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gh0stpinballa posted:remarkable work from people who think nothing of saying entire countries like china or iran are "brutal", "corrupt", "dictatorships", "genocidal shitholes" etc etc. grow up, frankly. grow the hell up. Nobody says this around here, we say their governments are all those things. If someone accidentally says that about the country itself and is corrected they apologise and go 'yeah that's what i meant obviously my bad', you dingus.
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Miftan posted:Nobody says this around here, we say their governments are all those things. If someone accidentally says that about the country itself and is corrected they apologise and go 'yeah that's what i meant obviously my bad', you dingus. owlfancier has referred to china as "a genocidal hellhole" and no correction was forthcoming. anyway nationalism is stupid and doing nationalism but for london is weird as hell lol
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Goldskull posted:I did the tour of Clapham South shelter with all round train expert John Bull off London Reconnections back in 2016. They said they were going to make it a regular tour but I don't think they ever did, was fascinating. They were hiring it out as dry document storage for years, but all the original bedframes are still there that housed the people sheltering, then US Military and later the Windrush generation that came in temporarily until they were housed in the surrounding area. There's still graffiti from the 40s/50s on the walls. Please do, I've missed out on the ballot for the Goodge Street tour every single time (and am ashamed to admit I never even knew they did tours of Clapham South).
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Jose posted:lmao it was all worth it for this Well that was great and a better end result than I anticipated
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gh0stpinballa posted:doing nationalism but for london is weird as hell lol It's not nationalism to say that not everyone in this specific place contribute to the fact that it's main export is misery and are in fact, being exported to.
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Miftan posted:Nobody says this around here, we say their governments are all those things. If someone accidentally says that about the country itself and is corrected they apologise and go 'yeah that's what i meant obviously my bad', you dingus. This. Plus, metonymy is a thing. We might avoid saying "India is corrupt" because it accidentally pulls regular Indian people into the mix, but everyone understands that "Westminster is at it again" means the national government, not the normal inhabitants of the City of Westminster. But we don't then dig ourselves into a bizarre hole claiming that Westminster is only the Houses of Parliament and we can't pretend it's anything else.
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Jose posted:lmao it was all worth it for this
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gh0stpinballa posted:was willing to just accept you have all failed to do the required investigations and reading but I've seen variants of this a couple of times today, and i have to say, i like how it can't be as simple as you all like a certain city and i hurt your feelings when i criticised it. no, that would make you defensive and tribalistic oafs, so it has to be contorted into some grander thing about how i was doing racism to londoners, the most oppressed people in the history of the world, and the factual and accurate posts are actually white noise/trolling because you live in london and therefore there cannot be anything deeply wrong with it. I don't even live in London lol, your gimmick of pretending to be reasonable and logical in the face of all these deranged UKMT posters is pretty pathetic.
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I have never even seen london much less live there and have absolutely zero desire to go there and by all accounts it sounds horrible, but I specifically stopped saying gently caress london because it annoys other posters.
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The very first time someone has actually listened to Times Radio.
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Jose posted:sky deleted that tweet on the poll lol What did it say?
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that corbyn won the times radio best pm we've never had poll. margaret hodge really is a piece of poo poo and no wonder she loving hated corbyn https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-11-20-dame-margaret-hodge-mp-a-very-british-apartheid-profiteer/
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Aug 31, 2020 17:00
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Seems fair, everyone is more passionate about their hobbies than their work.
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My experience is the exact opposite. Lib Dems I know spend all their time fulminating about Labour (either as being too extreme or as being Labservatives and bringing up New Labour poo poo, depending), hardly any bitching about the Tories. Which should give an idea as to where their real politics lie.
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Jose posted:that corbyn won the times radio best pm we've never had poll. My MP, ladies and gents 
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The lib dems spend so much time trying to unseat conservatives that they ran conservative candidates in lab/con marginals last election!
