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CelestialScribe posted:The main response to that is, “cops don’t help you now anyway”. Which is usually true. But I don’t think that answer is really going to persuade people. This is pretty fat statement. You can think of the Bataclan Theater, or Utoya shooting for foreign instances where armed response stops the the threat from existing, and countless examples from the US. We’re all ACAB here, but to say they usually don’t help if some mad lad is shooting is pretty false. Yeah sometimes they make it worse, and sometimes response could be better. UnknownTarget posted:What it comes down to is "what happens when there's an active shooter or threat on my life". That's what gets people hung up. So I think any discussion of abolition should really lead with that to get doubters on board. This is definitely a good idea. It’s what people usually imagine ”the police” is for, so it gets the wrinkle out of the way right off the bat, then proceeds to the core message of fundamentally changing what we think of as law enforcement and social work. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jun 8, 2020 |
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The Police Service of Northern Ireland is a good example, too. Simply even dismantling a police department and redoing it with ”same, but like, better” has significant benefits. RUC, Royal Ulster Constabulary of Northern Ireland was pretty poo poo until late nineties. Eventually after reforms even the radical Sinn Fein party supports it, and PSNI enjoys pretty high satisfaction in Northern loving Ireland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_Service_of_Northern_Ireland The PSNI was initially legally obliged to operate an affirmative action policy of recruiting 50% of its trainee officers from a Catholic background and 50% from a non-Catholic background, as recommended by the Patten Report, in order to address the under-representation of Catholics that had existed for many decades in policing; in 2001 the RUC was almost 92% Protestant.
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silence_kit posted:a.k.a. police We can honestly call them whatever, even Police, I don't really care. Immense transformation of the system is needed, not some branding effort of their name. Plus, I do think that getting a lot of the services of the Defund movement under the same roof would be efficient and a good approach to public safety, and then we'd basically have "A police department, but like, gently caress ton better" at some point with four year degrees focused on it and immense training and accountability and what not. However, that's after we smash the current system to pieces, build individual professions up, fix society's hosed up views, and we'll maybe check back into creating the umbrella department like three decades from now. I do have to say that where I disagree with the more recent messaging is the "Police are only a couple hundred year old institution". Yeah well no poo poo, it wans't that long ago where the affairs of the rich and famous were not the business of anyone. The City Guard made sure poor people didn’t fight each other on the streets, or steal poo poo from the market, but they couldn't do poo poo about rich dudes fighting poor people, for example. Even more so, the mere idea that some public service is INVESTIGATING the affairs of the rich, or their crimes, was outright preposterous and almost unspeakable. For all its ill, modern law enforcement will prevent a mass shooter who is rich, and will at least most of the time investigate child porn or serial killers, even if they are the society's cream. That's why the modern concept of Police is pretty fresh. Investigating crimes wasn’t important, and the rich could literally hit peasants with swords and nobody could do anything about it. The first true police department, the Metropolitan Police in Britain, was remarkable in many ways. The founding principles of: "Every police officer should be issued a warrant card with a unique identification number to assure accountability for his actions. Whether the police are effective is not measured on the number of arrests but on the deterrence of crime. Above all else, an effective authority figure knows trust and accountability are paramount. Hence, Peel's most often quoted principle that "The police are the public and the public are the police."" These were basically not only unheard of as concepts, but rigidly opposed, and a lot of people resisted the efforts of the Met to investigate crimes connected to the elite, something that largely wasn't done at that scale or efficiency before. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Jun 8, 2020 |
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I think we do need a reform initiative in addition to abolishing ideas. Simply because I don't think abolishing is in the near future, and incremental change serves a purpose, too.
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Would youTurtle Sandbox posted:The police need a substantial amount of their power stripped away. Thanks for your input. Where does someone disagree? Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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Quite honestly I feel like you might live on a neighborhood thah is really nice. People punch and shoot each other for noise complaints.
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Let me just somewhat boost my old country: "Use of force training doesn't begin in Finland until four months into the curriculum, when a Minneapolis police rookie would already be awarded their badge and gun. Before that, students learn about "legislation, criminal law, human rights, and other backgrounds," said Rikander." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-training-weeks-united-states/ In Finland, policing is a three year degree that includes mental health studies, social work, and other similar topics.
