering high 6 figures to mike and maria, and then resenting that they HAVE to pay these JOBBERS this much money, they book them in a way to gently caress with them and demoralise them. i dont hold blame on mike for accepting a new deal with a kid on the way (and pro move to mike and maria for signing those deals then immediately when the ink was dry announce that marias pregnant). i absolutely hold blame on wwe for actively trying to gently caress with his personal life with their angles, just the same way they tried to gently caress with miro and cj's personal life. support wrestlers.
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JOHN CENA posted:(and pro move to mike and maria for signing those deals then immediately when the ink was dry announce that marias pregnant). According to them WWE knew they were planning at least Mike posted:“It was absolutely talked about. Every contract negotiation we went in there, because we actually at one point were talking about Maria just back in a creative role, not even coming back as a wrestler or a manager or any kind of on-screen talent. Maybe coming back and doing stuff with the girls down in NXT or helping be on the writing team. Because that’s what she loves to do now. She just loves helping, using her mind to help other people succeed. When we started talking to them, we said, ‘Look, we’re getting to that point where I’m 34, Maria’s 38, we want to have our kids when we want to have our kids.’ When we talked to them they were great. They were like, ‘Yeah, that’s not a problem at all.’ We told them. They 100% knew and they still offered us those contracts.” Maria posted:"I wanted WWE to know we're going to try and have another child," Kanellis said. "WWE came back and they were like no we want to bring you back as a full-time talent again and we understand that you want to have a bigger family and have another child and we're totally cool with that. When they came back with it, I was like alright, we're golden, we're going to keep building our family and make more money and WWE understands." So they signed new deals in June 2019, and then the baby was born Feb 3rd 2020. That means she probably got pregnant around mid May 2019, and then announced 8 weeks later in Mid July 2019. Edit: The episode she announced she was pregnant was the July 1st 2019 Raw. So that puts the pregnancy happening probably 8 weeks prior to that at early May before they signed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXBDQpknrZw Astro7x fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Aug 18, 2020 |
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Astro7x posted:I just can't believe they pay Mike and Maria a total of $500,000 a year to do nothing, and then they're miserable. I don't know, I can't think of a job I'd hate that much for a quarter million dollars a year. $250,000 is a lot of money for sure but it’s absolutely not the kind of money worth being miserable every day of your life for.
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JUNGLE BOY posted:$250,000 is a lot of money for sure but it’s absolutely not the kind of money worth being miserable every day of your life for. gently caress that I’ll take 250k a year to spend 3-4 days a week travelling around and sitting backstage at arenas doing nothing. VVVVV that’s pretty much any given job because most workplaces loving suck. I maintain my position. History Comes Inside! fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Aug 18, 2020 |
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the people who get paid to do nothing don't actually get to just sit there quietly on their phone the whole time or whatever. you have tons of people way up their own rear end yelling at you and others about dumb poo poo that they're wrong about, and various other forms of bigtiming verbal abuse disguised as coaching/teaching going on. that's before you get to interpersonal wrestler drama which i guess is nowhere near as bad as it used to be but there are still plenty of bad eggs as we're constantly reminded of. if you're already having your humanity sucked out day in and day out for much less money i can understand looking at it as a cushy position though. the main reason i'm glad of wrestlers complaining about wwe is because wwe is a big fuckin piece of poo poo and it would be great if more people were turned off from it being their ultimate dream. we could save the next kevin owens from being a big dumb rear end
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There is no amount of money that can make you happy though having money makes it easier to be happy. I personally think I'd be miserable at any amount of money if I was being paid to scream that I can't be touched in a wrestling match because I'm pregnant and my husband isn't man enough to knock me up. I feel like that would make me unhappy.
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Gumball Gumption posted:There is no amount of money that can make you happy though having money makes it easier to be happy. I personally think I'd be miserable at any amount of money if I was being paid to scream that I can't be touched in a wrestling match because I'm pregnant and my husband isn't man enough to knock me up. I feel like that would make me unhappy. And just to piggyback onto that: consider that Vince McMahon, the man who took over pro wrestling to the point that his vision of what it should be is basically accepted as the default over almost the entire world, is obviously not even remotely satisfied with all the money his efforts have brought him. At some point there's no amount of money that can cure a person's insecurities and paranoia. Or to put it another way, Spike Milligan posted:Money can't buy you happiness, but it can afford you a more comfortable form of misery.
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There's people paid way less than $250k to travel 3-4 days a week, and they generally still have to work the rest of the normal hours and don't get to do it with their spouses. I'm not saying it's the best or easiest living, but the Bennetts could have done way worse.
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if someone gave anybody a billion dollars and took it away the first time they complained, it would be gone in a couple weeks at the very longest and even that's a stretch. Nobody here is really doing it but when you read people telling rich athletes to shut up it's more of a denial of the human condition than anything else
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I dunno I think some people are underestimating the impact a sum as ‘little’ as a 250k annual salary would have on the lives of a lot of people even with the strings that come attached to a job in WWE. That’s more than 10x what a lot of people make in a year working jobs they hate infinitely more than any wrestler has ever hated working for the WWE outside of the victims of incredibly serious cases of abuse and misconduct. For 250k a year no joke I’d kiss Vince’s rear end in the middle of the ring every single night and then smile and wave to the crowd the whole time on my walk to the back with my pants around my ankles because he thinks that’s funny. Edit: if he promised me 5 years and then fired me halfway in I’d still be pissed though and think it’d be reasonable to be that way History Comes Inside! fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Aug 18, 2020 |
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Yeah, part of it comes from knowing that between you and your wife that you'd be making $2.5 Million over 5 years, so yeah, maybe you just go through it because of the pay day. But it has to sting when you're fired 9 months into your 5 year deal and get considerably less than that. I guess we don't know what they were making before the contract renewal last year because they were not as public about it.