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OwlFancier posted:I have never even seen london much less live there and have absolutely zero desire to go there and by all accounts it sounds horrible, but I specifically stopped saying gently caress london because it annoys other posters. My reaction comes from a couple of places and is definitely an over-reaction but I'll try and explain as best I can where the roots of my reaction to this sort of thing come from. There are (at least 9 million) legit problems with London, but "London is poo poo" (or blanket "London is the cause of problem <x>" arguments), even if they're not consciously from or supporting them, really quickly fall into one of a few pretty common and really nasty traps. The first, which I think we're pretty safe from ITT, is the bog-standard right-wing one - London is probably the most diverse city in the country. Manchester and Birmingham maybe come close, it probably comes down to the exact way you measure "diversity", but this argument isn't about that, it's literally "there's less white/bright red faces than I feel happy with". I hope I don't have to expend any energy explaining why this argument can get to gently caress. The next, and possibly most insidious one in the Left, is the weird belief that living in London is in itself a position of privilege. You can pick any number of reasons to hang this argument on - the most common ones at the moment are around infrastructure spending (despite, outside HS2, no central Government subsidy going to TfL for almost 5 years now, the "London gets 10 times more transport subsidy than anywhere else" argument being based on numbers from 2011 when money was being pissed in for Olympic stuff), but other ones also point at stuff like the higher median wages in London, or the concentration of the media sector, or whatever. There's a centrist/soft-left variant of this - that the naked avarice of Capital is a uniquely London problem, and if weren't for London we'd be back to jolly old factory owners throwing sweeties out of their window to the assembled urchins and scamps. It's the old tone problem again, that capitalism isn't actually the problem, and if only those nasty bankers weren't quite so blatant about what they're up to all the problems would disappear. That Kelly cartoon, but about class instead of race. Both of these rapidly run into a problem that should be a lot more obvious to people on the Left, or at least I'd hope would be - that by saying the problem is London, you're saying the solution is no more London. I've heard lots of variants on this ITT and elsewhere, even (most ridiculously) immediately after the EU referendum. Now quite apart from the blatant stupidity of this argument - you could Fight Club the entirety of the City and Canary Wharf and all of this poo poo *would* happen elsewhere because it's a societal problem, not evil eldritch powers emanating from clay soil - even if it were true, you're still saying "Yeah gently caress it, 9 million people are acceptably collateral damage because gently caress them for living in London". *That's* what I hear when someone says "London only exists to launder money". Its the "only" that I'm objecting to there, because you're claiming that my friends and family, who work as charity workers, hair stylists, computer touchers, cooks, cleaners, and general fuckaround office jobs are exactly as complicit in the rapaciousness of the 21st-century capitalist economy as the people in those massive towers. Of course it's understandable because the unspoken coda to that argument is "...and I, enlightened not-London-dweller, therefore have the cleanest of clean hands". It's an understandable reaction among anyone aware of exactly how the world works, to try and deny that they themselves are also recipients of that privilege - and of course it's something I do when I say "No, you mean the City, not London as a whole". In conclusion we come back to the thing I was saying before being so rudely interrupted - the problem is not London, the problem is capitalism, and pretending otherwise is at best lazy and at worst actually dangerously misguided.
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It's a bit The City & the City in that there is a whole lot of stuff specifically built to privilege those who live and/or work in London, but with poor doors and hostile architecture and gated access areas it's very much but not those people that live in London. (And those things all exist elsewhere, but it's no surprise that the largest city has more of them and more attention paid to them.)
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Most Londoners can't seem to imagine intelligent life existing beyond the borders of TfL's realm, whereas most of the rest of the country would rather gnaw off their own arm than have to live in London, so I have to conclude that everyone is more or less where they are meant to be and we live in the most perfect of all possible worlds.