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Jon Stewart is a massive influence for many people to pay attention to politics. He doesn’t pass 100 percent purity test, but you show me mainstream pundits with lines as scathing as this: ”They’re not a rogue alien organization that came down to torment the black community. They’re enforcing segregation. Segregation is legally over, but it never ended. The police are, in some respects, a border patrol, and they patrol the border between the two Americas. We have that so that the rest of us don’t have to deal with it. Then that situation erupts, and we express our shock and indignation. But if we don’t address the anguish of a people, the pain of being a people who built this country through forced labor — people say, ‘‘I’m tired of everything being about race.’’ Well, imagine how [expletive] exhausting it is to live that.”
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Still Dismal posted:We aren’t unique in that regard either. There are Latin American countries whose development was pretty profoundly shaped by slavery. Brazil received more slaves than any other country, and they abolished slavery later. Brazilian police are, to put it very mildly, somewhat violent as well. While modern law enforcement is similar in broader aspects in many countries, their origins definitely have started differently. As mentioned in this thread before, the Metropolitan Police Service in Britain formed as a counter-balance to local sheriffs and councilmen and private patrols and various roving bands of street justice, as for example opposed to the Sheriff's departments of the American South, which had slavery adjacent origins in many places. Before the passing of the Metropolitan Police Act 1829, law enforcement among the general population in England was carried out by unpaid parish constables who were elected, and later appointed by the local justice of the peace. In certain circumstances, such as serious public disorder, they would use the Army. The system was pretty loving lovely, and in most parts of the country, a wack system of whatever someone felt like. There is other cool stuff there, which I feel like is necessary for American Policing moving forward before full abolishment is achieved, such as Firearms being rare, and only with authorization. "The authorisation was issued on the condition that revolvers would only be issued if, in the opinion of the senior officer, the officer could be trusted to use it safely and with discretion. From then, officers could be armed", in the 1840s.
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If the cops can’t go, the fire department won’t go either into a situation with unknown shooters. Holy poo poo what whining, it’s the reality of it. The fire medics have zero interest in going somewhere where people are getting shot, and no one has any clue what is happening. They could have brought the person to the ambulance, though. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Jun 21, 2020 |
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One thing that sometimes I think some people forget in this thread and around this topic is that despite ACAB; and despite us needing to defund the police, and despite cops having no accountability, and despite cops not being able to stop all poo poo, the absolute loving majority of a work shift in the life of an average medium sized american police officer is so terrifyingly boring and mundane, and includes very little of the deeper problems that we discuss here, and I'd imagine most goon cops could attest to that. The last shift of a friend was 12 hours, and consisted of checking up on two different houses and if they had secured trash pickup for their furniture they left outside. After that, it was walking back and forth a crash scene from a week ago, trying to see if some new evidence or missing parts could be found, done on a "if time"-basis. Rest of the shift was spent driving homeless people to a local shelter. There was 0 percent of shooting of minorities, and very little engagement with the public, outside of being a taxi to the shelter. What I'm trying to get at is that please don't get lost in the sauce of thinking that THREAT OF GUNS AND VIOLENCE is what terminates noise complaints every day all around America. In reality, it's just driving past a house and saying from the window "neighbors are complaining, end the party/fireworks, please", and then it ends. Or ending a house party by asking. Problem is that when it gets into state violence, or lovely enforcement, or you know, the whole beating and shooting, there's no accountability, and the blue line protects the poo poo. But let's just keep some ratios of Hours spent filling paperwork vs beating black dudes on an average day in mind. Near my old house the police collected random ducks around the city and would drive them to the duck pond next to my house, and do other animal welfare related tasks on the side. There's a poo poo ton of small-to-medium sized american police departments where ancillary duties that range from "processing permits" to "animal welfare" to "city janitor" take majority of the day. As to why they have loving sworn officers with guns doing all that is the discussion we have here. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jun 22, 2020 |
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ElCondemn posted:Exactly, why are people focusing on the edge cases when the vast majority of the job does not require threats of violence with deadly weapons. We can still do parking enforcement even without someone with a gun writing the ticket, why do people act like these same people need to respond to real threats to public safety? I agree, but the ones who are saddled with all that "asking them to stop being loud" and "checking on the horse permits of the carriages" currently are the Police. If not the Dudes With Guns, it should still be some other government enforcement arm that does that. I don't see a society where some inherent social duty will fill that void on its own, and to me it sounds bit too much like the Invisible Hand.
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I doubt most goons who could do something about would watch Chauvin burn into his cop car during an accident, even if they’d knew what he has done. People want to do good, and be good. Helpong lovely people avoid violence or accidents is still objectively good.