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Dan Matha got arrested for no-showing a scheduled court appearance https://heelbynature.com/wrestling-news/former-nxt-star-dan-matha-arrested-after-missing-court-date-for-traffic-violation/
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It also really sucks to be good at something, get a job at the world's biggest provider of said thing, and then get parked in the break room not ever doing said thing. While you travel from site to site largely on your own dime. And if you do get called out of there to do something, which you are eager to jump on, it's insanely demeaning for no good reason. Yes yes, they know who they chose to work for and all, but one can still empathize with someone who is having their talent and hard work squandered out of malice or brutal incompetence
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If you're nearing the end of your career and feel you have a good library of work behind you, or have a family that needs support or just want to make money while the goings good, I can totally understand wanting to stay in WWE.
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Mike Bennett isn't particularly good at his job though so there is that
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Edge & Christian posted:That's basically it, it's probably not legal and it's been challenged before but the United States has not spent the 21st century being particularly interested in workers' rights and WWE has never faced a serious court challenge from someone with the resources to drag it out, to my recollection. IIRC the only one who tried was Lesnar, and he only challenged the non-compete.
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Nut Bunnies posted:Mike Bennett isn't particularly good at his job though so there is that Perhaps. But he and his wife seem like nice people. So given the choice between barracking for them or barracking for Vince McMahon, I will take barracking for them. No matter how mediocre he is/was at fake fighting. (As I assume would you. I am not attacking you.) Edit: Semi unrelated question. Do we know how JTG was able to get away with being paid for sitting at home for so long without being fired? How and why did he manage to stay under the radar for as long as he did?
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Nut Bunnies posted:Mike Bennett isn't particularly good at his job though so there is that he's perfectly passable.
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BrigadierSensible posted:
He never picked up his phone!
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Good of course is relative. There are a lot of bad wrestlers out there and many of them made it to WWE.
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Liquid Communism posted:IIRC the only one who tried was Lesnar, and he only challenged the non-compete.
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I'm assuming that's because it's mostly nobodies trying to sue the WWE who have infinite time and resources. The WWE broke Punk and made him turn on his friends. Lesner only won because he had both the money and didn't give a poo poo about the WWE and it's why he's still getting paid multi millions by Vince to this day.
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Weird post transfer poo poo
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How the gently caress did that get in here from the aew thread
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Oh Snapple! posted:How the gently caress dud that get in here from the aew thread you've been released from the AEW threads, i'm afraid 
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Edge & Christian posted:Other people on here would know better than me, but there have also been some class action lawsuits about 'independent contractor' status in the past several years, but for whatever reason it keeps getting folded into concussion-related lawsuits, ligitated on behalf of people who generally worked for only a small percentage of their careers in WWE, and represented by Konstantine Kyros who does not appear to be a great lawyer. RealFoxy posted:I'm assuming that's because it's mostly nobodies trying to sue the WWE who have infinite time and resources. The WWE broke Punk and made him turn on his friends. Lesner only won because he had both the money and didn't give a poo poo about the WWE and it's why he's still getting paid multi millions by Vince to this day.
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weird to think how different that relationship plays out if cabana does just remove the podcast.
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davidbix posted:I would love to know if—assuming WWE backed the Amann suit, which we all think they did—getting him to turn on Cabana was part of the plan. Especially since it feels like they were actively trying to ruin his life at times. Like...was there someone who realized "defamation lawsuits are expensive as hell, he'll get sticker shock and freak out on Cabana" or something like that? Although there is the part that's never really talked about where Punk pushed for a trial from the start and there was no attempt to toss the case (until just before trial in 2018) as a result. Even before the lawsuit happened Punk was an open book where he'd go way out of his way to help a friend out but was extremely fickle and willing to cut someone out of his life the second he thought he was being used. He's in the same camp as Chris Jericho. They'll both do really good things out of kindness but they're both total unapologetic loving morons too.
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i mean they deliberately released him on his wedding day and made sure to call him to make sure he knew he was being released that day, and then they were about to bury aj lee in booking but she smartly retired to get out of having to deal with that lovely system
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Watching CM Punk: Best in the World one of the truly great WWE-produced wrestling documentaries it hurts so much to see Joey Mercury in it knowing how bad their falling out was.
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davidbix posted:The Kyros stuff makes me really sad sometimes because some people view him as a huckster and that's not case. He's done some weird stuff procedurally with the lawsuits, but at the end of the day, he's absolutely genuine, it's just that he's not the guy for this. And he's done a lot more than just the lawsuits, making a point of helping wrestlers apply for disability, Social Security, etc. benefits that many of them had no idea were available to them. All without asking for anything other than his contingencies on the lawsuits that we all know he's never going to win.
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Lid posted:Watching CM Punk: Best in the World one of the truly great WWE-produced wrestling documentaries it hurts so much to see Joey Mercury in it knowing how bad their falling out was. i like all the morons in it being like "yah i knew he was something special from day 1", sure Michael P.S Hayes i believe you 
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Nut Bunnies posted:Mike Bennett isn't particularly good at his job though so there is that who gives a poo poo? A person's value isn't inherently tied to their job performance
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Lid posted:Watching CM Punk: Best in the World one of the truly great WWE-produced wrestling documentaries it hurts so much to see Joey Mercury in it knowing how bad their falling out was. What happened between those two? I had no idea they had fallen out. Last I heard about them was on the doc you mentioned, where Punk bought Joey a house.
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Oh Snapple! posted:How the gently caress did that get in here from the aew thread I guess it's not surprising though, most of the content in this thread ends up in AEW.
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