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It's a game you can play with almost every geopolitical entity though. Was the South Africa of the 80s "a fascist murder state run by racists" as many outside anti-apartheid activists would have it, or was it "a beautiful country run according to some very non-beautiful principles" as Desmond Tutu and many Black activists within the country would have it? Depends whether you're putting the emphasis on the geo or the political. Same with the terrible-for-Jeremy-Corbyn question of whether Israel has the right to exist. Depends on which Israel you're talking about. Doesn't help that in all cases above (London included) there's a bunch of fascist smoothbrains making similar points for disingenuous reasons. e: Also geopolitical is now pronounced like geoduck. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Please do, I've missed out on the ballot for the Goodge Street tour every single time (and am ashamed to admit I never even knew they did tours of Clapham South). https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z5z3u04mda8xxcp/AAAgMAV_Zu2CYapppEi2AkxKa?dl=0 Imgur was being crap, but regale in my amazing cameraphone photography here.
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Great fans she's got https://twitter.com/sineadactually/status/1300178171418021890?s=19
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I can't even make out half of what she's saying, other than I guess going for the "women are oppressed on the basis of biology alone" poo poo. What signs did she bring?Goldskull posted:https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z5z3u04mda8xxcp/AAAgMAV_Zu2CYapppEi2AkxKa?dl=0
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There's a Pink News story about the confrontation herequote:According to clips on social media, those present include include the activist Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, known online as Posie Parker – who has previously appeared alongside white nationalist YouTubers. quote:As one of the Black Lives Matter protesters patiently attempts to speak to the activists about oppression, she is repeatedly interrupted and told to “shut up” and, bizarrely, to “go wash your dick”. quote:One (MumsNet) user insisted that Black Lives Matter “is founded on anti-democratic principles [and] its support of ‘genderism’ is the least of what is wrong with it.”
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Goldskull posted:https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z5z3u04mda8xxcp/AAAgMAV_Zu2CYapppEi2AkxKa?dl=0 It's probably just as well I've not been down there because the temptation to nick one of those Bakelite phones would have been overwhelming
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Jollity Farm posted:There's a Pink News story about the confrontation here quote:The videos of the exchange at Speaker’s Corner appear to show Keen-Minshull telling the female Black Lives Matter protesters that they are “misogynists” who “can’t even understand what a woman is” I wonder if she knows what a woman is, beyond some adult human female cliché.
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Me, it's me, I am King Woman, everyone else is doing it wrong.
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OwlFancier posted:Me, it's me, I am King Woman, everyone else is doing it wrong.  queen
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I'm gonna need a lot more info than that article gives, lol. If nothing else... how did the chase go? How did they get on board? Were cutlasses involved at all? e: Also "Joseph Hawkridge" is a pro-tier pirate name
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Jose posted:lmao it was all worth it for this  Loooool
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If you want to say that London is poo poo, and you wouldn’t live there, and you don’t like people there, well, whatever. I’m not going to give up my right to slag off other parts of the country (lol Middlesbrough), so fine. But if you want to suggest that London as a whole is some kind of right-wing bastion of fat cat plutocrats, then you can go gently caress yourself. That is a direct insult to the many millions of people who live here in financial precarity as bad or worse than anywhere else in the country. And also, they are the most reliably left wing voters anywhere. To act like London is blissfully unaware of the real concerns of the working man, unlike the North or wherever, after the last election is a total loving joke.
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Comrade Fakename posted:(lol Middlesbrough) I don't recommend it because it has the same energy as yelling at turds on the pavement.
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Jose posted:this is extremely grim oh hey it's terry dicks, who you might remember from such hits as quote:TERRY Dicks, right-wing Tory MP for Hayes and Harlington, who supported the secret flogging of a Briton in a Qatar jail, had two expenses-paid trips to the Middle East emirate last year. Mr Dicks, who also excused the hanging of Observer journalist Farzad Bazoft by Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq in 1990, took an all-party delegation of MPs for a week-long visit to Qatar last September.  he died last year, and rather than lead with any of the above, or the time he said of a somali refugee family buying water in a supermarket 'where they come from they're happy to drink out of puddles', or when he learned that nelson mandela would be visiting london but refusing to meet with thatcher and reacted with 'how long will the prime minister allow herself to be kicked in the face by this black terrorist?', the papers all led off their obituaries by recounting what a bold provocateur he was, here's the Graun's for example 
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If that's what he got from the man on the street, I think we have a solution to the London/London problem. West London is poo poo.
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