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Reminder that the Taliban was negotiating with the US about handing over Bin Laden and this genuinely appeared to be the direction things were going when Bush et al decided to go for military force for no goddamn reason there as well. 20 years later and the US is negotiating basically handing over power of the country back to the Taliban. And it took almost a decade to find Bin Laden. The US could have achieved infinitely more of its stated geopolitical goals if it had refrained from using any military force following 9/11. Especially if we imagine the kind of different context that would've created for the Arab Spring. What the US could not have accomplished without the wars is funneling trillions of dollars towards private contractors of all kinds both at home and abroad by privatizing as much of its warfighting and "homeland security" infrastructure as possible and taking a whole bunch more steps on the fusing of the corporate world and the state. Profiteering was always the point of the wars both in Iraq and in Afghanistan and that is but one reason Bush is worse than Trump. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 16:17 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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I vote Bush is worse. Where’s the poll?
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docbeard posted:Trump's reaction to the actual 9/11 was to brag that he had the tallest building in New York now lol
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fart simpson posted:get this: he didn’t and they did Htbh but the legacy of a presidency is mostly shaped by the historical context, circumstances and events of that time. It's much more interesting to compare the personality of presidents and how they would have fared in different historical contexts. The question whether Ugg the Hairy from 8000BC is worse than Robespierre is not that interesting, htbh
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GABA ghoul posted:Htbh but the legacy of a presidency is mostly shaped by the historical context, circumstances and events of that time. It's much more interesting to compare the personality of presidents and how they would have fared in different historical contexts. The question whether Ugg the Hairy from 8000BC is worse than Robespierre is not that interesting, htbh 1. the question the threads asking you isnt which president has a worse personality. its which president is worse. 2. what the heck is htbh
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fart simpson posted:1. the question the threads asking you isnt which president has a worse personality. its which president is worse. 1. I'm trying to improve your thread here, op 2. Idk
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fart simpson posted:would trump have pulled off 9/11 or would he have messed it up out of incompetence? tbf bush did gently caress up the portion of 9/11 that was supposed to crash into the white house while he was out reading to children cheney was in the white house at the time, and famously ordered the military to get ready to shoot down jetliners
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LastInLine posted:ofc he wasn't committed to vietnamese peace, but after the war was lost he did actually leave. I wouldn't have called that a positive until seeing how Iraq and Afghanistan has gone and welp, it has to count for something. (I actually do believe he sabotaged the 1968 talks) by the 1968 talks, i meant that although nixon definitely sabotaged them, i'm skeptical that they would've led to peace anyways, since the south's goals wouldn't have been met anyway i'd actually love to know more about your thoughts on visiting china. is your thinking here that normalizing US-china relations led to the market economy of china today?
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docbeard posted:Well, Trump's reaction to the actual 9/11 was to brag that he had the tallest building in New York now, so probably both.
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GABA ghoul posted:It's much more interesting to compare the personality of presidents and how they would have fared in different historical contexts. it’s actually neither useful nor interesting and almost entirely projection
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comedyblissoption posted:obama continued the bomb middle east plan with libya, syria, and yemen and couped a bunch of other countries almost like it was an uninterrupted continuation of the bush administration 
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