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Big Taint posted:my boat for some hooning (Santa Cruz 50) My dream boat  Also J/105 fleet 1. Supposedly St Francis is still on track to do RBBS in September(?) we'll see what happens there my guess is no
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Popete posted:The key to enjoy racing is to crew on someone else's boat. Ain't this the loving truth Crewed for 7? 8? 9? years? I always wondered why the skipper had 100 tiny annoying broken things on the boat, each one only took maybe 5-10 minutes to fix if you had the parts, never did understand why Turns out ordering the correct parts, plus having time to work on the boat, not to mention money to buy said parts, is a rare commodity Plus you have to fuel it, dock it, get the sails repaired etc etc it's exhausting As crew you just show up with a life jacket, hopefully a marlin spike and some beer, go sailing, wreck their boat, drink, go home
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YRA of SF Bay just announced Contra Costa (Richmond Yacht Club) and Solano Counties (Vallejo YC) are allowed to hold regattas again, I don't know what that means exactly, Great Vallejo Race was already rescheduled for October but I think Richmond does quite a bit of club racing
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MomJeans420 posted:Do any of you crew on the big boats that race? I met some people in Newport, RI that do the whole "different races around the globe thing," but the owner was saying the crew during races were paid ~$3k/day, plus you have to put them up and feed them. It seemed like a pretty small community where everyone knew each other, and it sounded like a shitload of fun, especially if you were on the younger side. For big boats I'm assuming you mean > 50'. In my area we have a "big boats series" which I think has a formal lower cutoff at 32 feet but recently they're allowing the J/70s (22ft keel boat) in to keep the event from being a ghost town. 3k per day is pretty high, I think it is typically in the 50-150/day range. I think if you were Volvo Ocean Race crew off season and doing Rolex Middle Sea or Sydney Hobart on Rambler 88 or Wild Oats XI or whatever 300/day is very likely Sailboats are sailboats, they use a keel to keep upright, you need to be comfortable walking when the boat is heeled over at 30 degrees for a week. True super yachts (150'+) are so big and beamy they're basically large mansions that float around to all the nice areas and yeah you're basically house cleaning crew, plus a cook, captain and maybe full time engineer. Crunchy Black posted:The biggest program I've ever been involved with in any sort of regular fashion is a Tiger10 or a 1D35. Anything bigger than that and you might as well be doing a TransPAC or TransAT ha. The first boat I crewed on in the west coast was a 1D35, he'd already done transpac on the boat twice, we had another 1D35 currently refurbished and is in the local area, I think he's intending to do pac cup or transpac on it... 35' isn't unreasonable at least five or six 30-40' class J boats do Transpac/Pac Cup each year.... actually a J/125 (41') won transpac overall and even had their own 5 boat J/125 class
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I'm here in northern california, we never formally joined fleet 1 but we're in a bunch of regattas. It's a bad idea to keep track of anything where you can start calculating how much money you spend per hour on the boat, but we probably do 20 weekends a year on the boat, more than half of that is racing. Most of them are the YRA party regattas with some sort of raft up. We have issues dousing our spinnaker(???) which doesn't make us very competitive doing sausage courses. I am new to the area so I'm recruiting and training all my crew from scratch and it's hard to train crew from the back of the boat with a beer in your hand. Big highlights for us have been spinnaker cup in 2018 and 2019, which is a ~90 mile offshore overnight trip from San Francisco to Monterey, done Great Vallejo Race every year, and also attempted Delta Ditch Run (72 mile DDW) with an asymmetrical spinnaker. Last year we did our first non-spinnaker offshore race up to Drake's Bay where we overnight in a semi-protected bay at anchor and then sail back during peak whale season southern migration, that was fun. Spinnaker Cup also happens during peak whale northern migration it's not uncommon to see 20-30 whales. I've personally T-boned a whale surfing down a wave (on someone else's boat) and then we gently bumped off another whale another time (our boat). This year was supposed to be the big year for offshore racing, farallones full crew, farallones double handed, spinnaker cup, maybe do the entire california coastal cup (SF to San Diego) to kind of prep the whole crew for a possible TransPac 2021 entry. We're fully certified for the trip minus the life raft (rent) and