Zedhe Khoja posted:Don't forget the honeypot who abandoned the plot because of Fidels excellent dicking. 
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The Bay of Pigs was another great CIA "success" story -The invading army had minimal training or military background -Invasion idea overlooked how the above worms were seen as class traitors by the Cubans , there was no popular support -Due to Soviet arms exports the Cuban military had access both to heavy armor, artillery and also lots of leftover aircraft from the previous regime -The invasion had no air support after the "false flag" attacks sustained heavy losses due to excellent Cuban Flak defense -The hilarious bad CIA intel overlooked the obvious capabilities of the Cuban military and the high level of motivation in cuban soldiers to fight off the invasion
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Jun 28, 2020 17:21
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Don't forget that one of the operatives trained for the operation ended up being a terrorist for several decades, including blowing up an airplane full of kids. The US protected him from extradition for his whole life.
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Jun 28, 2020 17:41
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Let's sexy assassins after a guy who has a Wilt Chamberlain like record with women.
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Jun 28, 2020 17:53
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etalian posted:The Bay of Pigs was another great CIA "success" story The Bay of Pigs was likely intended to fail on the assumption that the young new President - a 43 year old playboy who had only been a lieutenant during the war and who was only in office because of his dad, and who had run as a cold war hardliner - would bend to pressure and order the US military to support the rebels. In effect the idea was to create a situation where backing would be too embarrassing, thereby forcing an escalation that would result in a full regime change operation. To the surprise of Dulles and co Kennedy let the invasion fizzle and then started removing the CIA individuals responsible for the plot, with Dulles himself being forced into a retirement shortly thereafter.
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Jun 28, 2020 19:05
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That makes Kennedy sound pretty good for once
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Jun 28, 2020 20:08
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The proposal to do false flag terror attacks to justify war on Cuba also got all the way through the JCS up to Kennedy before he went "wait what the gently caress"
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Jun 28, 2020 20:43
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https://twitter.com/WretchedHog/status/1276375449862656000
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Jun 28, 2020 20:58
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You're an rear end, Jose.
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Jun 28, 2020 22:04
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for making fun of the CIA...? Lol or is this some brainless forums grudge
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Jun 28, 2020 23:03
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GalacticAcid posted:for making fun of the CIA...? Lol Also even if you end up as a complete spy failure you still get a cute shiny gold star memorial at the CIA headquarters.
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Jun 28, 2020 23:14
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etalian posted:Also even if you end up as a complete spy failure you still get a cute shiny gold star memorial at the CIA headquarters. " 'cause in America there’s always a prize in every box of crackerjacks" - J Sakai
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Helsing posted:The Bay of Pigs was likely intended to fail on the assumption that the young new President - a 43 year old playboy who had only been a lieutenant during the war and who was only in office because of his dad, and who had run as a cold war hardliner - would bend to pressure and order the US military to support the rebels. In effect the idea was to create a situation where backing would be too embarrassing, thereby forcing an escalation that would result in a full regime change operation. To the surprise of Dulles and co Kennedy let the invasion fizzle and then started removing the CIA individuals responsible for the plot, with Dulles himself being forced into a retirement shortly thereafter. Yeah, David Talbot covered this in his JFK book - the CIA knew that the Bay of Pigs was going to fail, but they were counting on being able to badger JFK into sending actual US air support (and not fake "rebel" airplanes) to help the rebels, and then the Cubans would shoot at the planes, and it'd spiral out from there into turning into a general invasion.
