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Sindai posted:Man I love chapter 5. When she says "It seems 80 years is a very long time for humans" you know she's sympathizing with Qual in a way. I enjoy the fact that magic defense had to evolve to overcome literal soul destruction but now it's common sense in the present times.
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Huzzah! posted:new chapter 1000 years later and her master still gets to be smug about being right There also looks to be a page missing.
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New chapter. Always remember this advice from Jesus
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Jun 30, 2020 16:35
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So I see where this series might be going, and that leaves at least one more pupil to acquire.
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Jul 15, 2020 14:23
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LibrarianCroaker posted:Today in Frieren we learn: Racism is Right. I was expecting a bit more nuance here, but if the monster manual says Demons are Chaotic Evil I'm not going to complain.
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Aug 18, 2020 20:01
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Shinjobi posted:Yeah it just feels like the demons and humans just don't fundamentally understand one another. I think there could very well be peace they could work towards. We'll see!
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Aug 18, 2020 23:13
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Lurking Haro posted:Lügner means Liar, if it wasn't obvious.  You mean he and Baron Baby-eater aren't on the up and up?
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Aug 18, 2020 23:44
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Carpator Diei posted:That could actually be an interesting concept, but tying it to biological characteristics of a race of sentient beings is frankly horrible and I really hope there'll be some sort of twist to it. As it stands, the demons apparently also use language to communicate with each other, and they have clothing and architecture and everything, so they're obviously not just going through the motions when humans are around; but in my opinion that just makes it worse, since it means they're for all intents and purposes a humanoid race which is inherently evil and manipulative. Not that that's a rare thing in fantasy stories, but this particular portrayal veers dangerously close to antisemitic concepts. That's probably not even intentional (it can easily be read as exploring another aspect of the dissonance between various sentient species with wildly different life cycles), but it might certainly end up carrying some dangerous implications. I'd also want a bit more to be here but if demons are just very advanced mimics that isn't bad either.
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Aug 19, 2020 02:08
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Sometimes it's OK to have monsters be the bad guys with no scruples or ambiguity. Especially in a story where the monsters aren't even the main focus most chapters in it's short run.
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Aug 19, 2020 13:50
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Elephant Parade posted:Not when the morality of those monsters is a focus of even a part of the story, which it now is. Like, before the last chapter monsters were never really characters and never the focus of the work so yeah, it didn't matter. But the focus of this chapter (this arc?) is the nature of monsters, so now it does matter. And if that nature contradicts itself (monsters being sentient yet universally evil is, indeed, a contradiction), then the arc will be considerably weakened as a result. quote:Basically, it's bad for the focus of the work to be incoherent or oversimplistic, and the morality of monsters is now the focus of the work. Elephant Parade posted:to be clear I'm not 100% sure that's the direction the story is going in; it's possible that the ambassador is wrong, and I'm willing to wait another chapter or three to find out
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Aug 19, 2020 20:42
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Elephant Parade posted:Yes, the point has never been the monsters—but now it is. Qual raised questions about human evolution and advancement. The Phantasm raised questions about vulnerability. Unlike those two, the demon ambassador and daughter raise questions about the demons themselves: their morality, outlook on the world, and ability to coexist with humans. And when I say they raise those questions, I'm not even being figurative: the ambassador explicitly talks about the impossibility of coexistence. The morality of the demons is, unlike before, something the manga is clearly trying to explore. quote:Sentience precludes universal, racial evil because it implies an ability to make moral choices, and if the choice made is always "be evil" regardless of personal and environmental circumstances, then it isn't a choice for the species, so they can't make moral choices, so they aren't really "sentient" in a way comparable to humans. The kind of blue-and-orange morality exhibited by the demon daughter, who isn't exactly evil but acts in a completely alien way, is a bit different. I question whether a species utterly dedicated to killing humans (if demons are such a species) can ever be perceived as alien and not simply evil, given that we, the readers, are humans, but it could be interesting to explore. I didn't really touch on alien morality in my reply because it wasn't something you brought up in the post I was replying to.
