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Book 1: It's the near future, sometime in the early 2000's, and our hero is flying his shuttle on the far side of the moon when the moon grabs him and pulls him inside it. Turns out the moon is not a moon but in fact a giant warship from a long-dead space empire. The AI is still online though. The empire was fighting aliens (or maybe robots?) and losing so the crew mutinied and took the ship to this backwater. The AI drafts Johnny Spaceman, All American Hero, to be its new commanding officer and sends him back to Earth because the original crew is still around tens of thousands of years later. They used their technology to appear as gods and are all named Anubis and Set and the like, very Stargate but I think this preceded that movie. Anyways there's been a secret shadow war between factions of the crew and human secret societies raging on Earth since the dawn of civilization. This all gets wrapped up somehow but I don't remember how. But it's a good thing it did because uh-oh the aliens (robots?) that took down the old Empire are coming for Earth! Our Hero reveals the moon-warship to the world and says "hey guys we gotta start getting Earth ready, come on up and grab all this technology, also this AI is going to help us." Smash cut to a montage of Earth preparing for war. Now we've got a thousand laser satellites pointing outward and we're strapping advanced ancient alien weaponry to the space shuttles. Nobody seems at all concerned that the tides are all now completely hosed because the moon sailed off deeper into the solar system. Anyway Earth is saved I think I don't really remember that much about it. Book 2 (or maybe the second half of book 1?): Our Hero, who the world leaders let command the moonship because the AI won't accept anybody else as the captain, trains up a crew and flies off to see if there's anything left of the ancient space empire. They spend a while poking through ruins and find the Imperial capital. It's biosphere is completely wonky because they had a huge zoo with creatures from all over the galaxy that was blasted open and intermingled over tens of millennia, which is honestly a pretty neat sci-fi concept. Anyway they stumble on a computer center that's still working. Our Hero plugs in and the computer says "hey you were drafted just a few years ago but technically that makes you the highest-ranking member of our civilization, congrats you're now the Emperor." All the nations of Earth are cool with this because sci-fi authors loving love space monarchies. Book 3 (or maybe book 4? All that previous stuff may have been its own book): It's decades later and the kids of Our Hero and some other ancillary characters have all joined the Imperial (formerly Earth) navy and are on their first cruise. Something goes wrong (sabotage? I don't remember) and everyone except them dies. They crash on a former Imperial planet which has become a theocracy that hates technology (wind power is pushing it) but use religious rites to use some of the old Imperial tech (another kind of neat idea). Anyway Our Junior Heroes aren't going to let this stand so they join up with some rebels and using their advanced education and personal devices start a crusade against the capital-C Church. There's a lot of battles because if there's one thing sci-fi authors love more than monarchies it's discussions of 17th century military tactics. Anyway they beat the Church and use the old tech to call home and Emperor Dad is all happy and all the people of Earth (who of course love the Emperor and being a monarchy now) have a party. THE END. David Weber, I think. Moon Slayer fucked around with this message at 04:51 on May 25, 2020 |
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It's a normal evening on Nantucket island when the sky goes wonky and all communication is knocked out. The next morning they find out the entire island has been thrown back in time to the Bronze Age. Some people can't handle this and go nuts but for the most part people are okay with it. They start taking inventory and planting crops; fortunately the police chief is always calm and competent and takes charge. Also a Coast Guard training ship was sailing (yes it's a sail ship) by when this happened and was sent back too. The ship is commanded by a black, gay woman which is neat but she's from the south and the transcription of her accent is not great. Anyway, her first officer is kind of a dick. Anyway they get things sorted out so they're not in immediate danger and load up the ship and sail to Britain to trade for stuff. They pull up to a tribal village and freak everyone out but are eventually welcomed in. This tribe has been invading the island for a while and displacing the gentler inhabitants. The chief gives one of these people to the captain as a slave and she has to be talked down from murdering them all in the interest of diplomacy. Also there is a merchant from an Iberian city-state there and he goes back to Nantucket with them all. He and the first officer immediately start conspiring. Captain falls in love with her slave and is really conflicted but it all turns out fine and they get married. First Officer wants to lean into might makes right but the captain and chief seem to want to make a democracy and do peaceful trading which just sounds like no fun at all. So first officer manipulates some well-meaning hippies who want to go help the native Americans so that in two thousand years they won't be wiped out by the Europeans. They steal two boats and load them with supplies. First officer sails off for England leaving the hippies to go down to Mexico where they are immediately imprisoned, tortured, and gruesomely executed but not before spreading disease to the Olmecs. Ha! Take that stupid hippies. That'll teach you to try to do good. Anyways, first officer sets about building his own personal empire in England with his crew and a few up-timers he kidnapped along the way. Also his wife and number two is an Asian nurse who's super into BDSM. Nantucket knows they can't let this stand so they ally with the slave's tribe and go to war. There's a battle, the bad tribe is defeated and run off to Greece. Nantucket starts nation-building in Britain and North America is depopulated again. Island in the Sea of Time, by SM Stirling. It's actually exactly the kind of crap that I love so it was a fun read.
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Turns out galactic society is arranged in such a way that your civilization gets status by uplifting another species. Earth is currently in the process of being uplifted and given a bunch of tech, but humans have also started uplifting dolphins and apes. The aliens are conflicted as to whether or not this is cheating. Anyway some researchers take a new kind of ship into the sun to do science and discover a kind of plasma-based lifeform living there. It's entirely possible I never finished this book even though I remember it being ok. Sure don't remember the name or author though.
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Humans and aliens have been at war for a long time. Now a veteran pilot is assigned to a beat-up old carrier full of pilots who hate him. There's a long grinding slog of missions and then high command goes all in on blowing up the enemy homeworld. Their first attempt to do so is derailed by one of the pilots being an enemy spy. This is unfortunate for the hero because he was the only one who really trusted this pilot, everyone else kinda already thought he was a spy. Anyway they eventually do blow up the enemy homeworld but almost all the pilots except the main character die in the process, including his main rival. Twist: It's the novelization of Wing Commander 3.
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It's a lot more famous and proof that being considered a classic doesn't make something good.
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Fahrenheit 451.
