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CelestialScribe: Jan 16, 2008

freebooter posted:

I'll take an unstable free country over a stable techno-totalitarian dictatorship any day

100%. gently caress China.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 11:46

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The Peccadillo: Mar 4, 2013; We Have Important Work To Do

Pikehead posted:

Is that "Within 2 years" or "North Korea will tear itself apart at any moment and cease to exist any time now"?

As countries go, China seems pretty stable to me. Lots of problems, but due to the police/government control over the media and society there doesn't seem to me to be much of a change of breaking up or actual armed fighting.

Not counting Hong Kong there, because that's a somewhat different scenario.

I'm gonna throw in a hail marry bet that the Chinese government is probably not gonna be fooled for ejecting two Aua journalists

# ? Sep 8, 2020 11:46

bell jar: Feb 25, 2009

China is the future

# ? Sep 8, 2020 11:52

Zetsubou-san: Jan 28, 2015; Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand]🧍 I require only that you [kneel]🧎

GoldStandardConure posted:

[relaxes in west australian]

[hi-fives in northern territorian]

# ? Sep 8, 2020 11:54

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

is anyone truly free?

# ? Sep 8, 2020 11:55

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY: Feb 3, 2006

Probably not the sick prisoners fighting the fires in California.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 11:57

Pikehead: Dec 3, 2006; Looking for WMDs, PM if you have A+ grade stuff; Fun Shoe

Zetsubou-san posted:

[hi-fives in northern territorian]

[Salutes in Free People's Rebuplik of Queensland]

# ? Sep 8, 2020 12:00

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

freebooter posted:

I'll take an unstable free country over a stable techno-totalitarian dictatorship any day

lol sorry champ you just don�t have what it takes to make it in the 5-eyes club

# ? Sep 8, 2020 12:01

Zetsubou-san: Jan 28, 2015; Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand]🧍 I require only that you [kneel]🧎

Cartoon posted:

More saliently I want to know who is responsible for the poo poo fest in the thread today and what do we plan to do about it/them.

dandrews is the sole to person to blame and should be replaced at once by ???? and the threshold for bad posts should be raised to 20 per day, then and only then can my existence return to normal so I can once more inflict myself on people face to face, as god intended.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 12:10

Pikehead: Dec 3, 2006; Looking for WMDs, PM if you have A+ grade stuff; Fun Shoe

Zetsubou-san posted:

dandrews is the sole to person to blame and should be replaced at once by ???? and the threshold for bad posts should be raised to 20 per day, then and only then can my existence return to normal so I can once more inflict myself on people face to face, as god intended.

I do want to keep posting, but I'm not sure I can manage 20 bad posts a day.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 12:16

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Pikehead posted:

I do want to keep posting, but I'm not sure I can manage 20 bad posts a day.

Just slap a Howard avatar on and leech off the others.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 12:29

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

It's ok. I will do the posts.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 12:37

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...se-imprisonment

quote:

The New South Wales police spent $24m of taxpayer money on almost 300 civil legal claims brought against officers during the last financial year.
The figure, obtained by the NSW Greens, includes settlements for serious misconduct claims including battery, false imprisonment and malicious prosecution.

...

An internal investigation into the LECC showed Saidi had raised concerns that NSW police treated the millions of dollars paid in damages each year as �the cost of doing business� and believed officers subject to complaints were often not exposed to internal consequences.
Among his concerns, Saidi wrote, was his belief that officers subject to legal complaints were �given no feedback as to the illegality of any action on their part� and that unit commanders were often not informed about findings made against police.
�Up till now, commanders who have had police officers under their command have not been advised of the fact that damages or compensation monies have been paid as a result of the misconduct or unlawful actions of police officers under their command,� Saidi wrote in documents published as part of the investigation.
Shoebridge said the figures released by NSW police did not explain how police dealt with officers whose conduct was the subject of a civil settlement.
�The outcomes of these cases are usually suppressed, meaning it�s impossible to know whether the police whose misconduct has resulted in large payments to victims have faced any sanction at all,� he said.
�It�s very likely that most or all the officers whose actions have led to the police being sued are still working in the police with no sanction and often having been promoted.�

# ? Sep 8, 2020 12:42

bell jar: Feb 25, 2009

Knobb Manwich posted:

Just slap a Howard avatar on and leech off the others.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 12:50

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Pikehead posted:

[Salutes in Free People's Rebuplik of Queensland]

~~[Does the people's dance of South Australia]~~ (no wait)

[Gives the Terminator thumbs up while descending into a barrel of acid]

# ? Sep 8, 2020 12:52

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

# ? Sep 8, 2020 12:53

Pikehead: Dec 3, 2006; Looking for WMDs, PM if you have A+ grade stuff; Fun Shoe

Knobb Manwich posted:

Just slap a Howard avatar on and leech off the others.

