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Terper posted:If you can find your Wii U and are willing to read the manual. Has the funniest joke in the series, it thinks. And now I'm curious, because I'm not willing to go through the manual to hunt for this joke. That thing is fairly long. Also I'd have to hook the WiiU back up and  Anyways,  for the remake, I'll enjoy our  voice acting once more. It's hard to choose a favourite, everything is so good, from Reyn time to Dunban poetry outta nowhere or some of Shulk's absolutely unhinged lines when extending a chain.VVVVVVVVVVVV Fair enough. Lin trying to serve Tatsu was fun the first couple times though. Pity about the other seven or eight. Omobono fucked around with this message at 17:34 on May 16, 2020 |
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One thing that the first got perfectly was the battle banter. There's just so much personality coming from it and it doubles as non-visual information. E.g. when Seven goes "Ha, you missed" you know your dodge-tank is dodge-tanking. Then a future sight goes off, you break it and the future is OURS to decide  .X is an underbaked mess with what I think are great ideas with potential but, you know, the game is almost literally unfinished. Not Chair Zone Xenogears unfinished but close. Charactirization is also kinda hard with a western-style nameless protagonist. 2 is mechanically the soundest game but the gacha system utterly breaks characterization. There's no point in having too many calls and answers if there's a one-third chance at any given time that Rex has Pyra out instead of a generic.
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Inflammatory posted:i will defend xcx's soundtrack to my grave. but yeah the main plot was a whole lotta garbage. With one glaring exception,  The exception is the trigger on the Skell flight music. Not the music, just the trigger.
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U-DO Burger posted:i never bothered to try the follow ball because i didn't think they were capable of making a decent pathfinder If there was a ground route it was perfect.
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Use Shulk when fighting Mechon but bench him otherwise. I spent probably 75% of my last playthrough using Melia. On the other hand, tagging a boss with one of his DoTs as fifth attack in a chain means said boss loses half their life in a few seconds. And as he's a big Heropon, he can actually tank the resulting aggro until
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Maybe this will be the playthrough where I finally figure out chain attacks, because I’ve always found them too confusing. Same with XCX, I know there are some infinite overdrive builds but I just wasn’t able to do it. XB1 chains: _You get the first three attacks for free, then the primary way to extend the chain is high affinity between current party members. there are other modifiers I'm forgetting about but whatever. The maximum chain length is 15. _Party members cannot die during the chain (spike damage is still a thing, but it won't bring people below 1 HP). _All arts have a color. Using arts of the same color in direct succession massively increases their effect. This caps at 5 and resets if you switch color. _Talent arts (the bigger one in the middle) are a jolly. They count as all colors for the boost I just described, and they allow switching colors mid-chain without dropping the boost. _Killing an enemy mid-chain refunds half a bar. Extremely relevant against any boss with summoned adds. Omobono fucked around with this message at 18:23 on May 19, 2020 |
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multijoe posted:The only real QoL fix for the core crystal system would be to remove it altogether, or at least move the unique Blade drop rates several decimal places to the left  The gacha system (without an actual real money gacha attached so what's the loving point) is the only part of 2 that I would call horrible. I'd speculate some suit pushed for microtransactions in 2 before some other suit got an attack of sanity.
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Was Rex implied to be Adam's distant descendant of did I read too much in some lines? Not that it matters either way.
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I think mechanically XB2 is the best one, as long as you ignore the gacha (I do concede that's an hell of an asterisk though). Special shout-out to the nameless battle commentator. 1 has the best story, presentation and characterization and gently caress they needed to carry over the future vision mechanic in all other games because it was simply perfect. I was all excited when Mythra first came out because she has future vision too, but it turns into a boring 30% accuracy/evasion aura. OP as hell, but it's not the future is OURS to decideI hope we get a battle commentator in 1DE though. X has an unfinished story and the skell system needed a lot more time in the oven. Still, I did get a WiiU for it (and because it's also a Wii) and I don't regret it. E: oh right, -spike damage is a blue colour gem ability in 1. Refine two level 4(or 5, it's been far too long) gems per character for 100% spike reduction when you can. Omobono fucked around with this message at 13:22 on May 27, 2020 |
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arsegrit posted:Wait, this isn't in 1?! It's not really needed, the characters in 1 are so constantly vocal that a battle commentator would be pointless. One of the touches I love about the first game.