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Our hero is a struggling graduate student at MIT trying to invent time travel. He's broke and his adviser is getting impatient. Finally he succeeds in making a time machine. There are a few rules: the machine itself is the size of a breadbox. It can only transport the person holding it or if placed against a metal frame everything inside. It can only go forward in time. And every time it is activated the increment that it jumps forward increases exponentially. Also the location it jumps to moves, the distance also increasing exponentially every time its used. There's some shenanigans while this is being figured out but eventually our hero ends up in a big car chase for ... reasons that I don't remember. He's used the device enough at this point that when he activates it while going down the freeway he ends up ten years in the future and in the next county. He appears in a big stadium with a cheering crowd. Turns out his advisor found his research and took credit for it and is now rich and famous. Our hero is less famous as the test subject. He's understandably pissed at this, breaks out, grabs the device, and hops in his car again. He ends up in Pennsylvania a hundred years in the future. There's clearly been an apocalypse of some kind because all he finds are a bunch of rusted out cars and broken roads. He makes his way back to Boston and finds that it's at medieval levels of development and everyone is hard-core Christian. He goes to MIT and tells them he's a professor (technically true) and they believe him. They give him an office, a room, and a TA who's a hot young woman of course. TA's are now more like servants and so she lives with him. There's a lot of discussion about the fact that this culture for whatever reason doesn't have a nudity taboo. Anyway he bullshits around feudal MIT for a while and then he's told "hey, Jesus wants to see you." Uh, okay. He goes to the chapel and a big hologram of Jesus appears and starts asking him questions. He figures out its an AI of some kind. He runs off, he and his TA go into an old bank vault and use the device. They end up in Utah several centuries in the future. The nice Mormon family whose backyard their bank vault appears in takes it in stride. Everything east of the Rockies is apparently still under the control of an AI that EMP-ed everyone back to the tenth century and pretends to be Jesus in order to keep control. It shoots down anyone going over the mountains. The rest of the world has decided its best to just leave it alone. Our heroes, who are now romantic of course, decide the only way back is forward so they borrow a boat and appear in the western Pacific in like the year 5000. They get picked up by an AI who treats them to dinner but is kind of creepy so they bust out and steal a spaceship. Now they're tens of thousand of years in the future and try to get into Australia but are almost shot down by the giant fortress that is now where Australia is. Something about them being impure or they think they're working for the AI because they're in the ship. I don't know. And then I'm sure some other stuff happens but I don't remember how this all ended. Also don't remember the name or author. It wasn't that bad but the young assistant he picks up and later bangs is not a very good look. You're welcome!
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I'm gonna do all the Honor Harrington books over the weekend and nobody can stop me. I'm just trying to decide if skimming Wikipedia to keep what books have what bullshit in them is in the spirit of the thread or if I should just wing it even when it turns into a mess of "and then I think this happened."
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DrBouvenstein posted:I came in here to describe this book: The Accidental Time Machine That's it, thanks! Come to think of it I do vaguely remember that ending, but I definitely scrubbed the zero-g jizz from my memory. Anyway, stand by for a whole bunch of "monarchy and colonialism ... good?"
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All right, here we go. First, let’s do some world building: The good guys: The Star Kingdom of Manticore. Victorian England in space. They have a queen that everyone likes but it’s okay because she’s got dark skin so get off the author’s back, okay!? Also a land-holding nobility with space counts and dukes. Nobody thinks this is a bad way to run a modern society. All the military branches have “Royal” in front of them and all their ships have names like HMS Indefatigable. The Navy is run by the Lords of the Admiralty except they have titles like First Space Lord. Nobody thinks this is dumb. There’s also a Parliament and a Prime Minister but the Queen seems to be the one making strategic military decisions. Anyway, Manticore is only a single system with a couple inhabited planets but they absolutely dominate trade and have a huge Navy to protect it. Actually come to think of it they’re much more like the 18th-century Dutch than the 19th-century British. The reason they’re so good at trade is because they control the Basilisk wormhole. There’s a stable wormhole in Manticore that leads to the Basilisk system but the Basilisk end leads to multiple different systems. So they make a killing on tolls and customs fees from ships using the wormholes. Despite this, guarding the Basilisk wormhole is considered a punishment duty for Navy fuckups. The bad guys: The Republic of Haven is a corrupt oligarchy instead of a noble monarchy but is also clearly supposed to be Space Tsarist Russia. But also a lot is made about how most of their citizens are “on the dole.” Haven has fallen into an “expand or die” economic model but also it’s supposed to be a metaphor for the Great Game between Russia and Britain in the 19th century. It’s a multiple-system empire like most of the galactic powers instead of a single-system polity like Manticore. Our Hero: Commander Honor Harrington of Her Majesty’s Royal Navy is: - Abnormally tall and big-boned. Later it’s revealed that she’s slightly genetically engineered. This is mostly used as a device for her to be able to eat as much as she wants for other women to be jealous about. - A martial arts master. Also proficient with swords. - She can read your emotions because she has a treecat. Treecats are psychic animals that only bond to ~special~ humans and grant them some empathic abilities. They look like six-legged lynxes but are about the size of a small house cat. They have sharp claws and teeth and like to go for people’s faces. Honor’s treecat is named Nimitz and rides around on her shoulder. - She’s like, super professional and honorable. I’ll admit it takes quite a bit of confidence to name your character for their defining trait. - When she was a cadet a male classmate tried to force himself on her and she totally kicked his rear end. But he is the son of a nobleman so there were no consequences for him but her assignments have been pretty sucky her whole career. But she won’t complain about this or criticize their system of government because of how honorable she is and how honorable it is to serve the Crown. Space: Ships use something called an “impeller” for sublight travel and a hyperspace drive for interstellar travel. Impeller, a word that will quickly lose all meaning because of how often it’s said, is basically a space sail fore and aft has to be charged up (“raised”) before use. The impeller also acts as an impenetrable shield for both incoming and outgoing fire so ships mostly fight with beam and missile broadsides. Hyperspace also had tides and currents so you’re never 100% sure how long it will take to get somewhere. This is why the wormhole is so critical to trade. Okay, with all of that out of the way, stand by for our protagonist’s first adventure where her ~honor~ is continually tested by her circumstances. Moon Slayer fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Jun 6, 2020 |