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ACAB is about the institution. A lot of people seem to havr a hard time with it because they read it as Every Single Cop Is Hitler. No. I personally know some very decent cops. That isn’t the point. Point is that being professional and not-poo poo isn’t some achievement, it is the goddamn bare minimum, and the institution is still flawed as gently caress and ACAB.
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That’s exactly what I was trying to say. I even ended with ACAB. I think the way some above posters started typing is exactly the reason what I pointed out as to why it is hard to penetrate some people’s skulls on it. You have to make the argument about the institution, because not every cop is a Hitler. People will always have cops they have good or very good interactions with. A close friend of mine simply will not get on the ACAB train because her life was fundamentally saved and changed by couple cops being really awesome when she was a victim of abuse. That doesn’t mean those cops aren’t bastards. There’s still no point in talking to her because she won’t engage it. That’s why some other people return with that, too. Their family member is a cop, or their good friend, or heck, it’s one of the goon cops here on discord or forums. The institution is what makes the ACAB and the person in itself matters less, even if their intentions are better, or their mannerism is good, or if they have issues with their own employment. Like poster above, at best a good cop is a cog in the machine, and while he doesn’t increase the abuse, he can’t do anything to lessen it, and becomes a faceless stormtrooper. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Sep 12, 2020 |
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I genuinely believe that very strong accountability and prosecution accuracy would solve most law enforcement issues after we get away from the beat police attempting to enforce minor rules. There’s no non-stop collision path, and fuckery is swiftly dealt with.
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ElCondemn posted:I'm sure there are lots of ways to do it, but no elected officials are proposing anything to fix the situation. The states that are attempting to do something are doing the bare minimum and aren't having much success. There is currently no political will to hold police accountable despite over 100 days of protests and riots. While we definitely should defund the police and move the money elsewhere, what you said is fairly uniquely american out of western countries. While cops aren't without their issues in other countries, this wanton disregard is pretty drat american where you can do whatever the gently caress you want and no repercussions will ever happen, and people will crawl to lick your boots. Including the body count, which is wack compared to other countries. Europe is at 550 million people, with US at 310, and hoooo boy do the numbers not match up on deaths. Americans absolutely love police violence. There is far less bootlicking in Europe, but so is there less blind troop worship. The police and thin blue line and all the wacky cop shows come from the US. Lots of police shows produced in Europe are very cut and dry "A government employee solves puzzling crimes, never smiles". For example, an extremely long running swedish police movie series called Beck never saw the titular character even draw his weapon. Beck was never seen with his weapon, but he was seen a couple times politely asking a suspect to come with him. He never drove fast, he never romanced women. While it is pop culture, I do think it shows fundamental differences in how people view police. It also had one episode where one of Beck's detectives tries to help a fellow officer in a bad fight and shoots one of the perps in the thigh, and still has to work against significant paperwork and frowning.
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Also police power reduction, or increase of accountability, can be just like the political bus. We take the one going to the right direction, the end doesn’t have to be mapped out and every step doesn’t have to be planned.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:The problem is systemic. At the end of the day, wealthy people are going to need violence to protect “their” property from the needs of the many. Landlords will require violence to evict a tenant. Banks will require violence in order to force people out of their houses. Stores require violence to stop the hungry from eating. At the end of the day, inequality MUST be forced upon a populace especially a desperate one, and capitalism is a system that not only necessitates inequality but whose sole focus is to create as wide a gap as possible. Yes, but this is then a discussion of capitalism, the marketplace, private property, and the fundamental forms of government. Law enforcement is part of all that, and governmental force has to exist in all forms of government, I believe. However, let's just take an example of Norway or Finland. The police very rarely, if ever, kill people. There are few isolated cases of police brutality, that are viewed very negatively, and people do not really go hungry, and don't end up homeless minus some few expections. The law enforcement in this case is not fundamentally dissimilar to the US, it just exists in a society that has far less of the negative qualities you describe, and it also has increased accountability for the enforcers.
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https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2020/09/23/tennessee-state-trooper-ripping-mask-protester-refuted-video-evidence/3502692001/ ”A former Tennessee state trooper’s insistence that he never yanked the mask off a protester near the state Capitol has been refuted by surveillance footage and an eyewitness account from a fellow law enforcement officer, state records show.
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Yuzenn posted:The police ARE a white nationalist institution, all of that thin blue line dog whistling is the same messaging as confederate flags, "don't tread on me" symbols, etc. Disagree. Police are a tool of the elite and the capital. The white nationalism is just part of american capital, and not in itself connected to the police.