emergency rudder (build). We did both A and B offshore training last year for the whole crew as a group which includes the jumping in the pool and entering the life raft etc. Pretty bummed we didn't get to do coastal cup because it's a wild downwind ride and a perfect training run for transpac, plus then the boat is in san diego ready to go poke around in mexico all summer. Crunchy Black posted:Kick. rear end. Not to turn this thread into a youtube video thread but I like to think of the J/125 as a (visually) bigger version of our boat and this'll be exactly our experience, even though the 125 is a totally different significantly lighter beast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj6yZfe7oUg edit: Big Taint posted:some hooning Definition of hooning ^^ Hadlock fucked around with this message at 09:24 on May 15, 2020 |
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So, pacific cup (SF to Hawaii) was cancelled this year for obvious reasons They're doing a virtual race online here, it's free: http://www.sailonline.org/ The specific link is here: http://www.sailonline.org/breezy/run/1371/ Probably going to regret that It's kind of nice because it's a lightweight interface, and shows exactly where on the polar chart your boatspeed is at. I'll give you a hint, there's a high pressure zone in Alaska that's going to drop south into the middle of the race course, you want to skirt south of it (and probably the rhumb line) at some point. High pressure zone = sunny, calm, no wind; low pressure = cold, windy, possibly a hurricane etc Right now they're doing a test sail so everyone gets comfortable with how it works, you can join the test sail at any time; the "formal" race starts... July 3 I think? Boats don't go fastest directly downwind, you want to have your AWA be 180, you want to maximize for most total time with AWA (apparent wind angle) between +/- 130-170 and minimize time between +/- 90-40 AWA   Here, below, you can see the high pressure zone, blue, SLOW, moving down south into the middle of the race course, red is along the rhumb line, and orange shows where it'd be faster, but you'd add hundreds of extra miles to a 2200 mile race  Here, below, 7 days later you can see the blue SLOW zone has moved south across the shortest route (rhumb line), so you'll want to move away from there, slightly, so you maintain good speed and don't get stuck for days with no wind. The fastest route has moved further south, and the best route sits somewhere south of the rhumb line. There's actually fancy software called route planning software that takes these long term weather forecasts into account, plus your boat's custom polar charts etc, but if you don't have $1000 to spare you'll probably just have to eyeball it and hope for the best  This all happens in real time using real weather data, which is pretty neat. Since it's happening in real time you need to check back and see what the weather actually did in your area, vs the predicted outcome, and then modify your course accordingly. You can queue up one future maneuver X time in advance, I'll be crossing under the rhumb line to catch what's left of this 20 kts puff and then hold ~70 miles south of the rhumb line until I cross under the high pressure zone that's developing to the north of the course
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Online pac cup kicks off here in about 30 min if anybody is interested, link above. Last time I'll mention this unless someone else chimes in
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Ok I lied. With ~260 active participants I'm currently ranking #1 overall, with a ~0.25nm lead over the next two participants. 1.03nm separates the top 10 places About a hour after the race started, a counter-clockwise wind system looped through the north end of the course which did a good job of separating the fleet. About six of us all tacked at the last moment, within 10 seconds of eachother and then followed the wind line until we were pointing at the finish line and it's been a drag race ever since. #2 and #3 have attempted to make weak challenges to my position, but they lose speed climbing above my line and then have to make back the distance to finish. Weather looks relatively stable with no events that would allow a competitor to challenge my position without them losing further ground; and I'm on a pretty straight course pointed directly at the closest end to the finish line, about 1970 miles away. Currently holding #1 for about 4 hours, will have to see what things look like in the morning. Right now everybody is holding steady speed and nobody is moving positions on the leaderboard, and we're on the edge of the synopitc wind now so wind shifts should be easier to see hours out. Hadlock fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Jul 3, 2020 |
