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For the 16 JungleHélène Cattet & Bruno Forzani posted:1. Amer e: I've removed Let the Corpses Tan, as it's likely not horror enough Debbie Does Dagon fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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Roger Eggers 1. The VVitch 2. The Lighthouse Yoshiaki Kawajiri 1. Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust 2. Demon City Shinjuku 3. Wicked City Abel Ferrara 1. Ms. 45 2. Driller Killer 3. The Addiction 4. Body Snatchers Hollismason posted:Can't believe I'm the first to do this but here it goes: The genius behind Blood Feast directed Monster A Go-Go!? 
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Can we add Planet Terror to Robert Rodriguez?
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Shrecknet posted:Done. I honestly haven't seen it and didn't know it was horror. Thought it was more Sin City than FDTD. It definitely shares a familial resemblance to both, but with the quality dialed way down, and then married to something like Return of the Living Dead. Oh, and if you've ever wanted to see Quentin Tarantino's goatse impression, you're in luck.
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I'd be absolutely willing to raise the floor to at least two horror films. Otherwise there's a huge slew one time horror directors who'd probably be extremely competitive, like Kubrick for example.
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Jedit posted:Did anyone do Brian de Palma yet? TrixRabbi posted:
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Darthemed posted:David DeCoteau I would have went for 1. 1313: Cougar Cult 2. 1313: Giant Killer Bees! 3. 1313: Haunted Frat 4. 1313: Bigfoot Island 5. 1313: UFO Invasion 6. 1313: Frankenqueen but to each their own.
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Jun 9, 2020 18:32
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Shrecknet posted:And we are full! William Lustig or Stephen Sommers would be my choices for a bounce, but that's honestly just based on personal tastes. I'd also abuse my power to bounce Ruggero Deodato just so I don't have to watch Cannibal Holocaust. E: Just to be clear, I don't think these suggestions should be acted upon, unless other council members agree
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Jun 9, 2020 18:43
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After a lot of thought, I'm going to choose Alfred Hitchcock as my #1 seed. There are probably other crowd favourites, or other directors who fit my particular taste better, but the individual level of quality in each of Hitchcock's films absolutely elevates him above the pack for me.
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Jun 9, 2020 20:37
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Basebf555 posted:I haven't seen Face but it looks like a crime drama? I just finished it, and it's definitely not horror. It's a very socially conscious crime drama, like if Ken Loach directed a Guy Ritchie film. It's also nothing like Ravenous in terms of mood, music, and cinematography. Let's see, Anthony B. Richmond did the cinematography for Ravenous. He also did Don't Look Now, Candyman, The Man who Fell to Earth, Tales from the Hood, and uh Legally Blonde, as well about 40 other films.
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Jun 9, 2020 22:35
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Given the availability problems with some of the films, do we want to think about streaming a few over Discord? e: I'm pretty sure my upload speed can handle streaming in HD, but it's not something I have any experience with Debbie Does Dagon fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jun 10, 2020 |
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https://letterboxd.com/debbiedoesdagon/list/bracketology-director-madness/ I put all of the films from the spreadsheet into a handy Letterboxd list. I also noticed that I missed a film for Hélène Cattet and Bruno Forzani, they have a short segment called "O is for Orgasm" in "The ABCs of Death" anthology.
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Thanks! If you see anymore mistakes let me know. I also couldn't find Ed Wood's Necromania on Letterboxd, Wikipedia says it's porn, so I'm guessing that's the reason.
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Jun 10, 2020 20:58
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Darthemed posted:Looks like the short film version of Saw made the list instead of the feature-length. Fixed! I suggest we remove Ed Wood's Necromaniac, which appears to be porn and is also not available anywhere, and replace it with Final Curtain which is available on Prime.
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Okay, this might be the greatest thing I've ever seen. I withdraw my request, everyone needs to see this. As for Final Curtain, my knowledge of it extends to "It exists, and is easily available". It appears to be about some guy wandering around a theatre after dark.
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Shrecknet posted:I will tell you, looking at the early results, that only one director has appeared on every ballot, and it isn't Tobe Hooper or George Romero. Even though I was a loud voice in the previous thread championing Romero, I didn't vote for him this time. He's a great storyteller, and a very competent director, but I don't think he has the stuff to go all the way. Instead I spread my votes between smaller directors whose voices aren't regularly heard or uplifted around here. I'd much rather that this thread becomes somewhere where people discover new favourites, and pleasant surprises, rathering than just putting the crown on one of the usual suspects. I'm 100% Team Upset. Gremlins 2 is the greatest film ever made
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I totally meant those as separate statements, sorry. I just got excited and couldn't resist fangirling over Gremlins
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Going by the previous bracket, I think the early stages will be naturally geared toward exposure, but as the field becomes whittled down it'll pivot toward veneration. I honestly wouldn't worry too much about Wes, Carpenter et al. If people are worried though, I'm sure it's not too early to argue for a preferred lineup. I'm hoping that enough people vote for Helene Cattet/Bruno Forzani for them to get a good seed. They only really have two films, but both are exquisitely beautiful and deserve exposure
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STAC Goat posted:I've had Amer on my watchlist since you talked it up but like... they seem like another case of not terribly convenient to get hands on directors. This is precisely why I'm looking into streaming over Discord. Not just for Amer, but to give potential access to the hundreds of films in this tournament which have limited availability.