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A cop in westminister decided to punch a handcuffed woman on camera. While ACAB, are they all loving dumb too? You’d think that even the dimmer one would take it easy for a few days after Chauvin trial due to public sentiment. I guess just if you always treat people like poo poo, it’s a hard habit to break. https://www.foxla.com/video/925021
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:This story is twenty years old, but there is precedent for police being screened out for scoring too high on intelligence tests. While fair to call them dumb, this precedent isn’t necessary ”cop dumb” because lots of cities have pretty high educational standards and pick smarter ones, they’re just still nazis. This particular case is pretty fair because the citt had issues with people getting hired as cops to get public pay before training, then bolting to other employment after some time with their education and such, basically just using it as a holding pattern. The city is justified in screening out those people. Same poo poo occasionally in fire service, if you got a dude who has two master’s degrees in engineering and is there ”to see where it takes me” because he just got fired or something, when it’s clear he just needs pay and bennies until he’s out of the town. This court case is trotted out as some universal US policy, while it’s evidently a rare case.
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A lot of law enforcement is hosed up, but municipal police, and county sheriff’s are often the most hosed up, and probably the cause of most police violence and oppression. Something like Postal Inspectors as federal agents are constitutionally mandated. We aren’t abolishing them, and probably not the mainstay federal agencies either like FBI. And I’d say they are pretty reformable, and already ”not as bad”. Lot of the federal agencies are also something voting and progressive politicians have the most control over, as does executive appointment of directors. Local cops are often mired in old white people local politics, or greasy mayors like NYC. Sheriffs are also conservative by design due to rural vote, and have too much power. Municipal cops and sheriffs? They gotta go. Then we start looking at state polices. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Apr 28, 2021 |
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Jaxyon posted:FBI has a very long history of white supremacy as well, but I realize that's going to be harder to abolish than local police. It does, no denying. But reversing that course is also a lot easier due to executive power, and the congress. In addition, their high education requirements mean their agents are more professional and career oriented people that you can reform, because the good old boy network is harder to keep up due to civil service laws.
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OwlFancier posted:Reminds me also of the occasional UK stabbing spree that ends with the public wrestling the guy down and then the cops show up to shoot him in the head after the public have already done the work. https://www.statista.com/statistics/319246/police-fatal-shootings-england-wales/ In 2020/21 the police in England and Wales fatally shot one person, compared with three in the previous reporting year, and six in 2016/17. "Police In England And Wales Went Two Years Without Fatally Shooting Someone" https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/police-in-england-and-wales-went-two-years-without-fatally-shooting-someone/ There's some fatal shootings were it's not clear at all if the person shot was a direct danger at that time, like Anthony Grainger or Mark Duggan or Sean Fitzgerald (these three are by the way last ten years, as an example, not last three months). So unless you refer to the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, in 2005, or you think "shooting a suspected man with bomb belt running towards civilians after a stabbing spree" by the plain clothes cop on London Bridge as "showing up to shoot him in the head" I do not know what you are referring to. British cops are equally bastards, but what you are saying is so far off the hinge of reality, and even a far fetched attempt at comparing any european police service with your american one is ignoring the problem that the problem isn't purely "a cop" problem, it is "an american cop problem". The US has a population four times higher than the UK, and this comparison above already shows how loving off any comparison these countries are. Darrel Wilson shot at Mike Brown with twelve bullets. That's more _bullets_ than Finnish police fired in the same year, on year that incluced a SWAT team in a shootout with Hells Angels. So yeah, ACAB, but this is an american issue at its core. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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The other huge glaring issue which seems uniquely american is the fractal nature of law enforcement. 15,217 is the population of Uvalde, and it has loving SWAT teams, I mean "SWAT teams", and school cops and what the gently caress not. Who does this agency hold itself accountable to? loving no one besides the city council. That's all. It gets even worse elsewhere, with towns of 3000 people having a Police Chief, a Police Lieutenant, and one part time cop. They literally are accountable to one mayor who is also their cousin. Uvalde's cops just mooch money by hundreds of thousands, but ultimately it is just a few loving losers with humongous budgets, 100k in overtime pay, and no actual standards to hold on to. It's not like it would improve every issue, but having a state police agency or a federal one that always has someone higher to accountable would probably get rid of something like this where losers play SWAT-team with no actual accountability. Just as an example, if the HRT of FBI would fail its fundamental task, I'd imagine it would get reamed to hell and back with the endless amount of bureaucrats above it. But with Uvalde, and so many other cases, there's no one above them. And I'll admit when I first heard the news that they're preventing people from going in, and taking a moment outside, I thought they were doing what they're supposed to. But I was wrong as hell, instead they literally just camped outside and this wasn't a thing that happened in the course of a few minutes, but almost an hour. And crazy too that the Border Patrol Agents weren't even officially called to the scene, but parents of kids. I can't believe that loving Border Patrol agents organized a better assault team in their jeans and off-duty pistols than this loving "SWAT team".
