FactsAreUseless posted:

I just mean from the perspective of being a mod, in response to that post. That doesn't make the PPJ poo poo okay and I'm still real mad about it. I can't blame anyone for distrusting the mods as a result.

Yinlock posted:

WampaLord posted:

It's frustrating to see this narrative that C-SPAM is just going to keep radicalizing posters until we produce an inevitable bad thing like a spree shooter or something terrible. It's practically impossible to push back against that kind of thing because it's in the hypothetical future and thus exists in a state of always being possible.

This seems to be the main argument used against this subforum, that inevitably we will lead to a big problem for Lowtax. And yet the forum has existed for years now and he hasn't gotten a secret service visit, so shouldn't the benefit of the doubt go our way? Other subforums have actual bodycounts to their name, and I don't say this to drag them, but rather to point out that C-SPAM is not a problem waiting to happen.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

well on the subject of violence and politics and nazis or whatever and so on: first thing is that if you know me, and you know me wampalord, is that i'm about the last person here who would give a drat of respect to anything nazis think or say. i don't think i've ever posted this, but i've had my own blood drawn by people like that on one occasion, and i didn't start getting physical or getting violent, they did (although i say with some measure of pride that they were the ones who ran. i'm not a tough guy but fortunately altright neo-nazis tend to be even dweebier than your average goon, of which i am).

so just wanna be clear about that. but at the same time, i don't think you'll see much of a record of me posting things that could be construed as violent. because honestly violence isn't much fun and it's mostly embarrassing. i've had friends who were in war zones and got into firefights and they remember just making GBS threads their pants and feeling like idiots for having gotten themselves into that situation. now i make an important distinction between abstract "just war" talk, like if i say the U.S. needs a strong military to counter china, i.e. use the threat of violence as a deterrent, well that's just stuff you'll read about in major newspapers and magazines every day. i don't see why talk about "revolution" in the abstract is any different. but if you have some murderporn fantasies that are really getting you animated, you should probably keep those to yourself before the police show up. it's bad junkie energy.

WampaLord posted:

I didn't say this to defend the idea of posting muderporn fantasies, I was just laying out how it's an impossible narrative to push back against because it presumes guilt before anything has happened.

rudecyrus posted:

To seriouspost for a second, I believe there's a concerted effort to get this forum shut down for whatever reason by a contingent of posters who have the ear of those in power and it would suck for that to happen.

Random rear end in a top hat posted:

From the other thread:


I think literally the only way to prevent this is to tell the people complaining about it to shut up once and for all, and the vibe I'm getting is that any mod willing to do that doesn't have the authority to. The people complaining will never shut up about it on their own, precisely because not shutting up is working; it makes C-SPAM 'controversial', even if that controversy is partly (or possibly even largely) artificial, and being stirred up by a relatively small group of people, many of them offsite creeps and bigots.

I mean, godspeed to all of you, you have my deepest sympathies but I think you're fighting a losing battle here. Appeasement doesn't work, no amount of concessions will satisfy them, in fact concessions reward them and will only encourage them to complain more, because they are not arguing in good faith, they just want to see their enemies punished.

LGD posted:

I will say that one concrete thing I genuinely think would help in both the short and long runs is the overdue elevation of C-SPAM to a top-level forum, which addresses a number of issues simultaneously - it provides legitimacy/a concrete sign C-SPAM is here to stay (regardless of any future reforms/moderation changes that may/may not still happen), represents some follow-through from the moderation staff regarding something they had appeared amenable to in the past, it provides useful psychological/organizational separation from D&D, and it soothes all of the OCD feelings re: current forum organization vs. relative popularity

Yinlock posted:

oxsnard posted:

imo that cop who murdered that guy yesterday deserves to be killed, lawfully, by the state after a jury trial

WampaLord posted:

But then certain problem posters start conflating things like calling for the wealthy to no longer exist as murderporn fantasies and then we're all back to square one again.

oxsnard posted:

A mod posted this. In CSPAM

Said mod hangs out in the Goatse + call people "faggots" forum so it's not surprising. This post would get a probe if a non mod posted it

