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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Remember after season 3 ended and the show runners got an agreement of 3 more season from ABC so that they would be sure to end on their terms and we all were happy that they’d be able to plan everything out now without problems? Lol They mostly did. Writing regular run-of-the-mill TV is hard, writing bigger "prestige network" shows even more.
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nine-gear crow posted:In light of getting absolutely dogshit tired of JJ Abrams and his Mystery Box schitck over the decade and change since Lost ended, looking back I DO really appreciate Cuse and Lindeloff very unsubtly making fun of JJ's penchant for making Mystery Boxes with how they handle the crate with Locke's dad in it. With Ben snookering Locke and Sawyer into thinking it's a literal magical box and then just going "No, you dipshits, I had him tracked down, kidnapped, stuffed inside a crate and shipped her to the island in a submarine. Idiots" when it seems like they believe him. You know, I don’t think I picked up on Ben dispelling a magic box joke as the showrunners taking a shot at JJ Abrams, but I really like it. And Ben absolutely used the words magic box in his story. https://youtu.be/xhEfdBX2z6Y https://youtu.be/QwviJRqVsBQ https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_box My guess about the cabin confusion is the writers really didn’t know what they wanted out of the plot point and just said gently caress it. It’s clear the ring of black sand was supposed to be keeping Smokey out. Ben’s never disproven claim he never saw Jacob or anything else in the cabin is some form of manipulation (both Ben on the others and Smokey on Ben). I just don’t think the writers were all that jazzed about explaining really what on earth was happening. I suspect it’s the same decision the writers made about Ben’s secret room that he could use to “summon” Smokey, with summon open for interpretation of just what on earth was really happening.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Remember after season 3 ended and the show runners got an agreement of 3 more season from ABC so that they would be sure to end on their terms and we all were happy that they’d be able to plan everything out now without problems? Lol The show improved somewhat since they stopped needing to do filler episodes like flashbacks about Jack’s tattoos of Locke gets taken advantage of by hippy pot farmers. You’re right it’s still kinda tweaking your audience to claim that everything was mapped out.
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They always said the way they wrote the show was like a road trip. You know where you're going, but how you get there, if you make unscheduled stops along the way, etc. was wide open.
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:They always said the way they wrote the show was like a road trip. You know where you're going, but how you get there, if you make unscheduled stops along the way, etc. was wide open. The only thing they knew is that it would end with Jack dying in the same shot as the opener.
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wasn't jack supposed to be a false protag who bites it in the first ep
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God Hole posted:wasn't jack supposed to be a false protag who bites it in the first ep Yeah. They wanted to cast Kurt Russell* and have him be Captain Invincible Protagonist until they made it to the cockpit halfway through the pilot episode and then the smoke monster would have just eviscerated him and Kate would become the real protagonist of the show. Mathew Fox's audition or first few days on set, I believe, changed things wildly and Jack survived till the end of the show. *I believe Kurt Russell was the name they threw out, or someone in his particular vein of actor. Either way, this was from the days when film actors doing television was considered either an impossibility, the sign of a career coming to an end, or something you'd have to pay out the rear end for, hence why they'd kill off his version of Jack before the first episode was over. If Lost were made today, they probably could have pulled off having a big name lead and having their character survive the whole run of the show thanks the oversaturation of Prestige TV.
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I think it was Michael Keaton, not Kurt Russell? I feel like there has to be a reason why I always connected him with Matthew Fox and I think that's it... fake edit: Google agrees, yeah On a random note I was watching Bone Tomahawk the other night - which *does* star Kurt Russell - and was so pleased to see Matthew Fox being a badass in it.
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Anyone else remember when Dominic Monaghan was talking on Twitter about how some stuff and outed Matthew Fox as a wife beater?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Anyone else remember when Dominic Monaghan was talking on Twitter about how some stuff and outed Matthew Fox as a wife beater? *woman beater as i understand it, he is not limited to only beating wives
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I'm re-watching this show again and since I remembered I had access to archives I decided to use this power to go find the old threads of which happened before I joined. And now I present to you the page of the thread the moment Michael shot Ana and Libby and then himself (this then goes on for several more pages): https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1867023&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=18 Basically the same as any other show where something wild happens, I know I know, I don't know what I was expecting Lastdancer fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Apr 29, 2021 |
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Apr 29, 2021 04:55
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Shannon was stabbed. Time traveling bullets.
