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I'm so glad my 3,000 dollar pro laptop can run SOTR at 1080p on the lowest settings possible at less than 30fps.
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logikv9 posted:can't wait to play my favorite ios games with my trackpad time to load up fortnite and crush mobile players with mkb
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I mean, I understand why they want to do it and this whole transition part is inevitable, but still. Yeesh. Not looking forward to the next 2-3 years.
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Jun 22, 2020 19:47
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Native container support would break me into using MacOS again. Docker as it currently sits is just awful.
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I suppose no one does serious number crunching on Macs, right? Because I can't see these ARM things doing any of that seriously (anything that isn't GPU compute, anyway). There's a reason why Intel and AMD chips are that huge and draw so much power. And it's definitely not the x86 to uOps decoder. That thing being big and power hungry is a dumb myth.
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If developers take as long to switch away from intel architecture as they did with the transition to 64 bit this rosetta 2 is going to be on Macs for like 10 years.
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So.. I'm pretty excited, not going to lie. I don't think anything outside of running my Windows VM is dependant on Intel for me, and if I can get equal performance to what I have now with drastically improved battery life (I would presume) then gently caress it -- sign me up. Looks like my 2019 13 MBP may be my last Intel machine.
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Jun 22, 2020 19:49
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Anyone know the name of the intro/exit song?
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nerdrum posted:I'm so glad my 3,000 dollar pro laptop can run SOTR at 1080p on the lowest settings possible at less than 30fps. Being able to run it all is pretty impressive.
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Combat Pretzel posted:I suppose no one does serious number crunching on Macs, right? Because I can't see these ARM things doing any of that seriously (anything that isn't GPU compute, anyway). There's a reason why Intel and AMD chips are that huge and draw so much power. And it's definitely not the x86 to uOps decoder. That thing being big and power hungry is a dumb myth. ? AArch64 chips have had various hardware algo encoders/decoders for years now. X86 is just in general slow and dumb.
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From a complete outsider perspective, what does this architecture change open vs x86 or is this just purely apple not wanting to pay intel for chips and not having the ability to purchase an x86 license?
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Jun 22, 2020 19:52
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ratbert90 posted:? AArch64 chips have had various hardware algo encoders/decoders for years now. X86 is just in general slow and dumb.
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Combat Pretzel posted:I suppose no one does serious number crunching on Macs, right? Because I can't see these ARM things doing any of that seriously (anything that isn't GPU compute, anyway). There's a reason why Intel and AMD chips are that huge and draw so much power. And it's definitely not the x86 to uOps decoder. That thing being big and power hungry is a dumb myth. maybe they'll sell a Intel Xeon accelerator MPX card for their ARM Mac Pro
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Jun 22, 2020 19:53
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Martytoof posted:So.. The introduction of these chips is a lot sooner than I expected, and I probably would've held off a year if I knew. But hey, it'll be fun to sit back and watch and when I eventually switch it'll be nice and mature by then.
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badjohny posted:Anyone know the name of the intro/exit song? perhaps the whitest question i've ever seen
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Combat Pretzel posted:I suppose no one does serious number crunching on Macs, right? Because I can't see these ARM things doing any of that seriously (anything that isn't GPU compute, anyway). There's a reason why Intel and AMD chips are that huge and draw so much power. And it's definitely not the x86 to uOps decoder. That thing being big and power hungry is a dumb myth. Most people are going to have a Linux server somewhere to do the real computations, but one of the reasons a lot of scientific software devs will use a Mac is because you can easily compile your code/libraries with the same options/scripts to debug and test your poo poo as you go while also having PowerPoint open.
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Did I see a widescreen CarPlay display, or is that something that exists now?Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:Will Rosetta 2 allow me to run 32-bit software that died in Catalina? Asking the real questions. (Probably not.)
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Jun 22, 2020 19:59
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I would love a low battery consumption ultra portable MacBook as my daily driver and have my desktop PC for heavy lifting. Bring on ARM.
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Honestly I like the idea of moving the notebook lines to ARM and probably the iMac, but I was genuinely hoping they would keep the Mac Pro (and possibly iMac Pro) as x86-based machines, or at least dual product lines. So that part of this all is disappointing but it was inevitable.
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Jun 22, 2020 20:04
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So what is this? $2-3k for a very fancy ipad with an attached keyboard?
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Quote from Tim: "We have some new Intel Macs coming down the pipeline that we're really excited about!" -- then resumes heaping praise on Apple Silicon™
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I don’t have it in front of me but wasn’t that almost verbatim what Steve said about PPC during the Intel launch?
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Small White Dragon posted:Did I see a widescreen CarPlay display, or is that something that exists now? It exists now.