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Hélène Cattet & Bruno Forzani are gone before they could even fire a shot in anger... 
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https://letterboxd.com/debbiedoesdagon/list/bracketology-horror-director-week-1/ I plotted out the first week(?) on a Letterboxd list. At least five of them appear to be reasonably accessible on streaming sites, so that's a good start. Basebf555 posted:Came down to three things I expect. FIrst, The Strange Color of Your Body's Tears is fairly divisive. I don't really like it myself. Second, not a lot of people have seen Amer. Third, Let the Corpses Tan isn't horror, and I think that is their best film. You're all dead to me.
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STAC Goat posted:I was researching Twin Peaks to figure out if I had to watch the series before I watch the movie and... The events occur before the show, but they also spoil the ending of the show. So prequel/sequel makes sense. My advice would be to watch at least the first season, as the second season is a real mixed bag.
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Shrecknet posted:I found as many as I could using legal/available means, but I think we're gonna have to stream Lost Highway in the discord because it just does not exist online. It's available on filmin.es if you have access to a VPN and a PayPal account. It's a little weird subscribing to a streaming site in Spain when you don't live there, but their collection is seriously impressive. Oh and remember to switch the audio track to Inglés. https://www.filmin.es/catalogo?f%5Bgenre_ids%5D=14
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I went back and checked, and that was 100% my fault. Dyslexia strikes again.
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Schrecknet, it's ROBERT Eggers, not Roger.
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Darthemed posted:Have you seen Stage Fright (2014)? Ooh, I haven't! I'm gonna watch this tonight!
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It's a shame that Faust isn't going up against Shirome, because they're basically the same film, right? Right?Darthemed posted:Have you seen Stage Fright (2014)? Thank you so much for recommending this! I watched it with my partner who usually hates horror, and we both loved it. It's definitely an advertisement for why you should never pay attention to aggregator sites, and box office numbers. Somewhere out there there's a weirdo making a film just for you, and it's going to bomb hard, and kill their career, but once you find it it's going to be love at first sight.
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I do wonder about the production of Shirome. The idol group is a real group, and an extremely successful one too, and in the closing credits there's a you've been punked moment. So was this actually meant to be taken seriously as a film? It seems like an extra for a concert DVD, or a TV special.
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As for the ending of Cut, I can't imagine the child asking for revenge, and then the man whose entire character is "I'm a good guy" providing that revenge, is a coincidence. He definitely had a slip mentally, but it was done in such a way to rescue the child from a life of simmering anger, thereby ending the cycle of violence the kidnapper complained about. Does it work? I'm not sure killing women is a good way to settle social issues, but it makes sense within the logic of the film. e: I like that interpretation too vvvvv Debbie Does Dagon fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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Having caught up with the films I haven't seen, I'm now ready to vote. The Masque of the Red Death vs. Shirome I enjoyed how surreal Shirome felt in parts, and I would totally watch a show that was just "We take unsuspecting people to spooky places, and then torture them psychologically." As a cinematic entry in a horror director contest though, it's dead on arrival. How could it possibly complete with Vincent Price flexing his villainous muscles, in easily the most sumptuous sets I've ever seen in a Corman production. I'm not sure where Corman has to go after this, and it saddens me that we should lose Shiraishi this way, but I have to throw my vote behind Corman given the circumstances. Faust vs. Three... Extremes: Cut Faust is beautiful, and extremely entertaining despite its length. I also love how expressive, and fantastical everything is, whilst also maintaining the tone appropriate to each scene. The plague is dirty and threatening. The King's court is resplendent, and dazzling. The village is twee, and innocent, and carefree, but turns on a dime to become a frightening, dark, cold, and moralistically brutal prison. It's just wonderful from start to finish. Cut on the other hand is an interesting mess. I didn't think it was bad, it just flirted so hard with comedy as to become farcical. It was occasionally pretty to look at, and seemingly mostly all shot within one set, but the performances, story, and dialogue just broke any sense of suspense for me. It's also not funny, or wild, or gross out enough to work as a horror comedy. So we're just left with a conceptually interesting, but kind of schlubby Saw concept, which didn't really tickle me. So this round goes to Faust. Lost Highway vs. Cabin Fever 2: Spring Fever I chose not to rewatch Lost Highway, and that's because it's one of my favourite Lynch films. It obviously doesn't compare to the dizzying heights of something like Blue Velvet, but it has so many iconic lines, performances, story hooks, and visuals. The soundtrack is also amazing, going from Badalamenti, to Rammstein, Marilyn Manson, David Bowie, Trent Reznor, all the way to Lou Reed. This is my interpretation, but it also feels like Lynch's most personal work since Eraserhead, diving deep into a public exploration of his writing process, and exploring issues such as story structure, and character development. I'm sure the segment of the eyebrowless man, holding up a camera, and wondering aloud "What the gently caress is your name?" Has happened to Lynch more than once in the writing room. While Cabin Fever 2 is well, it's entertaining I guess? There's some interesting gross-out gore that appeals to me, but it's just such an empty, soulless, vacuous shell of a movie. I'm not sure why anyone would