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Amppelix posted:are you implying the characters in 2 are not also constantly shouting their lungs out Less than in 1 though. (Until Rex reaches 0-cooldown status on his arts)
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Rex and Shulk had a talk during some downtime and Rex found a way to do a trans-time-and-dimension delivery to past Shulk? I'm guessing that must be an Amazon Prime option.  IcePhoenix posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swhDAs_qNfA&t=44s What's with Nopons and human bunny girls/meidos etc.? There's Bana's ladies, Tora (+ father) with Poppi, that giant meido mecha by Tora's nemesis. I don't remember Nopons in 1 being like this. Or in X. Then again, Nopons are deliberately acting all cutesy and dumb to be underestimated, so this is probably how it takes form in 2. (2 confirms this fact with that sidequest chain about the legendary Nopon explorer; in 1 and X it was more an heavily implied thing)
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Memnaelar posted:Also, is there a decent guide for potential missable content worth checking out online? If I'm going to put 100 hours into this sucker, I want to get everything I can on the first go-round. Take it from me, that way lies madness. Or at least, lied madness in the original. Maybe DE fixed it some. Anyways, game will tag quests that expire past a certain point in the plot. However, it will not tag quest chains that can have intermediate steps expire. So when all the quests from a zone are tagged as plot-sensitive you're going to put 2 and 2 together, but what you won't know is that a quest chan from the Nopon town will require to go into the plot-doomed zone at a certain point. And that was just off the top of my head. loving bastard smuggler. It doesn't help that some quests can straight up spoil mid and lategame reveals. Edit: there is NG+ though, so you COULD do a plot run and a 100% run afterwards. Again, that way lies madness
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What did the tags on the lifebar mean again? I seem to recall: no tags, monster is chill and won't attack on their own eye, monster will engage if they can see you (in front, not too distant) ear(?) is sound engage, so if you move when too close. Maybe the tag was a representation of a sound wave though.
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DLC Inc posted:wtf even is this That talent art is so stupid in all the good ways. I love it. And yeah, the characters simply ooze their personality. Shulk spends half the plot as this barely functional rage ball and half his battle lines are so bloodthirsty Guts would tell him to chill out. RIKI SNEAKY. Need I say more? Did they touch Sharla's gameplay? She kinda needs a redesign to bring her up to par.
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Aerox posted:Bought XC for the third time now, and THIS time is going to be the time I finish it. (Mostly thanks to COVID.) From at least midgame, I'd say whatever has most gem slots. Which is usually light IIRC.
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lezard_valeth posted:wait, what?? no, that is not true. I have 300+ hours in that game I would have definitely noticed that 
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lezard_valeth posted:Maining Reyn btw because "Alle hoop!" and he is a lovable idiot I suggest alternating who you control because everyone is a joy to handle. By the time the shops start selling anti-mechon weapons it even becomes safe to boot Shulk from the party.
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Tae posted:The early game is still rough for me, and I'm actually doing more sidequests than normal. Am I missing something, or equipment other than the refuge colony 6 camp? (just met hammer mech). Define rough, and have you played other XB games? With how many interlocking systems there are, it's difficult to know which one you might be neglecting (if even there is one). At that plot point, you should still have a fixed party of Shulk, Reyn and Sharla IIRC. I'll be honest, I think that's kinda an underpowered party, because that last member is underpowered in my opinion. Also you're low level and so you have way less options when fights go south and your passive healing should e still subpar. I'd wait for the next party member before restarting sidequesting.
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abraxas posted:
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Deified Data posted:I must have missed it in the tutorial - what exactly is the purpose of getting a quality (?) above 100% when making a gem? I made a few rank 1 gems of varying quality yesterday but their effect was all the same. Each gem rank has a range for the effect. At 100% quality, you get a gem with the minimum effect for its rank. Going up in quality you proportionally increase the effect, up to the maximum for the rank at 200%. Not so coincidentally, maximum effect for a given rank is equal to the minimum effect for next rank, so the game ranks up the gem mostly as a reminder. Between 200% and 299%, nothing happens. At 300%, you instead get two ranked-up gems. I'd say your gems were too close in quality to have noticeable differences in their effects. Detective No. 27 posted:Could someone give me a better explanation what I should be doing when Shulk gets his future visions? I get the idea that you should warn a character, or put up a shield, but sometimes it happens right after I use up a Monado action and the cooldown won't end before the enemy attack happens. It makes me feel like I'm playing wrong. Deified Data posted:I've just been saving shield for those moments personally. You can: a) use any of your controlled character's arts to avert the future. b) go next to a party member and spend a single chain gauge to use ANY of their arts, outside standard cooldown timers. c) blow the enemy up before the attack goes off. When a future tag is active, the enemy responsible for the attack takes more damage from arts of a different kind than the one depicted (I don't remember exactly the details) While Shulk is going to be the future averter specialist (the Monado is kinda built for that) until midgame, be creative. Examples: _Break -> topple delays the tag and forces a re-roll on the accuracy RNG; so if a dodge-tank gets targeted it's usually enough to turn the attack into a miss. _Progressing further into daze clears the attack and forces the enemy to pick a new one at random when they recover, with a fresh timer. The future tag stays active. _Just heal the afflicted character out of kill range. _Tell your slacker tank to taunt and face-tank the attack. In general, aggro manipulation can force re-targeting. Keep in mind that a future tag utterly cripples the enemy under prediction. They can't do ANYTHING until the tag fully clears, and they take conditionally more damage from your arts. It's why adds are even more devastating than normal in this game. If an add triggers a future tag, the boss is free to wail on the party with impunity.