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Elephant Parade posted:I guess the fundamental issue here is that I object to Always Evil species because, problematic implications aside, it's really boring as a motivator for members of that species. Why did the demon daughter kill that family: as revenge for the killing of her own mother? because the trauma of her introduction to human society and/or the omnipresent judgment of that society made her snap? because, as she said, she really thought it was the just thing to do? Nah, she's just evil/biologically opposed to humanity. "They did it because they are biologically programmed to do it" is the most boring possible answer to any question, and when the manga raises a question (and what did that extended flashback sequence do, if not raise the question?) the answer shouldn't be boring. If the demon ambassador is correct in saying that demons just exist to kill people, then that scene, and the arc built atop it, will have been a massive waste of time for me. Because the purpose of fiction, fantastic fiction included, is to express ideas, and "an evil species that kills other species because they're evil" isn't an interesting idea to me, maybe because it's so totally incoherent in the context of the real world. I misread your 2nd half of the post and all I can say is that while I agree that sapience (I made that mistake as well) can be in conflict with the "always evil" concept, for this story what makes it work for me is that there's more thematic weight on this being about different mindsets which yes is still an answer rooted in biology. The Great mage Flamme gave demons their names and said that their ancestors were more rudimentary in how they hunted. I can assume that over time, whether natural or instigated by magic, these creatures evolved to blur the line between mimickry and actually having human levels of intelligence. They still see and treat humans as prey, they just have far more sophisticated and complicated methods of going about acquiring said prey. No different than if Octopus got a lot more intelligent and started to wage war on humans to secure more fish for their octopus societies. I just don't think the potential final answer here is boring because I'm not invested in whether Demons are a more ambiguous and complicated species. I care more about how Stark and Fern are going to react to this because they are the ones who don't have the same perspective and certainty that Frieran has. Because even in a chapter about how demon's think I'm not actually convinced this is more than just setup for something else. I do get where you are coming from nonetheless. It's certainly happened for me in other stories.
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Aug 19, 2020 22:52
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Keeping with the pattern, the last party member should be someone connected to Himmel and we know he was still not feeling wanton slaughter of demons. Therefore the last party member is the child of the demon lord whom Himmel found and raised in secret.
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Aug 20, 2020 16:28
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I missed this detail on the first pass. And the second, and the third.  . But the wound on the village chief's back would indicate that demons can shapeshift. Because no way that teenage girl a left giant claw marks on her own without magic or a really big hand and shapeshifting would fit with the idea that demons are monsters that mimic humans. Would also explain how Aura the Guillotine and Qual can be members of the same species despite one being as tall as a building and clearly monstrous.
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Aug 21, 2020 04:20
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rannum posted:I chuckled at the demon's big magic killing blow being a magic wire. That's fun. It's a welcome reprieve from the Dragonball beam spam that's been the majority of magic in this series
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Aug 25, 2020 16:44
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Sindai posted:I feel like if the demons are actually a whole species with no empathy who can't understand concepts like family they shouldn't be organized what appears to be more or less along human lines. Interesting thought. They are organized but they don't actually seem to care about each other the same way people do. Qual is the only demon so far in these two instances that showed actual comradarie and I could easily argue given the way the translation is worded he wasn't actually upset at all about the death of the demon king. This chapter, Wire didn't really care about Frieran's taunts even when it included his superior Aura. There's a certain frankness to how demons handle stuff that goes along with how the child from the last chapter was mostly dispassionate and logical in her thought process. It's likely that they form organizations purely because it's necessary for survival and you know, waging wars against another organized group. Young demons are also very dumb because they have no chill or patience.
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One thing I do hope is just a quirk of the writing is how Lugen didn't go into detail about what a father is. Even if he's just pretending he could have offered a one sentence definition to the younger one since he's apparently far more knowledgeable on how to play the human. But he comes across as either just as ignorant as the child from the previous chapter or just flippant although with my intuition pointing towards the former.