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Locke is controls sand monster.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Time traveling bullets. Antifa Turkeesian posted:Locke is controls sand monster.
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LividLiquid posted:Time traveling bullets isn't a stupid theory in a show that introduced unpredictable effects of time travel, had people shooting guns off into the trees, and also had bullets appear as if from nowhere in a different scene. Probably one of the top 5 things I’ve laughed hardest at on the forums. Made even better by the fact that, if I’m not mistaken, that was the account’s first and only post.
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Sorry for being gone for a while. Time traveling bullets wasn’t a terrible idea. The show kept teasing strange time traveling effects so the story could have moved in that direction. Hell I still wonder whether the writers meant to show the infamous gunfight on outriggers as being a crazy time traveling thing then got cold feet (I think I referenced that in this thread before… sorry I must have issues haha). So theory at the time was crazy and a bit lame, but also par for the course of Lost. Hell there was a recent movie that seemed to embrace the idea of time traveling bullets. Shimrra Jamaane posted:The only thing they knew is that it would end with Jack dying in the same shot as the opener. Which is funny because I can see that being the plan all along but then they let Matthew Fox joke in interviews for years that he expected to wind up dead on a beach with a dog in a familiar looking shot. God Hole posted:*woman beater Lord I forgot about that. How awful. LividLiquid posted:They always said the way they wrote the show was like a road trip. You know where you're going, but how you get there, if you make unscheduled stops along the way, etc. was wide open. I remember a couple of the episode commentaries on the DVDs implied this… quote="Lastdancer" post="514350559"] I'm re-watching this show again and since I remembered I had access to archives I decided to use this power to go find the old threads of which happened before I joined. And now I present to you the page of the thread the moment Michael shot Ana and Libby and then himself (this then goes on for several more pages): https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1867023&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=18 Basically the same as any other show where something wild happens, I know I know, I don't know what I was expecting [/quote] Thank you for this. Brings a smile to my face. Another example how old I now am but oh well. I wonder if I was posting watching the episode. I know I watched the episode when new. An under appreciated phenomena is see people on the west coast post later since the episodes air later of course.
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LividLiquid posted:Time traveling bullets isn't a stupid theory in a show that introduced unpredictable effects of time travel, had people shooting guns off into the trees, and also had bullets appear as if from nowhere in a different scene. Ditto for the theory Locke’s ever changing relationship with Smokey was classic fodder for posts and that’s before whatever long forgotten post you and Antifa Turkeesian referenced.
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Shannon was stabbed became a great meme. All from what was clearly a special effects fail
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LaptopGun posted:Sorry for being gone for a while. The boat shootout was telegraphed rather obviously as them shooting at themselves via time travel, because they obscured the identities of the people on the other boat, and why do that so late in the life of a show that you're not going to introduce anyone else significant enough to be worth making a mystery out of?
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Not gonna lie. I learned about what hollow earth theory was just because Lost teased it once and something like a quarter of posters bought into theory that’s what was going on in the show for a bit. Edit: theory as something people on the internet could still believe, not hey Jules Verne stories or fun TV shows LaptopGun fucked around with this message at 18:31 on May 18, 2021 |
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The boat shootout was telegraphed rather obviously as them shooting at themselves via time travel, because they obscured the identities of the people on the other boat, and why do that so late in the life of a show that you're not going to introduce anyone else significant enough to be worth making a mystery out of? EXACTLY. I’m glad I’m not the only one And yeah it was so late in the show they weren’t casting any surprise Others or disciples of Smokey Edit: they couldn’t even be bothered to explain Jacob had an adopted daughter and why she was important so they weren’t going to dive into the boat shootout LaptopGun fucked around with this message at 18:29 on May 18, 2021 |
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LaptopGun posted:An under appreciated phenomena is see people on the west coast post later since the episodes air later of course. And Canadians were a couple minutes ahead because of different ad breaks or scheduling or whatnot, leading to some ticked off people in the live posting.
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Remember when people got really fixated on how Ken Leung's character went to a house that had one set of picture frames when he went up the stairs and then had a different set of frames on the pictures when he went back down? That was one of the things that first got people fixated on time travel changing things or parallel timelines, as I recall.