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Book 1: On Basilisk Station (all the books have names like “For the Queen’s Honor” and “Defenders of the Honorable Crown” and the like) Commander Honor Harrington arrives to take command of a light cruiser. Honestly I forgot what the name of this ship was but it was something like HMS Courageous or HMS Valor. I’m going to call it the HMS Protagonist. Her uniform has a white beret to show that she’s in command of a combat vessel, a fact that will be repeated roughly a billion times over the next few books. There’s a lot of naval ritual porn (“You are relieved” “I stand relieved” “Attention to orders” etc.) that I’m going to skip over, which cuts out about a quarter of the dialogue. Anyway her crew don’t like her because she has a reputation for having a powerful noble enemy that makes sure her ships get poo poo assignments. Everyone knows that if she just played politics a little and sucked up to a few admirals or counts this would be taken care of but she would rather eat poo poo her whole life than besmirch her ~honor~. Her XO also was passed over for command of the Protagonist because he’s not the protagonist and has a chip on his shoulder about it. War games time! The Protagonist has been outfitted with an experimental plasma lance that’s the pet project of some admiral but everyone else thinks is probably going to be useless. But Honor is such a tactical genius that she uses this to win their first round in a way that’s embarrassing for the commander of the other team and they focus on making sure the Protagonist gets killed first in all the next rounds. Crew morale is low and then the ship is assigned to Basilisk Station to enforce customs patrols around the wormhole. For some idiotic reason, despite being the source of Manticore’s prosperity this is considered to be the assignment given to people the Navy considers too stupid or unpopular for real work doing … something? Fighting pirates probably. There hasn’t been a real war in living memory so I’m not sure what else the Royal Navy has going on that’s more important than guarding the only stable wormhole humanity knows about. Anyway the Protagonist transits through the wormhole and Honor finds out that the commander of Basilisk Station is none other than the noble who assaulted her back at the academy. I don’t think he remembers who she is but he says “hey actually my ship is in need of repairs so we’re going home, you’re in charge while I’m gone, peace” and fucks off. So Honor has to do the job of two ships with just one. She knows she’s been set up to fail but won’t offer a single complaint or report this dick’s clearly negligent behavior because technically he didn’t violate any Navy regulations and she’s too ~honorable~ to criticize a superior officer in public or private. The Basilisk wormhole is also close to a planet inhabited by a pre-industrial alien race. Manticore has a few scientific and trade outposts near some of the friendlier tribes. No prime directive here but they also try not to interfere too much. Not sure what exactly they’re trading for. Anyway the director of the science team says some local religious leader has been trying to rally the tribes to drive away the offworlders. The locals’ (you’d better believe they’re referred to as “natives”) religion is centered on ingestion of a drug and this agitator seems to have an unusually large supply of it so he’s pulling in lots of followers. Oh yes and also there’s a big freighter from Haven that’s been parked in orbit for a few months because of some tariff dispute. Since Basilisk Station is where the Navy sends its fuckups there’s a lot of smuggling and tariff evasion going on. Most inspection people are on the take as well. But since our protagonist is so ~honorable~ she actually enforces the letter of the law. This pisses off business tycoons at home who got used to getting around the fees. There’s lots of discussion about shipping regulations and whatnot. Also a B story about a young Ensign and a crusty chief petty officer who are put in charge of inspecting for contraband and learn to respect each other. Blah blah blah. One of the business tycoons comes out to yell at Honor and then try to bribe her but she doesn’t give in because she’s so ~honorable~. Anyway over time they find a bunch of clues that someone is making drugs and guns for the inhabitants and trying to whip them up into attacking the trade enclave. They find a drug lab with offworld tech and eventually the “native uprising” (yikes) kicks off. Honor puts all the pieces together that Haven did this and there’s a fleet waiting outside the system on “routine exercises” that will just happen to be contacted by their freighter and will then come in to “secure” the enclaves and then Haven will own Basilisk because ???. The freighter takes off for deep space. Honor sends some Royal Marines in power armor down to massacre the locals and then takes off after it but not before sending a message through the wormhole with the super-special code that you only use when Manticore territory is going to be invaded. But the freighter is not a freighter but a heavily-armed Q-ship! The Protagonist is obviously outgunned but its commanding officer is too ~honorable~ to just let them go because the rest of the Manticore Home Fleet won’t get there in time. Oh yeah, there’s no FTL communication in this universe so if they stop the freighter from getting in range of the Haven fleet it won’t be able to tell them to move in. The two ships slug it out and the Protagonist is blasted apart around Honor. Her crew has come to respect her and want to be ~honorable~ too so nobody says “hey maybe we shouldn’t get ourselves killed over this?” In the end she uses the plasma lance to do something and blow up the Q-ship. Most of her crew is dead and her ship is a floating husk but she acted with ~honor~ so everybody understands. The Manticore fleet shows up, the Marines massacre the local population, the Haven fleet is found lurking outside the system and told to gently caress off. Honor’s old assailant from the academy is in big trouble for not uncovering this plot and leaving his station. Honor is promoted to captain and given a bigger, newer ship. Her XO gets a command of his own. Now she has the respect and admiration of her crew, superiors, and government. So they reward her by sending her as an emissary to a repressive, patriarchal Christian fundamentalist planet. Next book!
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Barudak posted:19th century British Navy Porn in Space (tags: solo female, honor)" Got it in one.