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Hdip posted:The only wind sports I've ever done are a season of kite surfing and a couple sessions of foil winging. But I'm really enjoying your race. Keep the updates coming. I guess at this point this is sort of a Let's Play huh Boring stuff probably skip this  Ok so this is a polar chart. Boats can go downwind, and due to physics they can also go upwind. Boats can go directly downwind, but they cannot go directly upwind, they have to be at an angle. Depending on the boat (sticking to displacement boat here), sail plan, hull shape, weight etc different boats go faster or slower at different points of sail. A polar chart is a standardized way to show this. Basically, that rainbow, represent boat speed at different wind speeds. Assuming the wind is coming out of the north, starting at the top theres basically no speed as long as your wind angle is less than 20 degrees. Boat speed along the medium blue line and dark blue line is mostly the same from 40 degrees, clocking around to 170 degrees (outside on top and right). Doesn't really matter a whole lot which direction you go, you'll always go the same speed. What's interesting about this graph is the yellow, orange, red lines, from about 110 degrees to 170 degrees. What this tells us is that the boat is disproportonately designed to go downwind, slightly off the wind (not "dead down wind" or DDW). On the west coast we call these "sleds" especially if they're light and the wind when strong enough will pick the boat out of the water and it planes line a motor boat TL;DR sailboats go faster downwind, but not directly with the wind, slightly off  Ok anyways, Here's the current situation. I am currently in first (red 1), there's a low pressure zone (orange/orangey-greenish) developing behind the fleet and moving below the rhumb line (red line, shortest route on a sphere between two points*). There's a (dark blue/medium blue) high pressure zone (red 2) that is moving south over the rhumb line and and is bending the wind around it. Eventually the wind is going to move so that my TWA or true wind angle is in a bad position, and I'm actually pointing away from the finish line. Eventually we're going to "round up" into the high pressure zone, wind speed will drop and we'll stop pointing at the finish line, at which point (red 3) everyone will change direction or "gybe" down, probably sort of near where the red 4 is click to embiggen  And then here's a close up of the top 5 people give or take, I am the pink boat shaped object, the weird red and green pie chart things are representations of the other boats at night; that's what sailboat navigation lights look like at night, I dunno, it's their artistic license. Looks way better during the day but whatever. Anyways there's a white semicircle painted on there, that's my own addition, to show (exaggerated) what a ~1770 mile radius circle might look like, and how DTF or distance to finish is calculated. I also threw a scale in there to help explain the... scale. The green lines are me just trying to measure other boat's COG or course over ground to understand why they are going faster/slower than me. click to embiggen  Basically my strategy right now is to cover whoever is moving in on my lead the fastest. As of moments ago a guy named jkwheeler just moved to the most efficient sail angle so I had to make an adjustment from ~129.5 TWA to ~125 TWA (true wind angle) to keep him from overtaking me in about 3 hours as it adds about 0.08nm/hr to his speed We'll see what happens overnight. This all depends on real time weather data so there could be a shift and I miss it while sleeping and lose my lead at any time. Someone I talked to recently mentioned "poopsocking" which is a term I hadn't heard in a couple years. Oh yeah and I am periodically tracking people's movements with a spreadsheet to track historical performance etc to keep on top of everyone. *Actually I haven't read the documentation to see if this is a rhumb line or a great circle line, but for now assume they're the same Hadlock fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Jul 4, 2020 |
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So as I was writing that, JKwheeler made a course correction, he's now sailing at the ideal angle for max speed and also pointing better at the finish line. My lead on him dropped from about 0.25 to 0.15nm pretty quickly. Since the high pressure zone is descending on the race course, that's going to cause the wind closer to me to slow down, and cause my competitors below me/closer to the red rhumb line to be faster than me, effectively making me slower than everyone else. So I made a course correction from 255 to 258 to push me down towards the faster wind, and also more directly at the finish, at a small cost of ideal speed. Looks like around UTC 14:00-16:00 we'll finally have a major wind shift and gybe about then. That's about 8-10am pacific, and we'll see if I can be up and hang on to my lead at that point, or if I become the follower.
