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Burkion posted:I'm honestly curious These are the kinds of decisions I struggle with the most. Two films that accomplish what they set out to almost flawlessly, but the scope and ambition are not in the same ballpark
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I won't be able to make it to the start of the stream tonight so I'm watching Rebecca now, for the first time. I've seen North by Northwest, Psycho, Vertigo, The Birds and loved them all. I guess a a lot changed in filmmaking between 1940 and 1960 because I'm bored and completely disengaged. I just can't connect when the characters don't seem like real people, just actors barking out lines as fast as they can in front of fake looking sets while an overbearing soundtrack screeches away constantly in the background. Nice lighting though, and Mrs Danvers is convincingly creepy at least.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:27
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I've watched so few films from that era that it's easy to get caught up in the praise and awards Rebecca received (and still receives) and assume that it's representative. I shall keep an open mind, and thanks for the recommendations
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Sep 4, 2020 22:37
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The Berzerker posted:I'm curious to see if anyone intends to vote Bad Taste over the Devil's Backbone. I've watched both over the last day and a half, and while Bad Taste is funny and the gore is charming, it doesn't really have much behind it to make me want to vote for it. I've seen them both years ago, and will be watching them on the Monday stream. My initial thought is that Devil's Backbone has my vote because it's amazingly creepy and unsettling and it was my introduction to the world of GDT. Bad Taste is an incredible accomplishment for the resources Jackson had available at the time, and the story of the kid who baked latex alien masks in his mum's oven going on to establish a world-class effects company tugs on my heartstrings. Unfortunately, from what I remember, the level of craft on display doesn't come close to Devil's Backbone.
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Sep 5, 2020 22:51
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That was wonderful, thanks Fran!
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Sep 6, 2020 18:05
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Also I'm proud of you that you gave two seasons and a feature film a fair shake, even though you didn't enjoy them.  I'm sorry you didn't like it STAC Goat, but thank you for giving it a more than fair crack
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Sep 7, 2020 09:49
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When does the voting end for this section of round 3?
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Sep 7, 2020 23:53
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These aren't oversights, they're fun reasons to run another tournament a couple of months after this one ends!
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Sep 8, 2020 04:20
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married but discreet posted:Shyamalan would slay with Signs or The Visit, and maybe Sixth Sense has held up? They're just trying to lure kvlt into this thread
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Sep 8, 2020 13:49
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Fire Walk With Me vs. Drag Me To Hell Drag Me To Hell has a lot of the component parts of what make a good Sam Raimi movie, but the lack of gore and over-reliance on one repeated jump scare both hurt it. Those things were apparent first time round, whereas I was much less informed about the orientalism that is now much more obvious and runs deep within the fabric of the film. After all, being able to curse someone is like a superpower, and saying every person of a certain race has a superpower can't be racist, right? Watching it now, it comes across as crass and carelessly offensive. Fire Walk With Me is the kind of high wire act that only someone with David Lynch's skill could pull off. Movies based on TV series usually end up rating somewhere between entertaining diversion and trash that I wish I could erase from my memory. To say this is the best movie based on a TV series is to understate just how much it surpasses every other attempt to do the same. FWwM expands upon all the best elements of the show while also showing them in negative, refocusing them through a new lens, and elevating them to movie quality well before the era of prestige TV. To do that while also slicing directly through everything you thought you knew about these characters is one of those master strokes that takes years to be really appreciated (see critics opinions on release vs. now). It should be obvious that I'm a massive fan of Lynch, and this is one of his best IMO. Only one way I can vote here.
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Sep 8, 2020 22:16
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Streaming the director's cut and having that be the basis for judgement in a directors tournament seems reasonable to me.
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Sep 9, 2020 16:45
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STAC Goat, you absolutely nailed how I feel about Rebecca. Came on here to rant about it during the closing credits, and a couple of hours later was thinking about watching it again. Olivier's performance was such an unbalancing element that it made me overlook a lot of what was good about the film, and I'm also going to have to watch some of his other films so I have a frame if reference for what he was going for here.