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nine-gear crow posted:The most out of left field curveball in that regard was Final Fantasy XIII, which was basically "What if Lost, but a Final Fantasy". Especially with its whole first third of setting up a mystery, not explaining poo poo (directly, anyway, you could read the onboard encyclopedia if you really needed answers), and then backfilling everyone's character development through flashbacks. It got amazingly blatant about how much it wanted to be Lost at certain points, it just blew me away--including a minor character who straight up looked and sounded exactly like Sawyer. Fringe is a real stretch for LOST clone since it's just utterly a X-Files clone. It wasn't terrible but on rewatch I came to dislike how Olivia got sidelined as the action hero of the duo for whatshisface usurping her position for the most part. But trying to claim FF13 is a LOST clone is really amazing, since it has literally nothing in common with LOST. And what you describe is like, standard JRPG plot and character progression. I guess you could call FInal Fantasy 7 (1997) a LOST ripoff too by those standards.
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I agree with the idea that it’s just JRPGs trading in similar story conventionsAntifa Turkeesian posted:Remember when people got really fixated on how Ken Leung's character went to a house that had one set of picture frames when he went up the stairs and then had a different set of frames on the pictures when he went back down? That was one of the things that first got people fixated on time travel changing things or parallel timelines, as I recall. I can confirm that was a thing. It was also supposedly a reference to the original Prisoner (not the late 2000’s remake). There were deliberate red herrings in set design apparently. What’s frustrating is the same could be said about Eloise and her living in the Lamp Post station. “Wait she both knows the future and the past but needs a Dharma station to locate the island?” It’s obvious the writers had some retcons involving Eloise… From her Lostpedia page https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Eloise_Hawking In an interview with ew.com, the producers suggest that Eloise travels through time. LINDELOF: "Unless you travel back in time, like Mrs. Hawking does." [3] Well never know if plans changed or it was all a red herring I guess.
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stratdax posted:And Canadians were a couple minutes ahead because of different ad breaks or scheduling or whatnot, leading to some ticked off people in the live posting. Yeah that’s a good reminder too. I forgot that
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The boat shootout was telegraphed rather obviously as them shooting at themselves via time travel, because they obscured the identities of the people on the other boat, and why do that so late in the life of a show that you're not going to introduce anyone else significant enough to be worth making a mystery out of? I broke down and went on a wiki spiral of death. Start here if you want to follow. https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Outrigger_chase The TLDR version: the script writer said the identities and everyone involved has been coy or deliberately misleading since some or all of who it was supposed to be got killed on the show. I think this actually points to Ilana and the Ajira survivors. The DVD special features imply it’s crew from the Black Rock and was supposed to be part of Richard’s flashback. I think the repeated language of closing the loop probably means it was the Lostaways vs Ajira survivors… which probably means some were shooting at their future selves. Cuse and Lindlhof continue to keep the secret if you want to call it that. https://www.comicsbeat.com/nycc-20-lindelof-cuse-lost-panel/?amp https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/amp/news/lost-creator-still-refuses-to-answer-one-of-the-series-biggest-m/ Bonus references to the Whispers sometimes being Smokey, sometimes the Others, sometimes ghosts, and sometimes their own plot hole
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LaptopGun posted:I can confirm that was a thing. It was also supposedly a reference to the original Prisoner (not the late 2000’s remake). There were deliberate red herrings in set design apparently. What’s frustrating is the same could be said about Eloise and her living in the Lamp Post station. “Wait she both knows the future and the past but needs a Dharma station to locate the island?” It’s obvious the writers had some retcons involving Eloise… Uh, pretty sure this was me pointing out the bit with the picture frames  But I think there is some mis-remembering or conflating of things. I just actually went back and watched that drat scene (episode 4x2) and it brought the whole thing back.As I recall, what I was pointing out was that the drat picture of the kid was actually following Ken Leung around the house in the flashback - there was like a flash of it on the second floor when he goes into the kids room. Then there was a continuity error (I assume that's what it was) where after he comes back downstairs, the frame that the picture of the kid is in has changed. I think because we see the picture moving around the house that I may have thought that there was more to it all, but I'm pretty sure that it was just establishing that Miles actually was communing with a ghost and not bullshitting or something.