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Hamelekim posted:That's why they moved so fast on this. If they were white it would have been a different story. I'm just guessing, but there is a pattern of this sort of thing happening where coloured cops are treated worse than white cops. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond is a great example. Pretty blonde white lady gets blapped and dude gets reamed.
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The downside here is that it isn’t a bug, it is a feature. Law enforcement being municipal and the way legislation and authority works, there’s really no recourse here. The town may do that. Your recourse is voting the mayour or council out (lmao). This is why somewhat similar rackets are basically gone from most of Europe. Law enforcement isn’t a municipal issue anymore that the town can do with as they please.
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There's released video of Jadarrius Rose getting mauled by the police dog in Ohio. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66296988 quote:Ohio authorities are investigating an incident in which a police officer released a dog on a black truck driver who was trying to surrender. The video is, once again, somehow even worse. The State Troopers even decry it on the video, blaming the cop for being cruel, timestamped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF-iz4cgDuw&t=263s
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They are not the same cop. That is misleading, the cop who drove over her is named Kevin Dave. The guy on that video laughing is Daniel Auderer, vice president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild. He is calling the SPOG President, Mike Solan, and they both laugh. Dave himself does render aid to the pedestrian and does not seem to lie about circumstances in the police camera footage. He tells that the pedestrian is in the crosswalk, and he basically recounts it happening the way it happens. The union guy is trying to lie about it. The video of the accident itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5r5NZxX6zQ&t=250s Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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OgNar posted:Yeah looks like I skimmed right over that. No, the Twitter account is sadly peddling mis-info. Sucks because he's getting told this in comments and he seems to be saying "idgaf", which is not a good look.
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Nucleic Acids posted:He is just as evil as the officer who hit her. I don’t give a gently caress. Purposeful misinformation is gross and should not be met with a shoulder shrug. The guy in that tweet has a lot of pull and he already got told in comments and still keeps that story because it sounds better. I like to associate with people who do not think that it’s fine to blatantly lie despite knowing better, especially with something like assigning the callouss phone call to the cop who drove over just because you think ACAB. We don’t have to invent bullshit to get enough material to criticize pigs. It’s like Marie Mott’s traffic stop. I gave money to a person who championed good causes and I was mad when she was mistreated by cops for it. Except she lied about every single event in the body cam footage and kept peddling those lies to fundraise. gently caress that. We shouldn’t tolerate liars and mis- or hell, disinformation. It hosed up organizing in Chattanooga for others too, and made people wary of cooperating with her for ICANTBREATHECHA Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Sep 14, 2023 |
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It most certainly isn't a fair. But it's probably a dilemma of sorts, too. We ultimately wish to encourage deference and cordiality in the court room and we tend to reward it, lot of the time, with lesser sentences and even various mitigations or suspensions of punishments. I'm not saying that it is the right thing to hit the hammer on these people when they act out, but we should still somehow encourage the court process to be a place where the defendant does act properly. Ideally the judge would be able to de-escalate and recognize that the defendant is either being A: an rear end in a top hat, or B: not fully responsible for their actions, and act accordingly. Like we don't, in the ideal world, want to have regular people throw absolute poo poo fits and lash out at cops either, but we also don't want to penalize those who can't control their actions, or are not fully in control of their emotions due to circumstance or traumatic event or something.
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The Lone Badger posted:We organise police forces at the state level. There is exactly one police force per state*. This has two major advantages Imagine the town my wife is from in the Deep South. 3500 residents, huge geographical footprint, but the downtown is tiny. 50 cops. FIFTY. These cops answer to the police chief. Who answers to the mayor. They're mostly related and deep within the power structure. That's it! There's no higher authority, there's no one to appeal to or complain to. Anyone you could complain about the cops to knows all the cops and likes them. There's essentially no remedy, because even if the cop does something illegal, who will prosecute? No one. It certainly isn't the end-all solution, but lot of America's issues are the fact that due to law enforcement being a local municipal issue, there's no higher authority to go to who isn't already in bed with the local cops. It's already somewhat better with the State Police where the person who will ultimately decide what to do with a lovely cop does not know who the cop is, does not answer to anyone near the cop, and probably lives 500 miles away.
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