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Book 2: The Honor of the Queen (I’m not making that up) Captain Honor Harrington is now in command of the heavy cruiser HMS Protagonist II. Her new assignment is to be part of a diplomatic mission to the nearby planet of Grayson (Greyson?). Grayson is a patriarchal, conservative Christian world that practices polygamy and is significantly less technologically advanced than Manticore, so of course it’s imperative to get these assholes on our side post haste. Everyone knows war with Haven is coming and Manticore is going to need all the help it can get. Also Grayson for some reason. Honor is sent along as head of the diplomatic corps’ escort as a way for Manticore to pay lip service to criticising Grayson’s stance on women’s rights without being too strong about it as to risk antagonizing a potential ally. This is called out as bullshit in a surprisingly progressive stance for a military scifi novel. Anyway they get there and meet with the Grayson prime minister who is something of a reformer but has a large group of hard core conservatives in his coalition that he can’t afford to piss off who don’t want outsiders giving their women ideas about voting or legalizing divorce or serving in the military and the like. I think he only has two or three wives which is why he’s seen as a radical liberal by The Church. Grayson also has a noble land-owning aristocracy but I don’t think they have a monarch. Anyway there’s problems with like pirates and domestic terrorism and such. Of course it’s a Haven plot to derail the negotiations. Terrorists attack the Prime Minister when he’s having Honor over for dinner and she and her shoulder cat kill them all and save the PM and his family so now he’s all for women in the military and alliance with Manticore. They find out that Haven “sold” a few modern ships with “advisors” to the local pirates or separatists or someone. I don’t really remember this one all that well, tbh. There’s a big space battle, Honor is again victorious despite being outnumbered and outgunned. One of the Grayson nobles was working with Haven and challenges Honor to a duel. Despite being a white evangelical society with names like Jebbidiah and Enoch they have always dueled with katanas. Honor of course eviscerates this guy on the floor of the parliament and now everyone is on board with the alliance. Honor is gifted a patch of land on Grayson making her a noble which confers some associated nobility status back home. The End!
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Book 3: The Short Victorious War I’ll be honest, I didn’t remember anything about this book and had to look up what happened. I remember some of the events but didn’t know that they were in this book specifically. Haven is falling apart so they attack Manticore because of the title of the book. Captain Harrington is now in command of the Navy’s biggest and best battlecruiser. There’s a bunch of battles and stuff, her old assailant from the academy is put in charge of the defense of some system and royally (heh) fucks up but Honor saves the day of course. Haven then has a coup by a bunch of radicals who create a revolutionary government and start purging the military leadership. That’s right, baby, our Tsarist Russia analogue is now a Soviet Union analogue! And that’s pretty much all I remember.
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Thank you, I did not remember a single drat thing about book 4.
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Turns out I also remember nothing about book 5 so Dalris will take that one as well.
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Yeah turns out the guy getting katana-ed in parliament was book 5, not book 2. Anyway! Book 6: Honor Among Enemies Because you can’t just gun down a noble and run off to your land in a foreign state without some kind of consequences, Commodore (?) Harrington is put in charge of a Navy Q-ship and sent off the fight pirates. If you aren’t familiar with the phrase Q-ship it’s a warship disguised as a freighter. They were used against submarines in the world wars because subs would usually surface to shell unarmed merchant ships instead of wasting torpedoes. Then the guns would come out and blow up the sub. So they go out and fly around alone and try to look like a tempting target, then when pirates come in to board surprise, missiles to the face! I actually liked this book quite a bit. They’re doing this in a kind of lawless border region between Manticore and a third polity that’s only been mentioned in passing before now: Anderman. This is a militarized warrior state big into honor. It’s people are descended from colonists from China but German is the official language for some reason that I can’t remember and is probably dumb. Also a lot is made of the fact that their uniforms are pure white which honestly sounds like a nightmare to maintain but is probably easier with future space tech. Anyway they fly around for a while blowing up pirates. Haven is also out there doing commerce raiding because the war has been going on in the background this whole time, despite seeming like what the whole series was building to. Also there’s a B plot about some enlisted kid on his very first cruise being bullied by other enlisted. He takes a few karate lessons from Honor to try and stand up for himself. Of course, instead of just being jerks the bullies are planning to mutiny and join the pirates because you either an ~honorable~ member of Her Royal Majesty’s Space Navy or you’re a traitor. No shades of grey allowed in this military. Anyway the kid discovers this plot and helps foil it, becoming a confident hard-working enlisted crewmember along the way. There’s some big fight at the end of course and Honor does such a good job that everyone forgets that she murdered someone on live TV (even if he was a jerk) and then hosed off to a different state entirely despite her home being in a war for their very survival. Anderman is also so impressed they join the war on Manticore's side.
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Book 7: In Enemy Hands The title pretty much gives this one away. For the first time Honor is defeated in battle while on a convoy escort mission. This is about where the series establishes how almost all battles will end for the rest of the series: initial maneuvering and engagement followed by a previously undetected force powering up and outnumbering the other side. Usually it’s Honor’s fleet doing this but not this time. Anyway she and most of the other main characters are captured and Haven’s propaganda minister puts on a big show trial and sentences her to death for the whole Basilisk Station thing from the first book. Haven has, by this point, gone full “dictatorship of the proletariat” and everyone has to call each other “citizen.” Of course the original revolutionaries are just as corrupt as the previous regime. A few of the non-purged military leaders are conflicted about this but are too ~honorable~ to do anything about it, thus establishing a few Haven characters as One Of The Good Ones. Oh and I haven’t mentioned it yet but over the past six books Honor has been getting an increasing collection of cybernetic parts due to battle damage. I think at this point she has an artificial eye and artificial arm and a few other bits and bobs. Also at some point along the way (maybe now maybe later but who cares it doesn’t really matter) she has started teaching her treecat sign language which nobody up until now has ever thought of. They’re more intelligent than previously thought. Anyway Honor and the crew obviously escape and blow up the ship in orbit around the prison planet that was to be their destination. They take a bunch of sublight shuttles down to the surface and that’s how the book ends.
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Book 8: Echoes of Honor The book starts with the good guys hiding out in their stolen shuttles in a valley on the Haven prison planet. They’ve got a camp set up and are planning their next move. Also I didn’t mention before but the prison planet is named Hades (or maybe Tartarus, definitely one of the mythological underworlds). The actual prison is a compound on an island so they’ve got a whole planet to hide in. Unfortunately the planet has an orbital defense grid designed to prevent anyone leaving and even if they did they don’t have any ships capable of interstellar travel so they’d be stuck in the system. After a while the crew manage to take over the prison compound and free the POWs. Honor 3D prints a Grayson uniform because she’s a fleet admiral there and not a Manticore uniform because then she’d only be a commodore and assumes command. This doesn’t seem very ~honorable~ tbh and the highest-ranking POW rightfully objects to this but he’s a blustery incompetent and so it’s a good thing Honor’s in charge and not him. Only fools get captured by Haven (ignore the last book). Anyway I don’t remember specifically how they get off the planet but I think it involves taking over the supply ship or luring in a Haven destroyer or something. Either way they get everyone off the planet and fly back home to a hero’s welcome.