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I totally believe you. Oops
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Remember when people got really fixated on how Ken Leung's character went to a house that had one set of picture frames when he went up the stairs and then had a different set of frames on the pictures when he went back down? That was one of the things that first got people fixated on time travel changing things or parallel timelines, as I recall. But then they said it was just an accident and like... how?! LaptopGun posted:Not gonna lie. I learned about what hollow earth theory was just because Lost teased it once and something like a quarter of posters bought into theory that’s what was going on in the show for a bit. Anyway, this page has been great for pointing out the actual unanswered questions and inconsistencies in the show, which is a refreshing change of pace after years of hearing "it was purgatory the whole time" or "the plane crashed and they all died," or "they never explained what the island was" in any thread for any show that's going downhill.
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I remember the days when Nanobots was gonna be the answer to all our questions.
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LividLiquid posted:But then they said it was just an accident and like... how?! Sloppy attention to continuity, unprofessionlism, pick ups by second unit. Could be a bunch of reasons.
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There was a Starbucks cup in focus on a table in the final season of Game of Thrones.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:There was a Starbucks cup in focus on a table in the final season of Game of Thrones. I like to believe that was an intentional act of protest.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdgoTWDXVVY I never realized this was Ian Jones-Quartey, who makes cartoons now. Maybe he did then too.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Remember when people got really fixated on how Ken Leung's character went to a house that had one set of picture frames when he went up the stairs and then had a different set of frames on the pictures when he went back down? That was one of the things that first got people fixated on time travel changing things or parallel timelines, as I recall. Man I dont remember that at all and I was pretty heavily into Lost. But then again every episode had its own thread
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I remember the days when Nanobots was gonna be the answer to all our questions. I blame the “we promise everything will have a plausible scientific explanation” showrunners. This being the same guys who promised no time travel when they freaking knew there would be plenty of time fun. Also the writers and whoever ran the ARG over the years sure wanted the audience to think it was nanobots. There were several Easter eggs on various websites and a crazy nanobots conspiracy theorist in the ARG at one point. I still get a kick out of them having to update the episode where Hurleys house burned down because the internet thought the lovely smoke and fire CGI was a swarm of nanobots. And there was the best Smokey theory contest winner Linlehof and Cuse picked the guy who half guessed right the Monster was mutated by the island, but we all focused on what turned out to be the wrong half (Dharma nanobots mutated by contact with the island).
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The ARG was way more fun than I thought it would be. Also I don’t remember anything about it except for Alvar Hanso and a dress rehearsal of the live final radio broadcast that they accidentally did live with people listening to it, and the radio talk show guy complained about how unfair the fans were and how they complained about everything—which, ok that’s probably an incredibly fair criticism. I also remember them doing an event at comic con where a character from the ARG accused Lindeloff and Cuse of being murderers, which is an incredibly meta thing to do. I think in the ARG narrative it was because they were running DHARMA ads during the show or something. Kind of a brave move when all the media people and press there will just think a crazy person disrupted everything and is loose at comic con.
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LividLiquid posted:I was one of the people insisting it would be important because I've worked in film and there's no loving reason for the set dec to change like that AND for the camera to linger on it. And the paratrooper from Widmore’s search party was an astronaut or a Starship Trooper or a Morlock or from Narnia or…
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The ARG was way more fun than I thought it would be. Also I don’t remember anything about it except for Alvar Hanso and a dress rehearsal of the live final radio broadcast that they accidentally did live with people listening to it, and the radio talk show guy complained about how unfair the fans were and how they complained about everything—which, ok that’s probably an incredibly fair criticism. The Alvar Hanso gunrunning stuff and possibly being hundred of years old (plus Joop the maybe ancient ape) wound up inspiring several things on the show. It’s funny we know more about the Numbers from the ARG than the show itself. I’m sure the ABC publicity department was not happy with the Comic Con appearance that resulted in both the crowd and speakers swearing like they were in a Tarantino movie (whatever year teased the time traveling bunny rabbits). Hey a callback to writers dropping the time traveling bunny rabbit stuff because they didn’t want to go full Timecop (edit: same matter can’t occupy the same space at the same time)… it’s like I intentionally planned my response to reference that or something. LaptopGun fucked around with this message at 02:33 on May 20, 2021 |
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