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A whole lot of people are on twitter right now saying they want nothing to do with Biden or Trump. It's a drat shame that Bernie is a loving coward who won't do what's right and run 3rd party.
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is pepsi ok posted:A whole lot of people are on twitter right now saying they want nothing to do with Biden or Trump. vote howie
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May 22, 2020 23:58
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Uh.... How do you figure that, what with him nominating Garland, who was a widely accepted bipartisan centrist, and then McConnell & Co just laughed in his face? I mean, yeah, there’s a lot to criticize his administration for, but the Dems didn’t even have a majority.
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May 22, 2020 23:58
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is pepsi ok posted:A whole lot of people are on twitter right now saying they want nothing to do with Biden or Trump. this is more-or-less exactly what the political elite want, to be left alone to play their life-destroying games in peace
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May 22, 2020 23:58
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Uh.... He made a nomination, bitched loudly about it being blocked, and tried to take the case to the people. It remained an issue through the election. The voters did not care. If you are trying to argue that he somehow could have gotten McConnell to schedule a vote through trying harder or through the power of unicorns and wishful thinking, then all I can do is assert that no, he could not. Obama literally lacked the power to force a confirmation vote.
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May 22, 2020 23:59
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Umm, no? So you believe she was sexually assaulted but do not believe anything should be done about it and her abuser should face no consequences because her motives exposing him might be unpure? So you don't really care that she was sexually assaulted then? Or don't care enough to think it should be acted on? Let me tell you as a survivor myself, this way of thinking doesn't help anyone but the abusers and incredibly morally corrupt people that want to see past their crimes to get to 'the real truth'. It actually just hurts the victims and that's why it's no different than just going "Well she's a lying whore." ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 00:02 on May 23, 2020 |
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May 23, 2020 00:00
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generic one posted:How do you figure that, what with him nominating Garland, who was a widely accepted bipartisan centrist, and then McConnell & Co just laughed in his face? Maybe it was time to use his unprecedented surveillance powers to make, saaay... Lindsay Graham decide it’s time to stand up for bipartisanship.
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May 23, 2020 00:00
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Rigel posted:He made a nomination, bitched loudly about it being blocked, and tried to take the case to the people. It remained an issue through the election. The voters did not care. it wasn't an election issue because they were running on "Hillary's win is guaranteed"
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May 23, 2020 00:01
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The best case scenario for the Democrats is Biden wins and Trump is gone meaning there is literally no national Trump emergency a day after the inauguration. They will get their neo con dreams enacted but I would hate to be campaigning on austerity while the super rich keep their tax cuts with President Biden telling everyone he doesn't want us to vote for his party too hard and remove his friends across the aisle from office.
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May 23, 2020 00:02
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:So you believe she was sexually assaulted but do not believe anything should be done about it and her abuser should face no consequences because her motives exposing him might be unpure? She may have been raped, sexually assaulted or sexually harassed. It'd also imagine the way she was pushed out of her job may be been illegal if not breaking internal policy. As far as doing anything about it, those people should be arrested, charge and if found guilty end up in jail.
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May 23, 2020 00:03
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Umm, no? I don't think you understood what I was saying with the schrodinger's cat reference. I was speculating that maybe he was trying to make the argument that if one were to believe there's a chance she was lying and a chance she was telling the truth and wasn't 100% sure which, then that makes it not binary. (wrong, its still binary)
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May 23, 2020 00:04
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Radish posted:The best case scenario for the Democrats is Biden wins and Trump is gone meaning there is literally no national Trump emergency a day after the inauguration. They will get their neo con dreams enacted but I would hate to be campaigning on austerity while the super rich keep their tax cuts with President Biden telling everyone he doesn't want us to vote for his party too hard and remove his friends across the aisle from office. Biden will probably be ejected in favor of whoever the VP is
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May 23, 2020 00:05
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Rigel posted:He made a nomination, bitched loudly about it being blocked, and tried to take the case to the people. It remained an issue through the election. The voters did not care.
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May 23, 2020 00:05
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Mellow Seas posted:Maybe it was time to use his unprecedented surveillance powers to make, saaay... Lindsay Graham decide it’s time to stand up for bipartisanship. Coulda probably gotten McCain if he got Graham to go along. Two down, two more to go! Collins? Murkowssssbbbfffhahhaha... oh, lord, nah, who are we kidding?