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docbeard posted:(There's also a later prequel in which the Tripods brainwash everyone using TV.) I read that one in elementary school! Never knew it was a prequel to anything.
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Okay, one more before I call it a night. Book 9: Ashes of Victory So, our hero has returned from being a POW. Everyone thought she was dead and they had a funeral and everything, but now she’s back. Not everyone can say they’ve escaped from the galaxy’s most dangerous prison. Honor can. Honor says it and she says it outloud every day to her superior officers and all they do is prove that high-ranking admirals can be petty assholes. Anyway someone finally says “hey this lady has foiled every single Haven plot she’s been up against, maybe we should … listen to her?” So they stick her at the Naval Academy to teach. Meanwhile Haven has a coup and then a counter-coup leaving most of the leadership dead. But they’re still winning the war. Until now. Manticore has been building a new fleet of next-generation ships with a bunch of new technologies, mostly developed by Honor on Grayson who have gone from being a lovely third-rate power to building the best ships in the galaxy. Because of Honor’s influence, of course. Anyway these new ships are pretty much unbeatable due to the new superior tactics of “hey maybe we should fire ALL our missiles at once by just shoving them all out into space at the same time instead of just shooting them in batches of a dozen.” This proves to be a completely unbeatable advantage and soon they’ve pushed Haven back to their capital. Haven terrorists attack a bunch of stuff and kill the Manticore Prime Minister. Honor personally saves the queen and leader of Grayson. This is still bad because up until now the Good Party has been in the majority, but with the death of the prime minister now the Bad Party is in charge. Instead of finishing off Haven like the military wants they negotiate a peace treaty. How dare they. Up until now we’ve had a few Haven admirals who have been shown to be ~honorable~ and as I said early One Of The Good Ones. The Haven leader of the month tries to arrest one of these admirals but he launches the third coup in like six months. Because he’s ~honorable~ this admiral starts putting together a civilian government. That’s right, Haven has gone from a Tsarist Russia analogue to a USSR analogue and is now a post-Soviet-breakup Russia analogue!
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Carillon posted:Love all of these summaries, having read the books I feel you're doing more justice to them than they deserve. GotLag posted:They're cheesy, enjoyable scifi and the summaries here aren't doing them justice. I mean, they are dumb, but generally in a fun way. In summary, the Honorverse is a land of contrasts. Also yes I completely forgot Robert Pierre. Wikipedia also reminded me that the group that takes over calls themselves the Committee of Public Safety which is also pretty on the nose. I still maintain that Haven's arc is closer to Russia than revolutionary France but it's a bit of a "you got your World War II metaphor in my Napoleonic War metaphor! Well you got your Napoleonic War metaphor in my World War II metaphor! Hmm ..." deal.
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Just wait until we get into what the Bad Party is doing now that they are in charge! Coming later today.
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Book 10: War of Honor So in the years since the war ended, the Bad Party has been busy running Manticore into the ground. They hate the military, they hate Honor, they hate her friends and crew, they hate Manticore's allies, they hate Haven. TBH I couldn’t remember if the Bad Party was really as bad as I remembered it so I checked Wikipedia and saw the phrase “diverting from the Royal Manticoran Navy's budget for their welfare programs and vote-buying schemes” so, yeah … Anyway they’ve also started going all Treaty of Versailles on Haven pushing them further and further away from any potential reconciliation. Haven’s new leadership starts to worry that Manticore is just going to take them all over so they start preparing for another war. Honor is doing … something. I don’t remember if it’s started yet or not but there’s a whole side plot where she and a fellow high-ranking admiral (did I mention she’s an admiral now?) clearly have feelings for each other. Problem is he’s married, but his wife was in an accident many years ago and is an invalid. Since they’re both so ~honorable~ they push their feelings deep down inside. Even when this guy’s wife proposes an open marriage. Anyway it gets resolved at some point where she marries both of them and Honor is satisfied. (heh) Another side plot is the fact that scientists have discovered a way to access a new destination through the wormhole. Turns out this new terminus is in a relatively distant star cluster home to several poor backwards colonies. Most of these colonies realize that this is probably their big break and ask to become part of the Kingdom. This is all a setup for a spinoff series dealing with fixing these colonies’ problems, which I remember enjoying a lot more than these later main-series novels because the characters for the most part aren’t demigod paragons of ~honor~. Anyway Haven has finally had enough and attacks Manticore. Haven has managed to copy most of the technological advantages Manticore had and since they’re a bigger state with more shipyards they now also outnumber Manticore. Most of their attacks succeed but of course the one system Honor is in is the only one that pushes them back. The Bad Party’s government collapses and the Good Party takes back over. But the war is back on! What did you expect, the series isn’t called Star Peace after all. Wait wrong franchise.
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Book 11: At All Costs So we’re back at war. Haven has the numbers and has rapidly closed the technological advantage Manticore had. The Bad Party also managed to alienate a lot of Manticore’s allies from the previous war. Haven’s officers have also closed the ~honor~ gap with Manticore. If nothing else, at least a fair amount of the enemy is portrayed as being decent people just trying to do what’s best for their people and state. There’s a bunch of battles. Like 90% of the book. At this point it also starts to be revealed that there was some other group that was meddling with the peace talks and agitating the two states towards war. A new peace conference is likewise sabotaged in a way to make each side think the other was responsible. Haven’s leaders know this but without direct proof they can’t do anything about it. Manticore suspects but is less sure, except Honor who is totally sure but ~honorably~ follows orders to prosecute the war. This book ends when Haven attacks the Manticore system itself but are defeated by Honor, of course.
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Jun 7, 2020 14:40
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VictualSquid posted:We later find out that she got expelled from her old university for killing to many people in duels. Finally, a relatable protagonist.