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I'm vibrating at the thought of some of these matchups. Oh and it me, I'm the one genuinely wondering whether I'll vote for The Blob or Hereditary. I like my horror movies to hurt
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Sep 10, 2020 17:04
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The note-reading scene at the end of The Dolls had me laughing out loud
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Sep 11, 2020 19:20
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STAC Goat posted:I just think the way this tournament evolved its been much more of a movie club than a "best director tourney" so reshuffling and skipping movies like Eraserhead or Night of the Living Dead or Re-Animator for a movie we've already seen feels like an anticlimactic ending to me. This is how I feel also, for what it's worth
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Sep 16, 2020 23:30
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Irony.or.Death posted:Hannibal is, I think, unfairly maligned. It only really sucks when you consider the talent involved and form expectations; if it were a James Wan movie I would have been pleasantly surprised. Necronomicon doesn't suck, though, so that's an easy win. Hannibal plasters those expectations all over the screen. There are good performances by talented actors in desperate need of a script with something interesting to say. The cinematography is lush and everything looks like it cost as much as it did, but it's in service of a plodding mess of a story (a story we now know can be told well, thanks TV series). It's a film that tries to remind you how much money and talent was thrown at it at every turn, in a desperate effort to cover up how utterly awful the writing is. Yes, some of those expectations come from how good Lambs was, but again the film actively invites those comparisons by leaning so hard on what we already know about Clarice and Hannibal, and the cinematic vocabulary that Lambs established.
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Sep 17, 2020 11:52
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Time to deliberately ruin my sleep schedule so I can watch Inland Empire and Audition with goons
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Sep 17, 2020 18:06
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I've seen Bless the Child and I'm pretty confident that it would have lost whatever round it was drawn in. Whoops.
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Sep 17, 2020 19:43
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Since The H Man got subbed in for another Honda film mid tournament, are we also adding Bless the Child to Russell's pool?
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Sep 17, 2020 22:14
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The times I wish I was more art literate are when I'm trying to turn those feelings into words. I deliberately try to avoid analysing while I'm watching
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Jedit's secret plan to sink Ken Russell by stirring up the spite-vote going well I see
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An excellent post
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Sep 19, 2020 20:10
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I'm real excited for the results. David on David violence has got me on the edge of my seat
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Sep 24, 2020 14:51
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Franchescanado posted:I'm not surprised, but I'm sad that David beat David.  It got me to finally watch Inland Empire though, and for that I'm eternally grateful
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Sep 24, 2020 15:43
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Can I just jump straight in to Return of the Living Dead 3 without seeing 2?
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Sep 24, 2020 16:34
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Franchescanado posted:How would this work, since half of the contenders would be stealing votes from the other half? The two that get knocked out this round go head to head before the final. Football (soccer) world cup does the same thing.
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Sep 24, 2020 16:41
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married but discreet posted:Wait, the final event is based on all of the director's movies? Not all of them. 3 random picks from each go head to head.
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Origami Dali posted:Are the streaming versions of ROTLD 3 the unrated version? There's a fair bit of gore cut out in the R version. On Prime it's just under 97 minutes which seems to be the length of the unrated on bluray.com
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Sep 24, 2020 18:10
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Origami Dali posted:Tbf, the unrated cut is 18 seconds longer, so they're both ~97 mins. A lot of the difference isn't longer scenes, but rather gorier alternate takes with the same runtime, and it's a lot of scenes. The version on Tubi says 96 mins, R rating too, so who knows. Ah, ok. I watched the first 15 minutes and the scene in the lab at the start looked cut to me. There's a sequence where a doctor gets his fingers bitten off and you see his reaction, you see the hand afterwards, but not the actual bite
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Right now I plan to stream the RotLD3 from Amazon Prime UK, which includes the bite, so I'm guessing is uncut? That's the version I was looking at too. I might have been expecting more gore. I know someone with the unrated blu-ray so I've asked them to check.
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:MacheteZombie is hooking me up with the uncut version Whoop!