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I'm seeing about 8.6kts boat speed right now but we're about 50nm above the line which feels like a lotmeltie posted:Cool stuff! The strategy side gets very spreadsheety very quickly... Yeah there is a $1000 package of software called "expedition" that a lot of people use, streamlines this whole process update: The high pressure system, which both slows my wind (bad) and curves the wind in the direction I need it to (goodish) has moved down towards the line, and in front of me, which means we won't get the wind shift we needed, in time. Hopefully, if the new weather holds, we'll get an ok wind shift here in about 2 hours, and then when the weather model updates, it moves closer to us to give us the angle we need. Right now it's looking like the top 10 group is about to take a bath and have to pull way off our optimal point of angle to get out of there, before the low pressure system descends and all the good wind is below it. So not only did I effectively add 50 miles of distance to my 2200 mile race, but I'll have to add another 50 miles to stay in the fast wind to the south, and probably eat a 2 knot (out of ~9 knot) speed penalty to do it Oaxaca, which is partly owned by the regatta commodore, who I KNOW is using expedition software for this (he has a perpetual license and knows the guy who wrote/writes it) has been below the line for a while but recently moved above it early this morning, which is interesting At this point I don't know what everyone is waiting for, but most of the fleet seems to be moving up and to the right, so I'm prioritizing that without losing too much of my lead 
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The high pressure zone continues to float just above us. We're stuck on the wrong side of the low pressure ridge, will probably have to slog through 9kts of wind for a couple of days and then pray we can cash out all this altitude nearer the finish for gains/payout. The #3 guy, sannico, just shot off to the moon, he might have oxygen deprivation, I can't see what he's going for up there, but there is some wind filling in, in about 7.5 hours, which will... push him further into the slow wind, with no good way to come back down. Currently sticking with my wingman, jkwheeler as Im holding steady at about 0.49nm away from him. I'd rather stick with #1 as he doesn't change course very often so it makes him fairly reliable to test small course changes and we're both in the same wind. I got panicky and tried cashing in some of my altitude to get into faster wind, that was dumb, I cashed in about 0.55nm DTF trailing of #1 for... looks like 16.6nm of downwind range, which keeps me in the same wind, but it's going to be awfully hard to reel back in that DTF I lost against #1 TL;DR probably gonna cruise on the same course for the next 12+ hours unless something significant happens 
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Well at this point everything has gone horribly off the rails. I keep getting pushed further and further into the high pressure zone, causing me to slow down, causing me to point further into the People south of the line are just watching this train wreck in slow motion, hoping they don't get sucked in to the maelstrom, enjoying a good breeze and mostly pointing right down the rhumbline, willing to go a little slower and watch us crash and burn in slow motion. At this point I'm kind of stuck shooting for the moon, it's possible but not probable that the wind will somehow resolve itself and we'll be able to recover this but it's not looking good. 
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Weather model changed just before midnight last night, shows the Pacific High further developing + moving right in to the middle of the fleet. TL;DR wind above line: 5-8kts, wind below line: 11-17 kts I decided gently caress it, and port tacked a fleet of 250 boats and headed for winds, about 7 others followed suit. Cost me 1st to 24th place almost immediately, by morning I was in 75th place, right now I'm about 150th place. I'm only about 20nm behind first still, though. About 2/3rds of the fleet above the line are now on port tack Option B was to continue pinching into the high and both losing speed and VMG (velocity made good towards the finish line) Probably will gybe back here closer to midnight and lick my wounds
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Still headed south, to my left that colored line is binder, he's in #94, we are only about 7nm apart, and then way to my south that arcing smiling, smirking mouth is Outlaw from germany, currently in first place. South of the line appears to have paid off in spades. He is ahead of me by about 26nm, which is uh, near 1%, which is less than 10% so that's something.
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Slow motion train wreck continues Most of the fleet has moved south, at this point I'm #150, everyone who was in the top 10 a couple days ago now sits somewhere between 125 and 175  As you can see everyone is running south. The wind in this shot doesn't look too terrible, but if you zoom out a bit, and look at the fleet position now vs wind in 2.5 days:  You can see wind speeds are going to be 13-15kts below the line, while the pacific high continues to build north of the line, pushing wind speeds there below 9 knots which is at least 30% less wind, which is going to add up over the course of 5 days And then, if we zoom ahead 4 days out you can see the high pressure zone continuing to develop, strongly favoring the southern route  Hadlock posted:Here, below, 7 days later you can see the blue SLOW zone has moved south across the shortest route (rhumb line), so you'll want to move away from there, slightly, so you maintain good speed and don't get stuck for days with no wind. The fastest route has moved further south, and the best route sits somewhere south of the rhumb line. Probably should have taken my own loving advice Hadlock fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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Sadly there's no sense of volume here so you can't force people to starboard tack Ok so I was at 150, this morning I was at 122, I am now down to #111, looks like I am about 5:45 behind first place at this point You can start to see geographic features of Hawaii in the bottom left corner, the vast majority of the fleet is hanging out south of the rhumb line; I am mostly just gybing reciprocal angles as is everyone else. About 600 miles left to go, couple days before landfall yet.  edit: I'm being informed by another goon that I'm not  enough on the UI
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Slowly clawing my way back up the rankings last day here, #100 currently http://www.sailonline.org/breezy/run/1371/ Apparently you can login as guest/guest to spectate meltie posted:Bernard Moitessier, who rejected the philosophy behind a commercialised competition, abandoned the race while in a strong position to win and kept sailing non-stop until he reached Tahiti after circling the globe one and a half times We did an overnight, two day ocean race, it was pretty grim, overcast with 4-5 kts the whole way there and back. And then, just as we're going under the golden gate bridge, suddenly the skies open up, sun is shining, it's 75F and suddenly we're on a broad reach in 28kts of sustained wind, headed for the southern tip of angel island doing well over 12 kts boat speed, throwing sheets of green water to either side, pulling the bow out of the water. Really turned the whole trip around for us. Rather than gybe to head to the finish in front of st Francis 20 minutes south of us, we decided to abandon the race and enjoy 5 miles of blissful surfing. No regrets.