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Book 12: Mission of Honor Okay, so it turns out the group that’s been manipulating Haven and Manticore into war is a planet called Mesa. They’re a planet of genetic slavers and there are several companies that specialize in custom slaves based that have been mentioned in past books. They want Manticore and Haven fighting each other and now they’re manipulating a third polity that I haven’t mentioned up until now: the Solarian League. The SL is headquartered on Earth and is, of course, huge and hugely corrupt. They’re far behind Manticore in terms of technology but have a lot more ships. Anyway they attack some Manticore fleet and both fleets get shredded. Then Mesa blows up all of the Manticore system. Really, they have more advanced technology than anyone else in the galaxy for some reason and fire a bunch of stealth missiles at Manticore’s orbital infrastructure. All of their space stations and shipyards are blown up and millions die. Oh yeah Mesa can also control people with nanobots and turn them into assassins without them knowing it. Finally Haven and Manticore realize that someone has been playing them against one another and the president of Haven and queen of Manticore sign a cease-fire. But uh-oh Mesa told the SL that the Manticore system is all messed up so now is a good time to attack. The SL dispatches a massive fleet but Manticore finds out they’re coming. Will they save their home system? Spoiler: yes because Honor is there and she cannot lose.
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Book 13: A Rising Thunder So there’s this company that will take you back in time and let you shoot a dinosaur. Thing is that it was going to die in minutes anyway so this doesn’t affect the future. Anyway, the dumbest man in the world signs up for this and … poo poo, wait, that’s A Sound of Thunder. My bad. So there’s this planet that will grow you slaves for whatever thing you need a whole bunch of people for. Labor, sex … that’s pretty much it. They’re going to leverage this into taking over the galaxy by making everyone else fight each other. When we last left Our Hero, Manticore and friends was waiting for a massive Solarian fleet to attack the Manticore system. Honor is in charge of the defense so of course they win. Victory is achieved through the same strategy that has been used to win every other major battle for the last seven or eight books: the enemy fleet is lured in by one fleet but that fleet has reinforcements powered down/hiding behind a moon/waiting to make a short-range hyperspace jump in. The enemy fleet engages and then a bunch more ships show up. Repeat until you stop hitting #1 on the New York Times Best Sellers List consistently. Honor uses this time-honored (heh) tactic to blow up the entire Solarian fleet despite being outnumbered like 5 to 1 because the Solarian ships are obsolete compared to The Good Guys’. Anyway the corrupt group that really runs the SL spin this in a way that lets them keep the war going. But now they’re going to fight Manticore by commerce raiding instead of attacking them directly. There’s a subplot about a smaller nation that was in the Solarian sphere of influence but now realizes that Manticore is where it’s at and switches sides.
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Book 14: Uncompromising Honor Mesa realizes the jig is up and Haven, Manticore, Greyson, and others (now stylizing themselves as The Grand Alliance) are onto them. So they start launching more and more terrorist attacks. Meanwhile Manticore is beating up the Solarian League left right and center despite a bunch of smaller systems getting their poo poo blown up. The Grand Alliance lands troops on Mesa but the conspirators nuke their own planet to frame the good guys. There’s one more big battle in the system that switched sides last book and another bunch of space stations are nuked by Mesa spys. The SL refuses to believe that Mesa is behind all of this so Honor says “gently caress this” and just conquers Earth. Well, not really, but she rampages around the solar system for a while until there’s a coup on Earth and the new government sues for peace. Another time-honored (double heh) strategy pays off in the end! At this point Weber goes “eh, I’m kind of sick of this series” and Honor announces her retirement. The End! Or is it? No moral.
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Thank you for attending my TED Talk.
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And now for something that’s not military sci-fi. It’s the near future. Not Neil DeGrasse Tyson (NNDT) is livestreaming an astronomy camp when one of the kids goes “that’s weird.” He’s seen something launch from the moon. Later after some science they determine that actually something passed through the moon. They never do figure out what it was but think it was a microsingularity. It’s a moot point because the moon is now broken into three pieces. That wouldn’t be so bad except that there’s also a massive debris cloud. NNDT does some more science and realizes that they have about three years before all of this debris starts entering the atmosphere all at once. That many meteors will superheat the atmosphere, completely scouring the surface. Earth will be uninhabitable for two thousand years. We’re also introduced to a few other characters including the commander of the International Space Station and one of the scientists there. The ISS still exists and has had more modules bolted to it over the years, including a rotating ring so there’s parts with gravity. The commander is something of a pariah for some reason that I can’t remember despite seeming to be pretty good at her job. The scientist has a dad that is a miner in Alaska that she talks to on a shortwave radio. Anyway after much debate the world consensus is that the best way for humanity to survive as a species is in space. Their solution is to launch a bunch of cylinders connected to each other by a tether in pairs. These will be spinning around each other to create gravity. There will be limited maneuverability so most people will be stuck there forever. Each joined pair will have hydroponics and in theory will be fully self sustaining. The “cloud’s” leadership will be on the ISS. The current crew is told they won’t be coming home before all this goes down. Over the next few years Earth starts firing up as many rockets as they can. Accident rates and launch failures skyrocket because everyone is rushing. Every country on Earth is allowed to send only two of its citizens but they have to be approved by the space council. Highlights of the next few years include: - Venezuela tries to interdict the Guiana launch site to get more of their citizens on the evacuation but President Not-Hillary Clinton nukes them because hey they’re all going to die anyway in a little bit. - Russia has been doing most of the construction on the rapidly expanding ISS. Instead of spending the time and money training cosmonautes and making spacesuits they stick people in metal tubes with minimal life support and manipulator arms. These workers have like a 90% fatality rate but if they survive they get to stay up there. Lady scientist falls in love with one of the lady cosmonaut construction workers. - NNDT has a reconciliation with his estranged son. - ISS commander is demoted and a new (male) commander is sent up. - Not-Elon Musk comes up in a privately built spacecraft. He has an idea to go harness a comet and bring it back to orbit to ensure they have reliable access to fresh water. He and his crew fly off. - Former ISS commander’s husband is a Navy submarine captain and is being sent on secret missions. - Earth starts to send up its evacuees. The Pakistani couple includes Not-Malala. - NNDT is the public face of the effort and is ordered by the president to go up to the ISS to be a calming presence. The day of reckoning arrives (what they’ve