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Barudak posted:Melia rules but yeah the AI does not, like, understand her loop. That's a decent idea. Basically make her overheat usable during a chain (and not a pure drawback) and we're good. Sharla main problem is that she's a full time support that can't actually do support during chain attacks. As an example, part of what makes Melia good is that her main offensive option is her talent art and you can charge it up beforehand, so during chain attacks she can stack and keep the multiplier going across multiple art colors.
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Dackel posted:Dear Diary, So, so true to game. So true. Also what the gently caress, why didn't they backport the unique enemy tomb from Xenoblade 2? For those that haven't played 2: when you kill an unique its spawn point becomes a tomb. Interact with it to immediately spawn it for another round, say because you're power-farming one of its drops.
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Snake Maze posted:Just use them together. There’s no unusable combos and the game is hundreds of hours long - you’ll want the variety eventually. Plus, if you don’t use all the party combos how will you hear all the banter?? Heropon and Herohom invincible! How did they hit the homerun to end all homeruns with this game Nopons, and how did they drop the ball horribly with X and 2 Nopons, mankind will never know.
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Deified Data posted:This is probably a dumb question but when you pull up the full map with Y is there a way to just...exit back to the game with one button press instead of having to exit to the map selection screen and then exit again to the game? X button. I know, it makes no sense.
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Did Alvis always have the Zohar pendant? I'd assume so because it's a Zohar shape in a Xeno game, but I didn't notice it the first time around.
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TheKingofSprings posted:He did not. That is really neat then. It even has these four little metal bits going inwards that vaguely resemble the X shape Pyra carved out of her crystal to save Rex.
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lezard_valeth posted:Also how does Melia's Talent work? Sometimes her Burst mode will last a long while, some other times it will poof off after 1 attack Tension and RNG. High tension is high duration. Although I think the clock starts ticking after the first boosted discharge.
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lezard_valeth posted:Speaking of Sharla, I see a lot of people saying she is gently caress all useless, yet I already have my 6 party members and she's the only one so far with reliable heals. Does this game get some broken damage into HP items like XBC2 had that makes her redundant or do the other characters get better heals at higher levels? You have so much passive healing Sharla quickly becomes redundant, and her cooldowns are way too long. In addition, she's a liability during chain attacks; she doesn't have a talent art; revives are cheap and plentiful, especially any team with Dunban, Riki and/or Seven; a lot of characters have some off-healing, hell Riki is almost a good an healer as Sharla because his 1 (one) healing art has a reasonable cooldown and it's AoE. When you can carry 8 arts in battle, 5 of them being dedicated healing is at least three too much. Especially when you don't have the ninth art everyone else has. It's the reason healer blades in 2 do their thing by having most their moves spawn healing bottles in addition to "gently caress the enemy" effects. Sharla has very little "gently caress the enemy" effects, and they're in mostly the wrong colors. Her good thing is that she can cleanse and proactively prevent debuffs. That's it. E: some unrelated random thoughts, involving some endgame spoilers, probably without answers: why does the Monado have the safety measure preventing it to cut Homs, High Entia and I presume Nopons? Was it something by Zanza to manipulate Shulk down the line or was it something by the High Entia to try and kneecap Zanza? Also the Monado worked fine against Telethia before the unlock, so are High Entia protected because by the time of the game basically every one of them is half-homs? Or does the safety measure check for self-awareness? Omobono fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Jun 4, 2020 |
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Terper posted:Nopon are timeless, eternal. Unrelated but if we ever get a Xenogears - Actually Finished Edition they'd totally change the Chus into Nopons.
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Sakurazuka posted:Just noticed that all the quests I got from the bird people place have a clock icon, do you always get a 'would you like to proceed y/n' point like the refugee camp on quests that expire? More or less? I don't think there's a prompt but those quests go away after an extremely important plot boss, and you could engage it, or go playing slots in the Gold Saucer, at will. It's well after you get Seven. (big spoilers obviously) For more details, while still trying to stay generic, those quests expire at the end of the Mechonis section.