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Should either go here, or in SAS At the end of some regattas there's a raft up. I've only ever done one regatta where we anchored out. Regattas are mostly about prepping the vehicle, tuning various parameters to the Nth degree, maintenance, tactics, rules/rule loopholes/rule violations etc... shares more in common with auto racing than camping. The other thread is for barbequing on a pontoon boat at lake wobegon or whatever. edit: boating thread in TGO   sailboat racing thread in AI  
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Prepping boat to do Drakes Bay 1-2 at the end of August Basically you start from a yacht club (A), I think it's CYC in Tiburon, pray the tide is going out that morning, and then ride the conveyor belt of tide out and under the golden gate bridge, try and not hit any whales, round one of the channel markers and head north past bolinas bay, avoid a 20 foot rocky shoal that fishermen like to drive around on, and then finally arrive at Drakes Bay, which is one of the few natural protected anchorages on the west coast. Find some boating buddies, raft up with everyone, and make some warm stew, drink rum and play cards. Anchored out, basically in the open ocean, overnight. The next day, you start in Drakes Bay (B), and then it's (or should be) a downwind cruise under the golden gate bridge and back to CYC. I want to say each leg is 22-30 miles, so it's a nice day long sail in both directions, really nice as the crew can experiment a little bit with sail trim and really get things dialed in. Obviously the shortest path is the rhumb line, but there are a bunch of holes where it's just dead calm along the coast, so you have to know how far to go out for wind, but not go out so far you lose out to people who stayed closer to shore and took a more direct route. I guess that's 90% of the strategy for all coastal races. Last time we did this, in uh, 2019 maybe? We saw a bunch of whales, waterspouts etc, was a good time. 
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Ugh cancelled on my two most BFF* for ocean racing *Minus the guy who was my best man at my wedding, but BFFs who show up for sailing, amitrite Edit: should mention I had child #1 recently
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Crunchy Black posted:Their triangle courses are a welcome change of pace from W-Ls since I don't get to do much offshore these days W-L courses can get so hosed, I'm bored to tears with them; I think that's one reason why it's so hard to find crew anymore.
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Hadlock posted:Ugh cancelled on my two most BFF* for ocean racing Follow up, there was no wind, would have been a poo poo weekend to go Karma got me though, sea lion had diarrhea all over the port side of my boat, was so ugly the marina staff had to pressure wash it off due to complaints
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What is the competitive sailing scene like, uh, south of Norfolk VA, and uh, north of Savannah, GA Zooming way way out all I see between those two points are Charleston SC, Wilmington NC and Myrtle Beach. Myrtle Beach has no marina, and the marina scene in Charleston looks pretty dire. Wilmington looks like they have more than eight sailboats. I see a bunch of shallow water marinas but they look like they all mostly service offshore 40' sport fishing boats Steven Colbert has a house in Charleston and once did the Newport Bermuda race, is all I know What do y'all race around? Ocean buoys? At least in Galveston we had oil rigs to use as course markers
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Picking up sails from the garage for a regatta, a couple years ago, living the gratuitous DINK + no mortgage fantasy life. Turns out you can fit a main, a jib and spinnaker in your girlfriend's 2 seater if you're brave enough 
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