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Test Pattern posted:I think your intuition is right, where he mentions his "father," you could easily put literally any family member or position for "father" and it would read the same. At most, he may understand that "son" somehow relates to "father" so he knows to say his father died when a human says their son did. Like Mad-Libs: "I see this [noun] is [adjective], it must be [participle phrase relating to adjective]. My [relation or comrade based on Table 1B]'s [noun] is also very [adjective] he died in [conflict] as well." Yeah, at this point I know demons aren't robots, but this is some chinese room levels of comprehension they have going on for them. This is potentially what I consider less interesting than completely self-aware and intelligent creatures mimicking human qualities. tsob posted:I think "this room is spotless, and speaks to a dedication to honoring your son's memory" requires more than a madlib, and would require some degree of understanding of the behavior that underpins it. Not that that necessarily indicates anything, since it could be the mangaka inserting something for convenience without realizing the implication really.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:But at least this confirms that the demons aren't biological entities, they're some type of mana spirit thing. That explains a lot. The clothes disappearing with the body was interesting. Aura also has to have the strongest arm in the world because she's perpetually holding that scale at just the right angle every single time.
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Sep 1, 2020 21:42
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Frieran is the Saitama of her universe. Except she can teach other people Serious Series moves and make them commonplace.
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Aura introduces the most dastardly demon art yet More dangerous than soul destruction, magic decapitating wire, or blood blades. Big Bank takes Little Bank
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I love a good standoff.
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Sep 22, 2020 17:19
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Master's Technique The fight draws to a close on both fronts it seems. Frieran for all her spartan training did make sure Fern can handle her own. Stark almost went full  but he's too chill like everyone in this series
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Sep 29, 2020 21:44
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Lurking Haro posted:Looking forward to the Nen battles. If Fern eventually gains speeds to rival Netero's 100-Type Bodhisattva this manga would become the best thing I've ever read.
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Oct 6, 2020 20:49
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new chapter and I've seen this setup happen before except it was some japanese kid with a bird in his eye.
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Oct 13, 2020 21:04
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Hell yeah muscle elf!
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Oct 27, 2020 21:57
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Pretty abrupt introduction for a new party member
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Nov 17, 2020 22:34
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That right there, that is prime smug.
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Nov 24, 2020 22:11
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Turns out the group doesn't need a demon or a hero companion. They just needed an adult.
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Dec 3, 2020 00:55
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 This character really is the audience insert character. I'm going to miss him
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Jan 26, 2021 20:50
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I can't imagine having a spell that's range is shorter than the caster's arm is entirely practical. But I'm excited to see how the Team Mimic Bait can pull it off.
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Next chapter of The So that's how she planned to use that spell. Creative and also RIP that one group who died to an antiquated testing system.
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Mar 2, 2021 21:26
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I feel about as old as Frieran that I had to ask my nephew what kind of dance that was. His answer was instantaneous.
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Lurking Haro posted:...Dancing Spiderman? The technical term is 'Orange Justice' but yes. The answer was fortnite.
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Mar 6, 2021 23:24
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I stand corrected then. The dance is called 'The Random' and unfortunately at least 3 of the dance related lawsuits including this one were dropped months after they were filed.
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Mar 7, 2021 04:14
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Who needs fancy tricks when you have overwhelming training in the fundamentals?
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Mar 10, 2021 00:33
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Fern herself is just as limited because she only seems to use the modified version of soul track and the defense spells Frerien taught her. Everyone seems to know how to levitate and the like so the gen-ed spells are learnable.
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Mar 10, 2021 03:11
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Get dunked on Byakuya Kuchiki.
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LibrarianCroaker posted:Oshi no Ko, Chi -Chikyū no Undō ni Tsuite-, Spy x Family, Mizu wa Umi ni Mukatte Nagareru, BL Metamorphosis, Kaiju no 8, Kowloon Generic Romance, Onna no Sono no Hoshi, and Karaoke Iko
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Chapter 43: Privilige
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