Can't have two Howards in the same conversation - how would you tell us apart?

I'm thinking of a shining example of competence, wit and stability - someone like, I dunno, what-his-name, Latham wasn't it? Vague recollection, but I think he was/is a stellar example of humanity.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 13:00

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008; Can't post for 22 hours!

I'm gay.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 13:01

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

I'm gay.

hi gay i'm dad

# ? Sep 8, 2020 13:11

Electric Wrigglies: Feb 6, 2015

bandaid.friend posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...se-imprisonment

It is pretty normal to fight (or hopefully your union) for your rights as a worker in that;
~ The employer shall be responsible for all costs associated with the job (including legal)
~ The employee shall not be disadvantaged by incurring those costs in the line of their work which includes making it known to colleagues or supervisors that these costs were incurred.

If an employers policy or procedure was not followed, employees will expect to go through the employers disciplinary process and not be scapegoated or lumped with their employers legal issues.

The reality is is that people take legal action against the police force as a whole (because the police force has the money to pay out compensation) and from there it is a Police force problem, not a individual private citizen problem.

The other way of looking at it is if a copper was reported for assault (a personal crime) then he would follow the normal legal process of being arrested, tried and sentenced.

Saying that. Australia is trending towards holding company employees responsible for company outcomes more and more such as for not maintaining a safe place of work resulting in an injury, etc. Will be interesting if this translates to government organisations anytime soon.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 13:15

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Electric Wrigglies posted:

It is pretty normal to fight (or hopefully your union) for your rights as a worker in that;
~ The employer shall be responsible for all costs associated with the job (including legal)
~ The employee shall not be disadvantaged by incurring those costs in the line of their work which includes making it known to colleagues or supervisors that these costs were incurred.

If an employers policy or procedure was not followed, employees will expect to go through the employers disciplinary process and not be scapegoated or lumped with their employers legal issues.

The reality is is that people take legal action against the police force as a whole (because the police force has the money to pay out compensation) and from there it is a Police force problem, not a individual private citizen problem.

The other way of looking at it is if a copper was reported for assault (a personal crime) then he would follow the normal legal process of being arrested, tried and sentenced.

Saying that. Australia is trending towards holding company employees responsible for company outcomes more and more such as for not maintaining a safe place of work resulting in an injury, etc. Will be interesting if this translates to government organisations anytime soon.

you�re missing the point

# ? Sep 8, 2020 13:55

UrbanLabyrinth: Jan 28, 2009; When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence; College Slice

Police are “public employees,” they work for the state. But their relationship to the state is not adversarial in the way that the working class has an inherently adversarial relationship with the capitalist class. The state being a tool of the ruling class, the police are an extension of the ruling class—the relationship between police and the state, when it becomes contentious, is closer to an intra-class dispute (like between industries) than an inter-class dispute (like between workers and bosses).

Police costing governments money isn't like a McDonald's employee dropping a burger, it's like one half of a business partnership doing a bad deal and costing another partner money.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 14:04

Comstar: Apr 20, 2007; Are you happy now?

Pikehead posted:

As countries go, China seems pretty stable to me. Lots of problems, but due to the police/government control over the media and society there doesn't seem to me to be much of a change of breaking up or actual armed fighting.

It seems increasing strong...but brittle. A government that wasn't worried wouldn't care about 2 Foreign journalists.

'Course the last large authoritarian government that wanted resources in South East Asia decided that backing down cost more than going to war ended up in a bad place before anything happened internally to worry it.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 14:11

Electric Wrigglies: Feb 6, 2015

bowmore posted:

you�re missing the point

I don't think I am. The point of the article seemed to be taking the view that it is bad and unintended that a police officer that was involved in a false imprisonment or whatever didn't seem to face sanction for their actions.

I'm pointing out that that of course the officer does not face sanction because the system is specifically and deliberately designed that way and this is especially so for government employees. Workers don't want to be held accountable for crimes that a company is responsible for - even if it was at least partially through their own direct action.

Comstar posted:

It seems increasing strong...but brittle. A government that wasn't worried wouldn't care about 2 Foreign journalists.

'Course the last large authoritarian government that wanted resources in South East Asia decided that backing down cost more than going to war ended up in a bad place before anything happened internally to worry it.

