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Elmnt80 posted:But thats where the issue lies. In north america its a slur, in Australia/UK/NZ its generally not. Like I've said, sure, I'm usually going to be able to understand the context. But is a new poster? They don't know you're an aussie/brit/kiwi/etc, odds are they're american/canadian and get the wrong impression of the forum in general. Ask us to not use it in the "generic traffic" areas for the benefit of American sensibilities, and knock off any "this word is inherently misogynistic" bollocks, and I suspect we're all probably ok to go along with that for the good of the forum. It's picking a direct fight over linguistics with us when it's our own language, and the undertone that we hate women for daring to use it that's effectively starting some poo poo here. Plus accept that because it's relatively natural language for us, like a high-cut pair of shorts, occasionally something might slip out that you'd rather not see. We don't mean anything by it, and we expect you to be intelligent enough to disseminate "I've had a oval office of a day" from yelling "Oi! Cuntflaps!" across the room at the new girl.
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angryrobots posted:I also vote to change the rules thread title to "Don't be an arsehat" Or, per the line from Hot Fuzz, "don't go being a twat now". And yes, from experience, you can instruct that as a baseline rule for behaviour to 1000+ people at an event in the UK and have the only reaction be them applaud you for it.
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look i get that there are cultural differences but from this side the non-NA position appears to be "gently caress you we'll do what we want" which is like, fine? i guess? but you all don't really seem to be making any earnest attempt to understand why random people wandering in to this forum who aren't part of your culture might find it off putting
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InitialDave posted:We just say "arse", the "hat" only flows well with "asshat". I could have sworn there was an AU goon who used that phrase! KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:look i get that there are cultural differences but from this side the non-NA position appears to be "gently caress you we'll do what we want" which is like, fine? i guess? but you all don't really seem to be making any earnest attempt to understand why random people wandering in to this forum who aren't part of your culture might find it off putting I'm guessing it's hard for posters in other countries to get over "The Americans yet again demand special exceptions from us". The request, despite it's good intent, is tainted by the stigma that we have earned by a long history of being Americans. If I read that wrong, sorry in advance.
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Yeah I get that I just find it hilarious coming from British people especially.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Yeah I get that I just find it hilarious coming from British people especially. Why?
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Krakkles posted:You’re joking, right? No, please explain
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fridge corn posted:No, please explain
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fridge corn posted:No, please explain Krakkles posted:oh, man, comedy classic. angryrobots must be rotflmao wow.... Made this thread worth reading.
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rdb posted:wow.... Made this thread worth reading.
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Krakkles posted:You’re right, and i should be better than that. I assumed that fridge corn was doing his bit where “he makes some of y’all froth at the mouth”, but maybe he actually is totally unaware of British imperialism. I am quite aware of british imperialism however I was not aware that every british person is apparently responsible for it
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Has anyone ever said it on MCM? I think Al may have once way back but I might be misemembering. Sure makes a difference in approachability for them.
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fridge corn posted:I am quite aware of british imperialism however I was not aware that every british person is apparently responsible for it NumbersMatching320 posted:Has anyone ever said it on MCM? I think Al may have once way back but I might be misemembering. Sure makes a difference in approachability for them. I agree.
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Krakkles posted:But every US citizen is responsible for that thing that started this? No, I was under the assumption that angryrobots original comment was referring to Americans tendency to be aggressively ignorant of everything that goes on outside of america
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fridge corn posted:No, I was under the assumption that angryrobots original comment was referring to Americans tendency to be aggressively ignorant of everything that goes on outside of america
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Krakkles posted:And KYOON’s comment was about the British tendency to force their culture on other cultures, yes. not saying americans don't do that either mind you
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fridge corn posted:No, I was under the assumption that angryrobots original comment was referring to Americans tendency to be aggressively ignorant of everything that goes on outside of america lol you can very easily replace this with britons and the uk
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:not saying americans don't do that either mind you stevobob posted:every culture is equally worthless
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Krakkles posted:And KYOON’s comment was about the British tendency to force their culture on other cultures, yes. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh Looooooooooooooooord stevobob posted:every culture is equally worthless Aussies are uncultured swine to begin with.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:not saying americans don't do that either mind you No poo poo 
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Elmnt80 posted:in Australia/UK/NZ its generally not. Like I've said, sure, I'm usually going to be able to understand the context. But is a new poster? They don't know you're an aussie/brit/kiwi/etc, odds are they're american/canadian and get the wrong impression of the forum in general. They should be able to tell when we talk about the new tyres and the nice grey colour we're going to paint the Aluminium bonnet and boot lid on our right hand drive cars. echomadman fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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Was that post even in english, whats going on oh god.
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It should boil down to context, if someone is being explicitly called a oval office as an insult, that's bad and shouldn't happen - but it's the same for any other generic insult really, and this forum doesn't ban insults, because if you're gonna ban one then you're gonna have to ban them all if it's general usage (which a lot of people in the world use it for), then who cares, move on different parts of the world have different uses for words and american english is absolutely not the definitive usage of those words, and words should not be tailored towards american sensibilities, irrespective of where in the world the servers are hosted, because the forums have a lot of different people in them from all over the world.
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Elmnt80 posted:Was that post even in english, whats going on oh god. I wish to formally deny the rumour Elmnt80 is in any way related to KaptainBallistik That we know of.