referred to as the Hard Rain). Scientist talks to her dad on the radio as it goes down. He’s going to try and take shelter in the mine he works at with a bunch of people. Former commander’s husband says they’re taking the sub as deep as it can go. Shortly after everyone on Earth is dead they pick up a signal from an X-32. They bring it in and find Non-Hillary Clinton on board. Everyone is pissed because part of the agreement was that no world leaders could put themselves on the evacuation list. She claims the Secret Service did it without her consent. Things go badly pretty much from jump. Pods fail, a debris strike destroys the seed bank, people go crazy. The former president is a pathological manipulator and convinces a bunch of people to steal one of the auxiliary craft and try and go colonize Mars. She doesn’t go, of course. NNDT wants to land the ISS on one of the big moon chunks so they’ll be sheltered from debris but is overruled. Anyway they pick up Non-Elon Musk’s craft coming back with the comet. Everyone on board is dead or dying because the reactor wasn’t shielded properly. A team including NNDT, former commander, and scientist are sent out to retrieve it. Due to orbital mechanics they don’t get back for a year or two. When they do get back they find that everything has really gone to poo poo and most of the cloud is dead. One faction took their pods into a higher orbit and declared themselves independent and they’re still alive but they’re pretty much it except for the ISS crew. Crop failure and cannibalism is rampant. Because people have so much time on their hands they spend a lot of it arguing with each other over the space internet which leads to a lot of real world violence. With the comet back the faction launch an assault on the ISS to try and take it so they can eat the crew and have the water to themselves. Most of them are legless because they ate their legs because you don’t need legs in zero-G. Anyway there’s a fight and almost everyone dies. The only ones left are NNDT, former commander, scientist, cosmonaut, Not-Clinton, Non-Malala, the chief bioscientist lady, and another woman I can’t remember. They take the ISS to the moon chunk and land it there. NNDT succumbs to radiation poisoning he got on the comet retrieval mission. That just leaves the seven women and, fortunately, all the intact artificial insemination and genetic manipulation tools. They have a debate about the future of the human species and what kind of genetic manipulation they will do. They have to do some to make sure their children can survive in space but each future mother has a request. Cosmonaut wants her kids to be STRONG, Not-Malala wants her children to be incapable of violence, stuff like that. They go forward knowing that they’re going to end up creating seven new species of humans. That makes them the Seven Eves (that’s the title of the book!) SMASH CUT TO THE YEAR 5000 The seven human species live in a ring around the Earth. The surface is being prepared for habitation again. The oceans are being refilled with comets, a few plant species are able to be reintroduced, animals are cloned. A team including one of each of the species is assembled and sent to Earth to investigate some strange readings. They find an underground society descended from the miners who took shelter. Later they find a race of water-breathing hominids they theorize are descended from a secret underwater colony. There’s some intrigue with another nation on the planetary ring and one of their group is a spy. In the end they’re optimistic that Earth can be repopulated. This last section is like a third of the book but I honestly don't remember it nearly as well as the "present day" stuff. The End! Moon Slayer fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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Time for some alternate history. In this timeline the Cuban Missile Crisis went hot. The public doesn’t know for sure what happened but the official story is that Kennedy had a mental breakdown in the Situation Room and the generals had to make the call to attack the missile sites. DC and some southeast cities were wiped out. Soviet bombers also hit the outskirts of New York City and some west coast cities. NYC in particular is walled off and officially abandoned due to radiation. In response, the US used almost its entire nuclear arsenal and Russia was pretty much completely wiped off the map. There's basically nothing left east of Danzig. Now it's the mid 1970s. America has devolved into a third-world country, riven by food riots, conscription, violent crackdowns on protesters, and ostracized by the rest of the world due to their disproportionate response against the USSR. George Romney is president and the new capital is in Philadelphia. Everyone knows, however, that former Air Force Chief of Staff Curtis LeMay is the real power. With America and Russia knocked out and China rejecting reforms to try and carry the torch as the only remaining communist power, the UK and a strong Franco-German alliance are the new superpowers. It’s mentioned that the UK has brought Canada and India back into a quasi-colonial relationship again, and the UK influence over the US is growing. It’s also mentioned that Franco-Germany put the first man on the moon a few years prior. Oh yes and there’s also an urban legend that JFK survived and, if you tune in your radio to just the right station at midnight, he makes secret broadcasts. Our hero is a freelance journalist and former Army special forces. He was an “advisor” in South Vietnam when all of this went down and was recalled along with the rest of the US military (he mentioned that North Vietnam rolled over the South a few years later). Anyway like most books I read I remember the setting in a lot more detail than I do the actual plot. He gets tipped off somehow about surviving documents from the White House and goes on a search but secret government hit squads are after him. He’s joined by a young BBC reporter and love interest. There’s some tension about whether she’ll sell him out since she’s British but of course she ends up doing the right thing for love. After some stuff I don’t really remember they talk their way onto a press tour of the NYC ruins. The government is preparing to reopen parts of the city. They notice for some reason that there’s a lot of Canadian and British military personnel there. They run off on their own (I think someone tries to kill them?) and in the subway stumble across a whole underground community of thousands. It’s run by a former NYPD officer and one of the pilots of a Russian bomber that was shot down before it delivered its payload. They say that they were abandoned by the government after the bombing and now they don’t want to admit their mistake. I think the government, with help from the UK, is going to gas them. Our hero is arrested and taken to see General LeMay (retired). He bad-guy monologues for a while about the greater good and then lets our hero go. Our hero then has a few more adventures and finds the cache of documents. It’s the transcript from the Situation Room on October 24th and in it General LeMay disobeys a direct order from the president and orders the bombers to attack the missile sites. In the end these documents are leaked to the press. Shortly after huge groups of people emerge from NYC and other walled-off cities and peacefully march out of the gate. Our hero is revealed to have been a true Kennedy believer and regularly tunes into the midnight broadcasts. The End! “Resurrection Day” (not a zombie novel), and I don’t remember the author’s name. I thought it was pretty okay but I also read it over a decade ago so who knows. EDIT: Oh yes, BBC lady and the protagonist meet in Boston and she has a line about how Boston is trying way too hard to be the new New York City which I'm sure got the author some angry letters. Moon Slayer fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jun 10, 2020 |
