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I'm convinced some reviewers haven't played the first game. What the gently caress are they talking about?
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Brother Entropy posted:it's almost like it's a review of an entirely different game
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Jun 14, 2020 02:49
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Oh okay. Could've just said "It's a review of GTA5."
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Jun 14, 2020 02:54
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Reading about this game makes me sad because I thought the first game was a really nice character study of a sociopath, or at least a guy who acts like one to bury his grief. I hope beyond the dumb plot details there's something interesting like that here. Maybe I'll find out in a year or whenever it's cheap.
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Jun 19, 2020 10:37
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What are the grounds on which Mel calls Abby a piece of poo poo who shouldn't come on the escape boat? This seems to play out like she has a point since Abby doesn't challenge her, but what has Abby done beyond carry out the brutal operations of the Wolves (torture, child killing) that Mel doesn't participate in herself but has gone along with for years? I don't think Abby can be exonerated for what she's done but Mel comes off like a hypocrite here, especially when this comes just after Abby has betrayed the Wolves to save the Scars girl.
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Jul 13, 2021 07:00
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This far in I'm struggling to care that Ellie killed any of these people. They all suck except the Scar kids.
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Jul 13, 2021 07:24
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How long have I got to go? Ellie has just left Dina at the farm and I've got control of Abby again.
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Jul 14, 2021 02:24
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christmas boots posted:You’re in the endgame. Only a few hours left I’d say depending on your skill level. If you’re really good might be like an hour
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Jul 14, 2021 03:59
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Having finished, I had a good time but this won't leave a lasting impression on me like the first game. A point of the game is revenge is destructive to those around you and isn't a cure for grief, which I'd be fine with if Ellie's grief was handled in a similar way to Joel's. For Joel it hovers in the background and isn't a motivation for his journey. It colours his developing relationship with Ellie and then explodes in such a shocking way that it's more viscerally felt. It also makes you reflect on his past actions to make more plain how dubious a guy he is. TLoU2 tries to sustain the same emotion over 40 hours and it's clear with every beat where it's going and what point is being made. There's no surprises beyond minute to minute plot developments. But I really liked the scene with the lamb that captured her trauma so well.
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Jul 15, 2021 03:01
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bobjr posted:Yeah, I've seen some people think it's unrealistic that Ellie would leave to get Abby one last time based on a somewhat vague clue, but the lamb scene is really good at selling how she still isn't over things or able to put it behind her and work on moving on. It's most likely better than the planned hunting scene where she kills a boar that sounds like Joel. Joel is more interesting as a self-serving grief suppression machine who's convinced himself his mass murder and potential dooming of humanity was righteous if only because it allows him to cope. I found it odd that Tommy was so gung-ho to avenge Joel considering how hesitant he was around him in the first game as this destructive influence suddenly walking back into his life. snoremac fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Jul 15, 2021 |
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Jul 15, 2021 04:10
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Another thing I liked was the brief shot of Joel on the porch flashing before Ellie that leads her to spare Abby. That's where I could feel her grief transcending the moment, where she comprehends that Abby has nothing to do with the loss she's feeling. It's very nice.
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Jul 15, 2021 04:23
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Oxxidation posted:a lot of events surrounding 2lou's final act feel very contrived but the tommy's behavior is one of the less egregious examples. the guy had three years to reconnect with joel and convince himself that he'd turned over a new leaf, and everything after that was just sunk cost. even if you don't think the headshot wound scrambled his brains (and if you want to talk odd, how in the gently caress did he make it back to colorado with a freshly-dug trench in his face?), he'd have spent the next year or so without anything to occupy his thoughts but finishing the job he'd started
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Jul 15, 2021 04:26
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I was speaking of motivation in the sense that Ellie literally is travelling to Seattle for revenge. I forget the details, but I thought Joel initially set out to deliver Ellie to the Fireflies for some kind of reward, then gradually became close with her because she filled the hole his daughter had left, then did what he did because he couldn't cope with losing her. There's a progression of change in him throughout the story that makes it more compelling to me than Ellie in 2, who's left spinning her wheels from start to end without any development (until the end). Admittedly I've forgotten about Tess so maybe I have his early motivations wrong and it's more guilt driven than pragmatic. I thought the ending of 1 was shocking because it's the first time on-screen that Joel explicitly does something reprehensible. He's murdered/tortured a heap of people already but they were mostly cannibals. snoremac fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Jul 16, 2021 |
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Jul 16, 2021 04:22
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acksplode posted:It didn't shock me since off-screen in Joel's past he murdered innocent people for their stuff. That comes up in Pittsburgh when others attempt the same on him and Ellie. He's just a violent son of a bitch. Joel's actions at the hospital seeming natural and even sympathetic was reinforced for me by that section being a culmination of the gameplay mechanics that I'd been learning all game. Killing the surgeon was just another gratifying melee animation.
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Jul 16, 2021 05:36
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Arist posted:This doesn't matter. It just doesn't. The details of "how would the Fireflies make and distribute the cure" legitimately aren't important to the story, not just because they never get that far but also because it's beyond the scope of the story being told. Again, it's a fairly straightforward moral dilemma, and it's infuriating that people go so far to try to invalidate it because they don't know how to interpret media in a reasonable way. Plus, I think Abby's flashbacks reinforce that the Fireflies did have a decent shot at a vaccine and at least the doctors were reasonable people.
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Jul 19, 2021 14:51
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:The entire narrative momentum behind 2LOU's story is that there are shades of grey in all of the choices that everyone makes. I say all this while still liking Joel and feeling a lot of sympathy for him. He's a tragic character. snoremac fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Jul 19, 2021 15:14
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I guess I agree with that veni. You can sympathize with Joel's decision while finding it morally wrong in the abstract, which is where I've always been at. I've always seen the Fireflies' treatment of him as contrived, making them unpleasant in that moment in a way that's not meant to be representative of them but to spur Joel into action in a believable way. But taking them at face value here makes sense to me now if it can be done without diminishing the gravity of Joel's decision, which from his perspective (he understands he's potentially destroying a vaccine) I suppose it isn't diminished. There's definitely no getting around the fact that they don't wait for Ellie's consent to sacrifice herself. It would've been easy for the writers to add a catch that exonerated the Fireflies here like they must operate within the hour or the virus will mutate a delta variant within Ellie or whatever.
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Jul 20, 2021 06:48
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I wonder how long it would take for Jackson to clear the zombies in their area since it's not like their population can ever go on an upward trend once they run out of cities and towns to shore up their numbers.
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