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queeb posted:so dunban, doesnt a lot of your power come from gems? using him naked seems bad since he cant use any except his weapon right? It's subpar compared to five maxed gems, but between some of his skills and some of Melia's naked Dunban gets some buffs comparable to what he'd get from the slots. E: Lord Lambeth posted:I just got confirmation that my physical copy of the remaster is on the way. I'm excited to blade some xenos or whatever happens in this game. Get ready for maximum anime. Tips: a) Simply killing an unique monster gives decent-ish rewards. Most important is an affinity coin for each first kill. You'll never have enough of those, so get to grinding. Drop a pin on your map if you have to skip an unique. a bis) Spike damage is BS. If any unique has spike damage skip it until you can deal with it (read: craft two rank 5 gems per character to remove that mechanic from the game at the cost of two gem slots) a ter) If you can't find an unique for a quest either you already killed it (25% respawn each time you fast travel) or it's the wrong weather. Check the quest for details. b) Those level infinity monsters you see running around are normal. Learn the meaning of their aggro symbols so they don't turn the party into red paste. c) Sharla is a great crutch when you have no loving clue what you're doing. Sharla is a liability when you finally get one. I'm hard on her but early on she's great. d) Switch party leader every now and then. Everyone has their playstyle. e) The party gauge is easy come easy go. Use chain attacks liberally, even against mooks, they are part of the party affinity grind. Against bosses some better timing might be needed, mostly to guarantee you still have a bar afterwards. f) Party affinity is the most important stat in the game (followed closely by agility on Dunban and Seven). Get to grinding. And above all remember: the future is yours to decide
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For the omega-th time, I loving hate spike damage and I think it has no place in Xenoblade. It's my main and constant criticism to the battle system. Checking the wiki rank 3 crystals with spike defence are in the ice region and Makna forests. Rank 4 are in the Mechonis. And fairly late at that. UUUGGGHHHHH. I'll have to make do with rank 3, no way I'm skipping all the uniques with spikes until then.
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multijoe posted:If you play the crafting game well you can make a good supply of rank 4 spike gems from rank 3 mats. The trick is to refine low grade crystals with a good medium/gentle team to produce higher level cylinders, then once you've got them to 80+ go with Shulk and Reyn (who you should have at high affinity at this point in the game) and smash two high value cylinders together into a massive strong flame streak, which should reliably get you into the 300%+ range at net you two rank 4 gems Which is what I did back in the original's days, it's just that two rank 4 gems aren't full immunity IIRC. I guess one can always spread Dunban's skill around. Oh well, they'll tide me over once I get Seven and start the time-honored JRPG tradition of the side quests road trip.
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I had forgotten exactly how good the comic relief character is. What did we do to deserve the noble and mighty heropon?
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Deified Data posted:Holy poo poo that's a gamechanger, I never would have tried that. And I thought her damage was decent just discharging one element at a time. Three elements total at one time, but they can be duplicates. e.g. 3 thunder is fine, 2 thunder and 2 fire is one too many. Duplicate elements give each their full bonus (so for example if 1 summoned fire is 20% strength 2 fire is 40%)
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Be careful though, because it's super easy to pull aggro with Melia once you have her gemmed up and are discharging your bolts properly. She just does a ridiculous amount of damage when played properly. That's why Melia has shadow stitch and a boombox playing Benny Hill's theme. E: Burginator posted:Also -- Is there always going to be 7000000000000000000 quests everywhere I go? It seems somewhat excessive. Your game just heard you. Put your ear near the Switch and/or the cartidrage to hear its answer: you sweet summer child
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Tae posted:I'm at the sword battlefield, someone tell me what to craft in gems cause I'm still not at that mythical part where Sharla isn't needed in boss battles. Agility gems up to +50 for the dodge tank, strength or ether for the others. Hybrids attackers should probably get ether gems. Skip anything with damaging spikes until you have some appropriate gems of that type. I'd wait until Seven for those though. The mythical part where Sharla isn't needed starts when Dunban joins. Riki later on helps a lot because his healing art is almost as good as Sharla's whole healing toolkit, but you can make even a negligible healing party like Dunban, Reyn, Melia work. a) Even a couple levels are a massive difference. If you have some exp banked in expert mode try using up some and see if anything changes. Make sure you're up to date on all the art manuals from the merchants so you can level them up if needed. b) Don't sit on chain attacks. They're the bulk of your offense. As a reminder, killing an enemy during a chain attack restores a bar. It's how the party can vaporize big groups. c) Outside of when you're forced (some plot battles against face mechons), don't bother with break/topple/daze during chain attacks. Spam same color arts (red) to build up the multiplier, that thing is exponential. d) Skill link all the passive healing you can spread around.
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Taear posted:I still want to know how Dunban got to Sword Valley without visiting Makna forest. Did he fly using things that the Mechon blew up when they attacked? Or did he go...via the front of the Bionis rather than the back? I guess we've not seen the front or the other leg. Game starts in Colony 9 and we visit Colony 6. One would assume there are (or were) Colonies 1 to 8 and an Homs main settlement somewhere.
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Tempura Wizard posted:If I kill a unique before getting all party members do I have to go back and kill them later to get new members that Affinity Coin? I just checked, in my current file all party members have about the same amount of affinity coins (with a variation of 1 or 2 to account for maximum level reached). It's surprisingly good on this.
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