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Community policing has its benefits but as was pointed out in the USPol thread, plenty of India has community policing (mainly for lack of resources) and that is not a great system - it soon becomes its own power structure within the community. Police should be from within the community they are policing but strongly oversighted and resourced from outside the community. I think there probably needs to be permanent police from the community and also rotating police cycling through the areas to provide fresh eyes and outside influence. Going to do more reading from the OP.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-25/property-crime-rates-reduce-gold-coast-queensland/102263798 This is not strong enough as it doesn't abolish the police but it is an interesting article on effective policing. And who woulda thunk it that policing goes beyond turning up with M16s and an attitude of superiority/being under siege? For the record, police in QLD are also pretty much banned from high speed chases altogether and have been for a decade or more. They don't happen with any regularity because high speed chases are useless except maybe twice a year for the entire state. QLD had a single fatality from a high speed chase (the cop stopped the chase within a few hundred meters, the runaway crashed a few km later) in the same time the state of Victoria was ratcheting up a few deaths (offenders, police and bystanders) every year.
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Vahakyla posted:I don’t give a gently caress. Purposeful misinformation is gross and should not be met with a shoulder shrug. The guy in that tweet has a lot of pull and he already got told in comments and still keeps that story because it sounds better. Totally on board with this. Most of the reason the cops are as hosed as they are is precisely because that they are continually allowed to act outside reasonable action because "who cares about due process if the bad guys get it". If cops follow due process and the process is evidence based best practice, it will reduce poor outcomes and protect the police. For eg, in QLD, Australia, over a decade ago after police researched outcomes from high speed chases decided to pretty much ban them. Someone books it away from the police in their car? Cops turn off their lights and cease pursuit (follow up later by visiting the address, etc). Outcome was that QLD went from a few fatalities every year (something like 60:30:10 for chasee: innocent bystander: chaser ratio of deaths) to the first one in over decade a few years ago. There was no increase in crime over the same time period relating to people thinking they could just drive away and get out of it. So the death that happened was along the lines of a police car saw something odd, turned on lights and turned around to pull over a car, the car raced off around a corner and disappeared, the police car turned off its lights as per procedure, then a few minutes later a call come through that the car in question had crashed and killed the driver. The cop was pulled into an inquiry because it was deemed a death associated with police action and felt a bit of sympathy for the cop to be grilled up the waazoo about their part. I have absolutely no sympathy for American cops hurting themselves doing high speed pursuits or getting bit by their own dogs that they sicced onto "the perp' etc. Tribal acceptance of poo poo heads in your own "team" is how the Aussie SAS got to shooting children for fun or civilians when it was more convenient than not in Afghanistan.
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Ravenfood posted:Because you betrayed the public trust, rear end in a top hat. You were given a position of authority over people's lives and used that authority to commit crimes. Also the expectation in Australia is that police officers have been professionally trained in de-escalation and dealing with stress. So if you lose your cool and punch some fellow in the face, that is worse than joe public that is not trained in the same way.
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