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I got a SOCOM scout and twenty extra mags and a couple severed heads in my bug-out bag i scream as I climb up a pile of schoolkids shot to death and spinkick some dumb sheepshagger who once called a rusty bolt a oval office. i'm an american! gently caress yeah! context is for pussies
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Haven't you cunts got better poo poo to do at the moment than whinge about the words we choose to use. I mean, you definitely should. You're a resourceful people, and if you have to focus on poo poo that doesn't matter while the power of your empire wanes then please invent a seedless raspberry that will grow in a mediterannean climate. Beaucoup Haram fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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i'm the custom titles spreading the seppo naughty word wide and far
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InitialDave posted:Honest answer? Always quote:Ask us to not use it in the "generic traffic" areas for the benefit of American sensibilities, and knock off any "this word is inherently misogynistic" bollocks, and I suspect we're all probably ok to go along with that for the good of the forum. I've spent the last 4+ years in retail management where I've had managers above me on my rear end for being too kind in a position of authority. To say its had an effect on how I handle authority positions is understating it a bit. And to be quite frank, given some of the responses I get the feeling I'd still be having these discussions no matter if I asked or just said to. And yes, like anything, it would be handled with a range of responses from "hey, please don't do that" to a probe where the length of time depends depends on a wide range of actions. Its how I've handled what reports we've had so far and how I plan to continue handling them to the best of my ability. And I do hope that you all realize that if these positions were reversed and it was americans saying something that our aussie/uk posters found sexist/racist/etc, I'd being figuring out how to make it gently caress off out of this forum. As I've said, I want this to be a place that ANYONE can post about their unnatual urge to shove a big block into an opel gt or whatever other automotive bullshit makes them happy. Part of that to me is having us think about what we post and how it extends beyond our own cultures.
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Elmnt80 posted:And I do hope that you all realize that if these positions were reversed and it was americans saying something that our aussie/uk posters found sexist/racist/etc, I'd being figuring out how to make it gently caress off out of this forum. As I've said, I want this to be a place that ANYONE can post about their unnatual urge to shove a big block into an opel gt or whatever other automotive bullshit makes them happy. Part of that to me is having us think about what we post and how it extends beyond our own cultures. And that's where we differ because if I found someone saying something that I personally found offensive, I'd ask them to stop, and if they didn't, I'd simply ignore it and move on. You can't censor the whole world to meet your own sensibilities. But I don't think that this is a conversation where you're actively seeking feedback, I think this is just you telling people how things are going to be so take my opinion in the spirit that it's offered.
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Elmnt80 posted:something that our aussie/uk posters found sexist/racist/etc, TBH there was something a couple of weeks ago that really took me aback as it was somethign you would absolutly get decked for saying it here but yet wasnt remarked on by anyone else? I just kinda figured it's use elsewhere wasn't as vicious as it is here. About the only thing I can think of offhand is calling First Australians Abbos. Thats loving truly vile.
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tithin posted:You can't censor the whole world to meet your own sensibilities. Ah but oval office you neglect to realise that we're dealing with Americans, the world police, so of course it us who must change on this international comedy forum. "When I walked in here, the sign above the door said 'Comedy Club' not 'Synagogue' so I'm going to say what the gently caress I like, bitch" - Charlie Murphy
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Elmnt80 posted:And I do hope that you all realize that if these positions were reversed and it was americans saying something that our aussie/uk posters found sexist/racist/etc, I'd being figuring out how to make it gently caress off out of this forum. As I've said, I want this to be a place that ANYONE can post about their unnatual urge to shove a big block into an opel gt or whatever other automotive bullshit makes them happy. Part of that to me is having us think about what we post and how it extends beyond our own cultures. I honestly find american cultural imperialism offensive.
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DumbparameciuM posted:Ah but oval office you neglect to realise.... Audible guffaw over here God we use the word so much here it has taken on a life of its own. I live near a particularly high foot traffic area and have heard it as people come a cropper on their bike or skateboards atleast once or twice a month. It really wouldn't be Aussie English without it The question was posed earlier up if we would call someone in America a oval office, and yeah credit where credit is due that person would be really be asking for it. There is something to be said for not using it the oval office hair example hit a nerve of performanative excessiveness that IRL. I might have words today about, or a gentleman's agreement to keep that poo poo self quarantined Alternatively someone else mentioned disallowing all gendered insults, no calling someone a pussy or a tit. Which feels like an equal compromise that leaves everyone equally unhappy. But honestly that's the only way I see this circle squared. If the issue is the genderising if the word then cock dick and pussy gotta go too
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Being a oval office on the internet was what i was born into dont take that away from me
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Krakkles posted:oh, man, comedy classic. angryrobots must be rotflmao Thanks for providing so many examples of being an irredeemable and humorless poo poo person in one place. Next time, will you low-key call me a racist again, based on absolutely nothing?
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Krakkles posted:It actually is true. The N-word is still worse, but the c-word is the only other word I'm aware of that meets John Mulaney's criteria. Using either of those words in direct anger in the american south will not only get you dropped it will get you dropped by bystanders who weren't even part of the argument
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shame on an IGA posted:Using either of those words in direct anger in the american south will not only get you dropped it will get you dropped by bystanders who weren't even part of the argument oval office
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