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https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/cias-failures/ The above article and also mentions the book Legacy of Ashes which is a honest history of the CIA that exposes it as bungling spy agency quote:The CIA’s successes were meager. After numerous “missteps”–which, in practice, meant getting local proxies killed–the CIA managed to oust Jacobo Arbenz of Guatemala and Mohammed Mossadegh of Iran. Perhaps the agency’s most competent director, Richard Helms, kept the criminally insane Angleton on as head of counterintelligence because he stopped the Soviets from penetrating the agency’s highest levels. Meanwhile, Angleton told nearly every secret the agency had about its European assets to his drinking buddy, the Soviet agent Kim Philby. To call the CIA comically incompetent in its early years would be to diminish the considerable achievements of Buster Keaton and Charlie Chaplin. In 1950 William Wolf Weisband, an employee in the CIA’s cryptanalysis division whose job was to translate intercepted Soviet communications, gave the agency’s code-breaking secrets to the USSR. quote:Similarly, to blame the CIA for its record of operational failures is to miss the point. Covert action is a narcotic for Presidents, offering the illusory hope that they can shape the course of history merely by ordering a little cash moved around or a general assassinated or a labor union infiltrated, all without their fingerprints ever being detected. And like a narcotic, it is difficult to emerge from the abyss of covert action when in the clutches of its exhilarating high. The Bay of Pigs fiasco did not dissuade the Kennedy Administration from attempting to eliminate Castro. Instead, it led the CIA deep within the zone of amorality that Gen. Jimmy Doolittle championed back in 1954, as operatives sought help from underworld figures to plot the killing of a foreign leader. Liberal icon Robert F. Kennedy practically ran a Murder Incorporated branch out of his Justice Department office.
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Legacy of Ashes tries hard to be nice to the CIA and even then you can see it's a bunch of evil psychopaths with a ton of money and no skills.
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If you want to know why the 50s and 60s CIA was so loving crazy and just trying out Looney Tunes poo poo all of the time, remember that they had access to all of the best (and worst and mediocre) drugs via things like MK Ultra and Edgewood. These guys were high like an late 1800s pharmacist
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MonsieurChoc posted:Legacy of Ashes tries hard to be nice to the CIA and even then you can see it's a bunch of evil psychopaths with a ton of money and no skills. Yeah it's one of those books in which the history of gently caress-ups and outright torture of people time of facts seems contrary to the DC liberal "It just needs a few small reforms!" thesis.
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Jun 29, 2020 02:19
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just lol'd at them clearly sending out a memo this weekend telling all their pet thinkfluencers to besmirch lenin due to protests possible triggering wider radicalisation
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Jun 29, 2020 03:48
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lol was “Lenin stole the revolution” part of that?
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Platystemon posted:lol was “Lenin stole the revolution” part of that? it was!
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The Glumslinger posted:If you want to know why the 50s and 60s CIA was so loving crazy and just trying out Looney Tunes poo poo all of the time, remember that they had access to all of the best (and worst and mediocre) drugs via things like MK Ultra and Edgewood. These guys were high like an late 1800s pharmacist The impression I got was that Eisenhower kinda didn't care all that much about what the CIA did and allowed Dulles to run it like his own very well-funded fiefdom sans any oversight, and they fully expected to be able to do the same under Kennedy, which is part of why they were so shocked that he actually tried to rein them in, and fired Dulles, and threatened to defund the whole organization This is also why they killed him Also the reason why the Church Committee findings that came of the 60s never actually took root was because by the time Carter was in office and was in a position to put some reforms into action, Afghanistan was just heating up and Zbigneiw Brzezinski convinced Carter to drop it so that the CIA could do their thing against the Soviets. gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 05:56 on Jun 29, 2020 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:The impression I got was that Eisenhower kinda didn't care all that much about what the CIA did and allowed Dulles to run it like his own very well-funded fiefdom sans any oversight, and they fully expected to be able to do the same under Kennedy, which is part of why they were so shocked that he actually tried to rein them in, and fired Dulles, and threatened to defund the whole organization my fave running theory on the Kennedy assassination was that the CIA just wanted to scare the poo poo out of Kennedy and have him reconsider Bay of Pigs part 2 by provoking a Marxist radical like Oswald to make an attempt on his life but what they didn't figure out was that Oswald had *that* good of a shot and their reaction to him popping Kennedy's skull was "ohshitohshitohshitohshit we killed the President this wasn't supposed to happen" let's be honest, this would be very on-brand for the CIA
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gh0stpinballa posted:just lol'd at them clearly sending out a memo this weekend telling all their pet thinkfluencers to besmirch lenin due to protests possible triggering wider radicalisation What's this all about? Like Twitch streamers and blue checks?
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MeatwadIsGod posted:What's this all about? Like Twitch streamers and blue checks? https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/1269051661215043590 https://twitter.com/mollycrabapple/status/1276762888817049600
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epstein
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/1269051661215043590 When lib idpol rots your brain enough to where the creator of the worlds first socialist state is bad because he has the wrong skin color #WokeDemocrats2022 ! I’m AOC and I approve this message.