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May 23, 2020 00:05
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SAG's entire gimmick is never making a definitive statement on anything for fear if it being used against them in the future. Not sure why anyone thinks that's changed.
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May 23, 2020 00:06
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:This is non-2020-election chat so I'm cutting the conversation short, here. You want to take this up you can start a discussion in USPOL and I will join it. It suffices to say here that there are things he could have done, which he did not do. Translation: this topic is not going well for me, better stop it now! Seriously though, yeah, probably better suited for a different thread if we’re gonna play by the rules.
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May 23, 2020 00:08
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Scientist Al Gore posted:She may have been raped, sexually assaulted or sexually harassed. It'd also imagine the way she was pushed out of her job may be been illegal if not breaking internal policy. As far as doing anything about it, those people should be arrested, charge and if found guilty end up in jail. Okay so that first second has literally nothing to do with the second sentence except to give you an out to act suspicious of her for coming out about the sexual assault. To bring it up at all is to bring it up in the context of de-legitimizing her and her claims, which happens literally every single time a victim has the strength to come forward. You're doing what every single piece of poo poo does when these things come out. That's a huge part of what perpetuates rape culture. There is no moral grey zone here, you're just trying to find some disconnected evidence to help you ignore her assault. So no Mr. Moralist it is pretty much black and white wrt her sexual assault. You believe her or you don't. You wanna talk about her probably fake, heretofore unreported and completely unconnected crimes that's a whole separate discussion.
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May 23, 2020 00:09
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generic one posted:Translation: this topic is not going well for me, better stop it now!
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May 23, 2020 00:10
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Okay so that first second has literally nothing to do with the second sentence except to give you an out to act suspicious of her for coming out about the sexual assault. To bring it up at all is to bring it up in the context of de-legitimizing her and her claims, which happens literally every single time a victim has the strength to come forward. You're doing what every single piece of poo poo does when these things come out. That's a huge part of what perpetuates rape culture. There is no moral grey zone here, you're just trying to find some disconnected evidence to help you ignore her assault. I don't know what to say other than I don't know what to believe. 
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May 23, 2020 00:16
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:No, it's because I already got probated two days ago for answering a question in this thread about the election, but my answer did not refer back to the election. That's why. Fair enough, posted here in USPOL.
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May 23, 2020 00:18
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Scientist Al Gore posted:I don't know what to say other than I don't know what to believe. Yeah I know that's what I'm saying makes you a piece of poo poo and no better than the people directly calling her a liar, lol. No seriously, fence sitting bullshit like this is why rape culture is even a thing largely and it's just a reaction that protects and even rewards abusers. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 00:22 on May 23, 2020 |
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May 23, 2020 00:19
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Scientist Al Gore posted:I don't know what to say other than I don't know what to believe. I mean you could take a very simple utilitarian moralism to it and decide what happens if you believe and what happens if you don't. Either this woman gets her life loving ruined for the crime of being a victim or the rich and powerful husk gets to... accumulate more power, I guess? Do the least harm and believe her ffs. It's what the entire #MeToo has been about. You wont though, because you're just a trolling wafflemaster.
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May 23, 2020 00:28
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Scientist Al Gore posted:I don't know what to say other than I don't know what to believe. you not knowing what to believe doesn't mean it isn't black and white that he assaulted her or not.
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May 23, 2020 00:31
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Scientist Al Gore posted:Trying to turn this into a binary black and white did she or didn't she is ridiculous. The world is so much more complex than that. Holy loving poo poo, this is amazing. Voting, a choice with dozens of possibilities, is somehow binary. But reality itself is now subjective. The amount of delusion required to invent Schrodinger's Rape exists only in partisan politics. Congratulations, Biden followers are identical to chuds. Scratch that, at least red chuds will admit that Trump grabs women by the pussy. Blue chuds will warp the concept of truth itself. Alternative facts indeed.