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

imma mod

oxsnard posted:

imo that cop who murdered that guy yesterday deserves to be killed, lawfully, by the state after a jury trial

Endorph posted:

hes right

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

it's bad junkie energy.

rudecyrus posted:

the death penalty should be banned, imo

cop deserves to be locked up for a long time, tho

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

yeah. well i see reports like that get made from time to time and i put those in the trash can. but again, talking about murderporn -- and i'm not saying you have ever posted murderporn -- but that is a problem because it's, like, can we trust that goon to post here? if most goons are uncomfortable with that stuff, and i think most cspam goons are uncomfortable with it, and that threatens to endanger people around us, then that should be subject to intervention. and we've got to able to let poo poo go because this isn't FYAD, this isn't the monetized media engine factory of weird twitter, and no one in the history of the entire internet ever actually cared about BYOB

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

yeah. well i see reports like that get made from time to time and i put those in the trash can. but again, talking about murderporn -- and i'm not saying you have ever posted murderporn -- but that is a problem because it's, like, can we trust that goon to post here? if most goons are uncomfortable with that stuff, and i think most cspam goons are uncomfortable with it, and that threatens to endanger people around us, then that should be subject to intervention. and we've got to able to let poo poo go because this isn't FYAD, this isn't the monetized media engine factory of weird twitter, and no one in the history of the entire internet ever actually cared about BYOB

WampaLord posted:

It's frustrating to see this narrative that C-SPAM is just going to keep radicalizing posters until we produce an inevitable bad thing like a spree shooter or something terrible. It's practically impossible to push back against that kind of thing because it's in the hypothetical future and thus exists in a state of always being possible.

This seems to be the main argument used against this subforum, that inevitably we will lead to a big problem for Lowtax. And yet the forum has existed for years now and he hasn't gotten a secret service visit, so shouldn't the benefit of the doubt go our way? Other subforums have actual bodycounts to their name, and I don't say this to drag them, but rather to point out that C-SPAM is not a problem waiting to happen.

RaySmuckles posted:

the fact that c-spam is not a top level forum, despite being more popular than d&d for years, is proof that its existence is intentionally temporary and vulnerable

someone(s) with influence wants to see us destroyed, or at least ghettoed; and now that the leftist movement has stalled, we're vulnerable, and the attacks have begun in earnest. no more "bernie might win and we'll have been proven right" to protect us

loving sucks, but also is incredibly educational, lol

SKULL.GIF posted:

cspam not being top-level has absolutely zero impact on its likelihood of being deleted, get a grip

RaySmuckles posted:

i disagree

making it top level and legitimizing it with a declaration that "its here to stay and just as legit as all the others" would work wonders for shutting down the vocal minority that wants to see it closed

Accretionist posted:

Boo, it has legitimate uses.

A few days ago, someone posted in-line infant gore in the pics thread.

(They were feeling spicy about the Iraq war.)

RaySmuckles posted:

i disagree

making it top level and legitimizing it with a declaration that "its here to stay and just as legit as all the others" would work wonders for shutting down the vocal minority that wants to see it closed

FactsAreUseless posted:

I agree with this and what you said about it in the other thread. I wish I had been a lot more aggressive in banning and permabanning people. There were a bunch of factors that played into why I didn't, some personal and some structural, and it frustrates me that subsequent mods and admins haven't felt the same way. Or maybe they do and just feel unable to for the same reasons I did, IDK.

Dustcat posted:

fyad was top level, wasn't it?

Dustcat posted:

fyad was top level, wasn't it? didn't do much to shut down the vocal minority of fyads who wanted it closed

Endorph posted:

hes right

Random rear end in a top hat posted:

B) Getting Lowtax a visit from the feds would, uh, not help our case.

Toph Bei Fong posted:

What if, and I'm just brainstorming here, everyone who reported a post, were themselves probated if the report was not judged to be actionable?

Put some force back into the report button. Make people bet their posting ability before pulling that trigger.