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y'all are doing a racism and sexism and a queer erasure by making fun of the cia. the #girlbosses at the cia deserve to Command Their Spaces and not apologize to you yt mayo boys PERIODT!!yellowcar posted:my fave running theory on the Kennedy assassination was that the CIA just wanted to scare the poo poo out of Kennedy and have him reconsider Bay of Pigs part 2 by provoking a Marxist radical like Oswald to make an attempt on his life but what they didn't figure out was that Oswald had *that* good of a shot and their reaction to him popping Kennedy's skull was "ohshitohshitohshitohshit we killed the President this wasn't supposed to happen" I think I first heard this theory when Matt Christman was on the Q Anon Anonymous podcast (I think) and it has firmly lodged itself into my brain. It pretty neatly explains everything in that the CIA were pissed at JFK, had their hands in a dozen different conflicting pies for strictly agency or even personal gain, but then hosed up in a totally insane way and all the weirdness, contradictions, and bizarre half-answers about the assassination are the result of multiple Important Guys scrambling to cover their tracks, which took years and years Pentecoastal Elites has issued a correction as of 20:32 on May 25, 2021 |
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does anyone know more info about that guy, he reads as "bellingcat but fucks" a bit.
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LittleBlackCloud posted:does anyone know more info about that guy, he reads as "bellingcat but fucks" a bit. Hanrahan has reported from Syria, Iraq, southeast Turkey, Ukraine, Israel, Palestine, Peru, Kosovo, Northern Ireland, and more. He's worked for HBO, VICE News, Esquire, Frontline PBS, ProPublica, BBC News, Bellingcat, The Guardian, and Wired. Primarily I focus on irregular warfare, but also cover organised crime and extremist politics. I work mostly as a correspondent and producer. I created and run Popular Front, a grassroots conflict journalism platform. My investigative reporting has won a duPont award. lmfao just another british self proclaimed expert who if i had to guess doesnt speak anything other than english
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May 25, 2021 22:57
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owned, rest in piss
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May 25, 2021 23:11
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I don't laugh at ur posts op 
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https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250116888 Left of Boom by Doug Laux Former case officer assigned to Afghanistan noted that even by 2009, the CIA still didn't have many agents who spoke Pashtun, and the author found out something (some general or other died IIRC) long before the Agency did simply because he picked up a Pakistani newspaper. Just a lot of lazy poo poo like that. Oh, and no one in the Agency is allowed to do drugs even once, even before they worked there, even the loving undercovers to protect their own cover lmao. IDK if it was a hype choice but like entire paragraphs in that book are redacted, and since he used to work there, the agency has to review it. Usually people edit those out, but he left them in.
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skooma512 posted:Oh, and no one in the Agency is allowed to do drugs even once, even before they worked there, even the loving undercovers to protect their own cover lmao. Completely, mind bonglingly insane. Also, very very funny. The CIA is full of mormons right
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May 25, 2021 23:56
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i assume this doesn't include all the chinese ops they got executed through laziness
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If I were running the CIA, I would try to convince everyone that there was One Weird Trick to confirm that your associates are definitely not working for us. Then I would simply not care about drug use in the line of duty. Continue to make a fuss about drugs stateside to keep up the charade. Maybe the CIA is just terminally incompetent, but I certainly wouldn’t trust the new kid doing a line as incontrovertible proof he’s not one of theirs.
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I've heard the CIA and FBI and various three letters are full of Mormons because you have to pass a background check and clearance to get in and even teenage antics like smoking a single weed will disqualify you but Mormons don't get up to antics so the agencies love them Just the biggest loving nerds
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I watch old defcon panels and talks on YouTube sometimes and always get really creeped out by the CIA or frmr speakers. The worst was a CIA talk on social engineering and the guy was like "if the person you are targeting doesn't take the bait on the buddy buddy stuff then just accuse them of being a pedo, plant evidence and then blackmail them for whatever you need". And he had this weird laugh and he kept saying stuff like "anyone who is unamerican is definitely a pedo so You're doing the country a favor" and then like pausing for the audience to react. I think that was when I decided I'd had enough of the CIA and would just rather not know anything more about what they do.
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Give them a question about “soaking” under polygraph just to make them sweat. e: the Mormons, that is
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