choose to spend any time in its company. So it's an easy victory for Lost Highway. Army of Darkness vs. Stagefright Guilty confession time, I don't really like Army of Darkness that much. It's not a bad film, it's just that I still have the lingering disappointment I felt from watching it the first time as a kid, and seeing that it was a tonal departure from the first two films. I guess some of the goofiness is there in Evil Dead II, but it really becomes turned up to eleven here. It's definitely an entertaining film though, with countless memorable moments, it's just not what I wanted, and I can't shake that feeling. Stagefright is, well I've said before that those first five minutes are absolutely inspired. Afterwards it drifts off in quality, and becomes a bit more ordinary, but there's still plenty to like. I think one of my favourite scenes throughout this entire bracket, is the killer setting up his kills like props on the stage, and our final girl watching asif frozen. If the whole film could have been as haunting and dreamlike as that one moment, I'd give it Stagefright, but unfortunately it was not meant to be, and my vote must go to Army of Darkness. Which, while not being my favourite, does at least hold the audience throughout the entire runtime. Debbie Does Dagon fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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https://letterboxd.com/debbiedoesdagon/list/bracketology-horror-director-week-2/ I nominated Abel Ferrara, and I very almost made Cronenberg my number one seed, so this is going to be a real Sophie's choice for me. e: Oh my brain betrayed me. It's Ferrara vs Fulci! That's still going to be tough though. Debbie Does Dagon fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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I don't think there's a single moment, in the entire Resident Evil franchise, that can compete with the sexual tension between Lance Henriksen and Mark Rolston in Survival Quest. The rest of the film is what it is, it's tonally confused, and very by the numbers. What it has though is an excellent heart, a desire to see the good in people, a desire to warn against the evils of toxic masculinity, and a desire to see Lance Henriksen sweaty, rugged, chiseled, and from crotch level.
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I didn't plan on rewatching anything during the early brackets, but STAC Goat inspired me to give it go. It's just unfortunate that I have to begin with Resident Evil: Afterlife because it isn't a film, it's somewhere between an FMV sequence, and the fever dream of a very boring prepubescent boy. Sure there are things constantly happening on screen, but there's nothing to actually care about. It's just dull occurrence, after dull occurrence, with no narrative weight, no artistry, no feeling, no depth, and not even any fun really. Say what you want about Cabin Fever 2, and Shirome, but at least there was something to engage with there. This is just a soulless void.
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That reminds of the beautiful moment where the convict ingratiates himself by giving a decapitated snake to that girl, and you could see the blood stain on his clothes from where he'd been stashing the poor thing. That was some definite troubled neighbour vibe.
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married but discreet posted:Ah dang, they solved the question of who's the best horror director, pack it up everyone They included Polanski, so that list is already compromised. married but discreet posted:Also, The Addiction is quite the movie I'm glad it went first for Ferrara, because it's definitely his sucker punch. It has everything. It's a time capsule of '90s nihilism, a treatise of moral relativism and philosophical self-justification, a brutal grimy gritty vampire flick, and it has one of the best Christopher Walken monologues ever. If anything is going to cause an early upset, it's The Addiction.
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I think we're also really overestimating the ability of Sleepy Hollow to make any impact on this tournament. It's a fine movie, but it's also Burton beginning to slide into predictable mediocrity. I'm pretty sure Wes can put literally any film in front of it, and still stand an excellent chance of winning.
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Ah! I'm looking forward to seeing Last House for the first time. It's definitely being built up for me.
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Dead Ringers vs Halloweentown II: Kalabar's Revenge Cronenberg wins this one easily, but I'm not sure if I want him to. Halloweentown is a very light and watchable, but obviously not very impressive as a technical achievement. Dead Ringers on the other hand is the complete opposite. It's very well made, but I found myself not trusting Cronenberg with the material. There's the seed of a feminist tale in here, about the brutality of the patriarchal medical establishment, and the masculine rejection of the feminine leading to its own destruction, but it's lost instantly because the sympathies of the film are squarely placed with the monstrous male lead(s). The result is something of a compromise that pulls its punches, and is unwilling to really unmask the reality of the situation. I wanted the film to be an echo of that opening scene, where the girl tells the twins to go gently caress themselves, but there's just no corollary moment that has the same impact. It's just kind of fumbled, and that came as a huge disappointment. married but discreet posted:Sick Girl reminded me of my days as a zoologist, keeping bugs at home and definitely not getting very lucky with anyone who was not also a bug loving weirdo.  bug loving weirdos have to stick together
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I did consider bringing up the fact that only black person in Halloweentown is described as an awful person who lives in trash, and our heroes later go on to experiment on him cruelly as he pleads for them to stop.
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I'm really looking forward to Yoshiaki Kawajiri going against Takashi Miike. Kawajiri has his haymaker in Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust vs Miike's excellent, but I think a little underwhelming, Over Your Dead Body.
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