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nerdrum posted:From a complete outsider perspective, what does this architecture change open vs x86 or is this just purely apple not wanting to pay intel for chips and not having the ability to purchase an x86 license? Intel's been a mess the past few years. I don't know about the x86 license part. I think it's more of a desire to be able to just scale their already existing chip manufacturing to their mac to cut costs and also be less subject to delays from their chip manufacturing. It's also unfortunately easier to break compatibility when third party support for Mac just isn't that robust of a thing, and kind of at an all time low with so many developers not making the hop to 64 bit. If they bring their apps up and Microsoft and Adobe, then most of their users will be happy. I think part of what made me adopt using Macs was the promise of compatibility, but in truth I booted to windows so rarely that I completely removed bootcamp a few years ago without missing it.
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Martytoof posted:I don’t have it in front of me but wasn’t that almost verbatim what Steve said about PPC during the Intel launch? Something like that. I just remember being screwed because I bought a G5 right as they announced the Intel transition would take a year or two, and then in a couple of months they started shipping Intel Macs and never looked back.
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Jun 22, 2020 20:29
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Being able to run iOS apps on a laptop is really exciting. I love the idea of using apps from iOS that may be better than ones available on OSX, but also the pressure it puts on developers to compile fat binaries for their apps lest they get left behind from iOS apps that are already available.
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Rick posted:Intel's been a mess the past few years. I don't know about the x86 license part. I think it's more of a desire to be able to just scale their already existing chip manufacturing to their mac to cut costs and also be less subject to delays from their chip manufacturing. It's also unfortunately easier to break compatibility when third party support for Mac just isn't that robust of a thing, and kind of at an all time low with so many developers not making the hop to 64 bit. If they bring their apps up and Microsoft and Adobe, then most of their users will be happy. I think part of what made me adopt using Macs was the promise of compatibility, but in truth I booted to windows so rarely that I completely removed bootcamp a few years ago without missing it. The scary part to me is what this means as a developer. I have no idea how homebrew is going to account for a huge architecture change. I imagine it's going to be bumpy as hell for years.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:The scary part to me is what this means as a developer. I have no idea how homebrew is going to account for a huge architecture change. I imagine it's going to be bumpy as hell for years. Well, people maintain those ports, it's not really on Homebrew is it?
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Bob Morales posted:Well, people maintain those ports, it's not really on Homebrew is it? I mean it's on apple if they replace a really good developer experience with a subpar one.
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Awful.app is the superior posting platform, and it's coming to our Macs very soon.
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moroboshi posted:Something like that. I just remember being screwed because I bought a G5 right as they announced the Intel transition would take a year or two, and then in a couple of months they started shipping Intel Macs and never looked back. I've got a Powermac G5 with a manufacturing date of June 2006 and sometimes I wonder who paid $2500 for it at that point in time.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:The scary part to me is what this means as a developer. I have no idea how homebrew is going to account for a huge architecture change. I imagine it's going to be bumpy as hell for years. Homebrew is probably the least difficult part of the whole thing since they build everything from source anyway. Building an existing command-line tool for arm64 is generally completely trivial.
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FuturePastNow posted:I've got a Powermac G5 with a manufacturing date of June 2006 and sometimes I wonder who paid $2500 for it at that point in time. To anything that isn't a small business, a $2500 machine is just a consumable and they'll buy the machine they need now, not the machine they may need next year. Especially desktop stuff to finish projects, etc. And I mean, Macs tended to be the realm of working creatives so I'd guess there was a good chance it was just a working machine that was bought as what I'd consider a consumable.
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FuturePastNow posted:I've got a Powermac G5 with a manufacturing date of June 2006 and sometimes I wonder who paid $2500 for it at that point in time. A lot of universities were still using G5-based Power Macs for various applications to at least 2012/2013, so it's not like the money ended up being wasted.
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I'm curious what’s going to happen to the Mac Pro. Two years doesn’t seem to be a lot of time for ARM SoCs to compete with the raw performance of reasonably up to date workstation hardware, particularly in the GPU department where AMD will keep developing faster chips with TSMC, RDNA2 and beyond.
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eames posted:I'm curious what’s going to happen to the Mac Pro. I would bet that is one of the last things to move to ARM. Also Apple could still support AMD GPUs in their ARM systems. No technical reason it would not work. Not saying they will, but they could. There are already ARM based workstations that use the Pro level AMD cards https://www.anandtech.com/show/15733/ampere-emag-system-a-32core-arm64-workstation
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Personally I’m looking forward to stores like BH Photo and Adorama hopefully running some fire sales of sorts towards the end on the Mac Pro and/or iMac Pro
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:The scary part to me is what this means as a developer. I have no idea how homebrew is going to account for a huge architecture change. I imagine it's going to be bumpy as hell for years. Well for awhile Rosetta 2 will supposedly seamlessly kick in and run those homebrew applications for you. Long term, homebrew is going to have to have x86/arm variants and come up with an intuitive way for you to choose globally and per brew. This is for all of the "pre-bottled" brews. For stuff you have to compile yourself via brew it won't matter. That stuff is trivially compilable as ARM assuming the author used even the most basic of cross platform code. xgalaxy fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jun 22, 2020 |
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Martytoof posted:So.. Agree, interesting times ahead. Can't wait to get an usb 4, pci express 4 mac with a 5nm chip early next year
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