I think it is less brittle and more that China is becoming more thorough in its assertiveness. I live overseas in multiple locations and papers of all countries report the same sort of interactions with China. They don't care weather it is an Australian journalist, a Nobel Peace Prize from a Swedish NGO to the wrong person or a Senegalese local Prefect passing comment, they will put resources into ensuring bad behavior is punished in a controlled but demonstrative manner.

I think it is a bit of a long bow to draw the analogy between 1930's Japan and 2020's China but I certainly agree developments are not for the better.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 16:03

Zetsubou-san: Jan 28, 2015; Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand]🧍 I require only that you [kneel]🧎

this page brought to you by NSW Police Pty. Ltd.

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Xerxes17: Feb 17, 2011

Wait 10 years then.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 17:05

trunkh: Jan 31, 2011

Zetsubou-san posted:

this page brought to you by NSW Police Pty. Ltd.

Huh, I didn't realise the NSW police had CCP backing. Makes sense I suppose :shrug:

# ? Sep 8, 2020 21:08

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Ghost Leviathan posted:

~~[Does the people's dance of South Australia]~~ (no wait)

[Gives the Terminator thumbs up while descending into a barrel of acid]

# ? Sep 8, 2020 22:55

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

quote:

officers subject to legal complaints were “given no feedback as to the illegality of any action on their part”

This is the bit that seems wrong to me, sounds like they do something horribly wrong but don't even get "yeah, you really hosed up" as "feedback"

# ? Sep 8, 2020 23:06

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

starkebn posted:

This is the bit that seems wrong to me, sounds like they do something horribly wrong but don't even get "yeah, you really hosed up" as "feedback"

That's because they didn't actually do anything wrong, every complaint about the police is just a time wasting lefty who wasn't kicked hard enough the first time around

# ? Sep 8, 2020 23:21

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

It's pissing me off that the federal government are walking right up to the line of suggesting that Victoria should open up but not actually saying it outright. If you're going to be cunts at least be straightforward about it.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 23:24

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY: Feb 3, 2006

freebooter posted:

It's pissing me off that the federal government are walking right up to the line of suggesting that Victoria should open up but not actually saying it outright. If you're going to be cunts at least be straightforward about it.

Having an opinion is bad for polling, better to dog whistle and have deniability.

It's literally what got them elected.

# ? Sep 8, 2020 23:54

Pikehead: Dec 3, 2006; Looking for WMDs, PM if you have A+ grade stuff; Fun Shoe

freebooter posted:

It's pissing me off that the federal government are walking right up to the line of suggesting that Victoria should open up but not actually saying it outright. If you're going to be cunts at least be straightforward about it.

If the federal government tells Victoria to open up and then Victoria opens up and everyone gets infected with COVID, people will criticise the federal government.

Best just have Peter Dutton tell everyone that the Victorian government sucks for not letting people be free.

# ? Sep 9, 2020 00:13

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Peter Dutton advocating for less people to be locked up is truly 2020's most bizarre turn.

# ? Sep 9, 2020 00:29

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Electric Wrigglies posted:

The other way of looking at it is if a copper was reported for assault (a personal crime) then he would follow the normal legal process of being arrested, tried and sentenced.

This is definitely the funniest part of your post

# ? Sep 9, 2020 00:58

screaden: Apr 8, 2009

Love it when companies accidentally reveal they pay like poo poo

Also I know people who have worked at these places and it suuuuuucks. Just awful, awful work and you will smell like dead animal forever more. The stink doesn't wash off.

Not to mention meat places seem to be very susceptible to outbreaks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/teys-australia-says-jobseeker-driving-record-high-vacancy-rate/12640036

# ? Sep 9, 2020 01:18

Buttcoin purse: Apr 24, 2014

Pikehead posted:

Can't have two Howards in the same conversation - how would you tell us apart?

I'm thinking of a shining example of competence, wit and stability - someone like, I dunno, what-his-name, Latham wasn't it? Vague recollection, but I think he was/is a stellar example of humanity.

From my potential auspol avatar material folder:

screaden posted:

Love it when companies accidentally reveal they pay like poo poo

Also I know people who have worked at these places and it suuuuuucks. Just awful, awful work and you will smell like dead animal forever more. The stink doesn't wash off.

Not to mention meat places seem to be very susceptible to outbreaks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/teys-australia-says-jobseeker-driving-record-high-vacancy-rate/12640036

Would being a vegetarian mean you can't be forced to work in meat processing? Because I could become a vegetarian.

# ? Sep 9, 2020 02:03

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

If I was to pick up a kid and slam his face into the pavement, at work, I'd be instructed to not do that again

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bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

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TammyHEH: Dec 11, 2013; Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

Wheres this lmao

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