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Here’s some more alternate history. I’m actually going to spoiler everything but the setting for this one because I think it’s good enough that people should read it on their own. Fair warning: it’s a book about slavery with a black protaganist written by a white author. It seemed fine to me when I read it but I’m a dumb white person so I did some Googling and the most negative reviews and think pieces I read were just “it’s fine but there are other black authors who have done the same thing” so take from that what you will. Okay, on with the setting: the point of divergence here is that the Crittenden Compromise prevented the Civil War. Basically put this was a series of constitutional ammendments that said Congress would not interfere with slavery in the existing states and territories but any new state admitted to the Union would be free. As such, in modern times slavery is still legal in four states: Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Carolina (North and South Carolina merged in the early 20th century). The Fugitive Slave Act also remains on the books and “slaves” have been rebranded as Persons Bound to Labor. Technically speaking goods made by slavery are illegal in the rest of the US and in the world and there’s some worldbuilding where cotton garments are advertised as being “cruelty free.” But of course companies can’t resist goods made without labor costs so there’s a lot of shady dealings. Also the rest of the world hates this; there’s a historical quote at the start of one chapter by Secretary Kissinger on the occasion of the US withdrawal from the UN, followed by a quote from the British ambassador that’s just “good riddance.” Okay, so the story begins in modern day Indianapolis. Our protagonist is an escaped slave and unwilling CI for a US Marshal. He’s being forced to infiltrate networks that help escaped slaves escape to Canada and if he refuses he’ll be sent back. He tracks down an “escaped slave” and learns that he is actually undercover for a Catholic abolitionist organization trying to expose a company illegally selling slave-made goods. The guy is killed though and our protagonist agrees to go get the information in Alabama. There’s a lot of back and forth whether he’s going to give this information to the abolitionists or use it to get his own personal freedom. Also about three or four different betrayals from people secretly working for the Marshal Service or the abolitionists. He’s teamed up with a white woman who had a child with a slave. She’s coming along to find out what happened to her child’s father. They get into Alabama and through a series of smuggling and sneaking adventures infiltrate the company HQ and get the information. Some exploration is made (but not enough IMO) of what a combination of modern capitalism and chattel slavery would look like. Spoiler: really bad! Brainwashing, implants, and eugenics are just the tip of the iceberg. Also, the information they get reveals that this company is experimenting with genetic manipulation to make slaves that are technically not human to get around what regulations there are about treatment of slaves.. They get out, there’s a shootout between his government handler and the abolitionists, and I can’t remember what actually happens with the information they went through all of this to get or what they find out about the lady's boyfriend. The book ends with protagonist and his lady friend planning to bomb companies that contract with the garment company. “Underground Airlines,” by Ben Winters Moon Slayer fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jun 10, 2020 |
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Somewhere, a few decades ago, a scifi writer whose name escapes me suddenly stopped and thought "has anyone written a sequel to The Time Machine?" Apparently this was a thing that you could just do, idk. (note, I looked it up later and this is apparently the official sequel approved by the Wells estate. Who knew?) The story begins less than 12 hours after the protagonist has returned from the future. He immediately decides that he's going to go back and save his girlfriend from the Morlocks. This time he'll be prepared, though, and arms himself with a fire poker. But when his machine gets going forward things seem different, especially when the sun goes out. He arrives to find that Morlocks rule the world, are intelligent, and have busted up the whole solar system to build a Dyson sphere around the sun. He picks up a Morlock sidekick and heads back in time to stop himself from building the machine in the first place. This is usually the conclusion of a time travel's journey of self discovery, so props for going straight for this solution I guess. Anyway he, his sidekick, and his past self are arguing when a giant World War 1 tank appears on his street and a time-traveling British Army lady officer from the 1930's take them all to her present. World War 1 never ended here because the Germans did some time travel. Due to constant bombing raids all British cities are beneath domes, too. Now they want their own time machine to really Red Alert 3 this war. During a German attack though the dome is breached and the protagonist's younger self is killed. Everyone spends a few minutes trying to figure out what this means. Anyway they escape and end up in dinosaur times. The British follow them and are arresting them again when a German plane shows up and nukes everything. The surviving British build up a settlement. Protagonist and Morlock repair their time machine and start jumping forward. They watch the settlement expand, grow into a huge city, the Earth getting wrecked, and giant ships leaving the planet, all before humans ever technically evolved. Time travel! Anyway they get to somewhere in the future or possibly the past and are taken in by an AI who wants to time travel back to the start of the universe for ... some reason. They build The Time Ships (that's the name of the book!) and start rewinding. Turns out if you go back to the Big Bang you can access all timelines. I guess it's like a junction or something. The AI goes off into one timeline to rule the universe and the protagonist is shot back into his original timeline. He stops to give his younger self the idea to build a time machine and then heads to the future to save his girlfriend from the original book.
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reignofevil posted:I first experienced The Time Machine in a decrepit basement in New York City when a single nerd did a 'live radio show' and he just read the story really hard while colored strobe lights occasionally flashed and by God knowing about this sequel now I can't help but feel like I totally got ripped off. God that sounds totally insufferable.
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These aliens wouldn't happen to be very small, would they?
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Jun 13, 2020 20:51
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Hell yeah, I got that book, the sequel, and a poster of a car at a Scholastic book fair in third grade.
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Pick posted:There's three sequels, actually! Which one was titled "The Search for Snout," please tell me it was book 3.
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I'm a big fan of the "summarize a well-known classic but leave out a key detail" trend, I just wish I was clever enough to pull it off. Frankenstein?
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Barudak posted:It turns out the doctor made an elixir which altered his appearance. Instead of using this for anything appreciable like even just publishing his findings, he used it to commit crimes and get away with them since hed eventually revert back to being the doctor. 
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