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May 23, 2020 00:37
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Mellow Seas posted:Maybe it was time to use his unprecedented surveillance powers to make, saaay... Lindsay Graham decide it’s time to stand up for bipartisanship. As a gay man, this is the only funny "Lindsay Graham in the closet" joke I have ever heard lol
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May 23, 2020 00:39
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Scientist Al Gore posted:As for Flint, that makes no sense. It'll be decades or more to correct the Flint drinking water problem and anyone that understands the relatively simple science behind it. If Obama truly did this holy gently caress that's an enormous mistake. he did: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cvlcI2TmfdI
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May 23, 2020 00:40
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there's a joke somewhere about Biden raping Reade having a truth table and SAG has clearly filled his out with "don't cares"
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May 23, 2020 00:44
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Lol at calling Flint a "mistake". It's a poor town they hosed over for profits because nobody could stop them. Obama doesn't care about anything but his own personal wealth and reputation and nobody outside of Michael Moore is going to hold him to account for it. He's scum.
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May 23, 2020 01:00
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To wrap this week up, we've had a spirited defense of concentration camps, the total dismissal of sexual assault survivors, the rationalisation of morality itself being an outdated thought pattern and now the liberals have decided to go full on assault against the black electorate, having already outright said that Hispanics don't figure into their vision in any way. The absolute, singular celerity of this train-wreck is spectacular. There's no-one left to alienate. Cpt_Obvious posted:Don't sell them short. They're gonna keep pushing the "yellow menace" narrative as soon as they get the OK from Trump. They always follow his lead. drat, captain, you're right. I missed that one but you're also wrong: They've already run down that path. Active Quasar fucked around with this message at 01:09 on May 23, 2020 |
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May 23, 2020 01:06
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Disnesquick posted:The absolute, singular celerity of this train-wreck is spectacular. There's no-one left to alienate. Don't sell them short. They're gonna keep pushing the "yellow menace" narrative as soon as they get the OK from Trump. They always follow his lead.
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May 23, 2020 01:08
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Disnesquick posted:To wrap this week up, we've had a spirited defense of concentration camps, the total dismissal of sexual assault survivors, the rationalisation of morality itself being an outdated thought pattern and now the liberals have decided to go full on assault against the black electorate, having already outright said that Hispanics don't figure into their vision in any way. Yeah there is. He's going to find some way to insult never-trump republicans, then he'll truly be hosed.
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May 23, 2020 01:08
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ColonelMuttonchops posted:Yeah there is. He's going to find some way to insult never-trump republicans, then he'll truly be hosed. drat How's he gonna do it without those 12 votes.
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May 23, 2020 01:12
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ColonelMuttonchops posted:Yeah there is. He's going to find some way to insult never-trump republicans, then he'll truly be hosed. I was racking my brain trying to figure out what realistically could do it without Biden acting wildly out of character and I just realized he'd just need to fall back to his reflex with any Republican and keep thanking Trump for the great job he's doing.
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May 23, 2020 01:17
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Gonzo McFee posted:drat How's he gonna do it without those 12 votes. It's not about the votes, how's he gonna do it without any of his senior staff?
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Cpt_Obvious posted:FFS can we go one page without someone smearing a survivor or defending concentration camps?
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May 23, 2020 01:26
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Scientist Al Gore posted:As for Flint, that makes no sense. It'll be decades or more to correct the Flint drinking water problem and anyone that understands the relatively simple science behind it. If Obama truly did this holy gently caress that's an enormous mistake. Shot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhbNlvjClOU Chaser: https://www.michiganradio.org/post/does-flint-have-clean-water-yes-it-s-complicated Honestly how did you not know about this. You're defending Obama without even knowing fully what he has done. Also imagine a candidate for President actually caring about the abysmal quality of water and inconsistent access to it in this country. https://www.vox.com/identities/2020/4/17/21223565/coronavirus-clean-water-crisis-america Too bad Biden is the best we can do!
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May 23, 2020 01:28
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Mat Cauthon posted:Also imagine a candidate for President actually caring about the abysmal quality of water and inconsistent access to it in this country. Seems if the people of Flint held a condemnatory view of the Obama administration, Genessee County wouldn't have voted for Biden by a 60-30 margin.
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May 23, 2020 01:32
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May 23, 2020 01:34
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Pretty cool Biden and the democratic party have killed #metoo and idpol.
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Araenna posted:It's always "if that's true", even when it's something we've given citations for multiple times. It'll always be 'if it's true' until the rapist in question looks people like SAG dead in the eye in person and says they did it. It's all about finding a way to ignore the horrifying nature of the depressingly large number of abusers in society.
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