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Awesome! I realised my description was really bad because you do actually see gloved fingers go in mouth in the cut version but I was expecting to see teeth and crunching bones
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Franchescanado posted:Curt becomes most defined when he is forced to acknowledge the toxic relationship he and Julie have built for themselves and each other. I think you mean Trioxic relationship  That's all I've got, I don't know how to respond to a post that good. You've definitely made me see the film in a new light. Actually I do have one thought. My issue with it come down to what seems like a mismatch in the Script, Director, Franchise triangle. I think if you pick two of those it could work, but the third is always the wrench in the wheel. The themes being explored in the script don't fit the goofiness of the franchise. Yuzna would be a great fit for something more in the vein of the first film, but doesn't have the deft touch to make tough themes like suicidal tendencies, self-harm, and destructive relationships work in tandem with madcap zombie action. Its extra tough for Yuzna in this case because here he is directing something that's maybe too far out of his comfort zone, and he's up against Miike whose comfort zone is all of cinema and TV ever. If any matchup could highlight the disconnect at the heart of ROTLD3 it's this one.
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Franchescanado posted:If Miike had drawn any other movie against RotLD3, it probably would win. Happiness, as ambitiously Miike as it may be, isn't gonna cut it for me, unless someone can really dig into the movie besides it's energy and style. I wish I was smart enough to do that. I'm voting with my feelings on this one, and I felt good after Happiness and less good after ROTLD3. I do hope someone has an effort-post in them for Happiness.
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It was really good, thanks YP. e: I'm going to defend the stuff with the sumo and his underage girlfriend, so help me god I think the point of it was to show just how bad things are for the Katakuris. As YP said, they're a bunch of losers. Lovable losers yes, but compared to the social status that I understand is afforded to sumo wrestlers they are less than dirt. You can tell by the looks on their faces that they think it's hosed up. So the fact that they have to tamp down on that disgust and take his money so they can afford to live should emphasise how screwed they are. The guy probably carries a lot of water, and they don't carry poo poo, so bad word of mouth from him could ruin them. And yes, Miike makes us look at it because that's what he does. But then he also kills the guy while he's loving, so I don't think Miike is on his side. What he does is find tension and push as hard as he can. Oh, things are so bad you have to accept any guest that shows up? How about now? What about this guest? Everyone has their limit and I understand anyone who can't accept something like this in the films they enjoy, but I don't think it was done thoughtlessly or with a cavalier attitude to what was being shown. Tarnop fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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TrixRabbi posted:I feel like the Horror Challenge starting has distracted folks here, which isn't a bad thing but would explain the slower movement of the thread this week. Also there's only 3 new films, so much less to talk about. I voted Cronenberg/Miike. All things being equal I'd have voted for Lair over Rabid, but the second viewing of Lair in such a short time had me mentally checking out on multiple occasions whereas Rabid had my full attention all the way through. I'm also much more inclined towards a bleak "society is hosed" ending so Rabid wins there too. I confess that Cronenberg/Miike is the final I want to see so maybe it's post-hoc rationalisation. Those two will be an actual contest, whereas Russell/Yuzna is over before it starts. Franchescanado posted:Same. Lynch is my favorite director. I'm sad Eraserhead didn't get a showcase, but I'm very happy that a bunch of people watched some of his films for the first time and had a place to discuss them. Lynch is my favourite too, but I'd been putting off Inland Empire for years and this got me to watch (and love) it so I can't be too sad. Tarnop fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:I think that really depends on the draw. The Devils vs Bride of Re-Animator could split people given how different they are, and Altered States could potentially lose to a weaker Yuzna. Let's not count anyone out too soon. I'm just having a gloomy day and I'm bad at keeping it separated from my posting
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:
Thanks Debs. The main horror thread has prescribed a dose of Dr. Gordon's tonic for revitalisation of the humors, From Beyond. It's working already 
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That's four films I haven't seen, so I'm pretty excited for this
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It's fascinating to me that the final is between two directors with such eclectic bodies of work, and all the horror specialists are gone. The nature of the tournament is probably too random to draw any conclusion from that, but I never would have expected it at the start.
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