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I assume the train set and cigarette tableau was left the same guy that was watching Della and Anita entering the lesbian speakeasy. Some McCutcheon goon trying to drive home Shady Dad's "stop looking into my boy's life or I'll start looking into yours" threat.
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I'm really enjoying this season more than the first. It definitely helps that everything feels more focused while season 1 kind of rambled.
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BigglesSWE posted:Love it. Really nice to see Perry do some good lawyering and sleuthing. Yeah. A message: I know where you live, and I can get into your house any time I want.
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So McCucheon put that woman in a convalescent home because he had his belt around her neck for too long, didn’t he?
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muscles like this! posted:I'm really enjoying this season more than the first. It definitely helps that everything feels more focused while season 1 kind of rambled. You can tell that The Knick showrunners took over.
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Solkanar512 posted:So McCucheon put that woman in a convalescent home because he had his belt around her neck for too long, didn’t he? That's a good call and makes a lot of sense to me. She asphyxiated too long, ended up pretty much brain dead, and McCutcheon was rich and connected enough to cover it up. My guess is her politician brother got a huge bribe that was hidden as part of the stadium construction arrangements since he knows or found out what went down there. I was sure the brothers were getting paid to take the fall, but unless there's another twist there I guess Perry's gonna have a few non innocent clients along the way too, which overall is more interesting and gives the character more internal conflict so that's fine with me. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone else took out McCutcheon and used the planned hit to have ready-set fall guys that should hopefully never tie back to the person who arranged the murder. Then for whatever reason (perhaps threats to their family) the brothers aren't telling Perry about how "yeah we totally were gonna kill this guy, but then we got there and he was already dead!" It seems like there's a lot of unneeded extra steps there, but at the same time with the level of wealth and power we've seen at work here something as simple as "pay a guy to pay a guy to pay another couple guys to kill a guy and hope those random poors manage it" seems sloppy. It also certainly seems like Brooks was killed because he was one of the people getting subpoena'd and we saw the Produce guy who also had a subpoena get killed by somebody; it seems simplest to just have that somebody kill Brooks too, but with the added frame-up for other people in place since he's so rich and famous. The stuff with the fingerprint also lends credence to the frame-up scenario. I like that it's not as black and white as them just being framed or just taking money to accept guilt, and I'm excited to see how all the little details of this pan out by the end of the season. Hopefully this show just keeps on truckin' because I've enjoyed the plotting and writing, the sets all look great, and it's a very fun lawyer show for me.
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Another good episode, go Della. Oh, Mason, both too Perry-noid and not paranoid enough.
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I loved this episode... except for the part when Perry immediately believed Mrs. Teacherlady betrayed him, especially since he knows that lockpicking is a thing. I know they half-assed set it up, but it's still contrived. This is noir, dammit, not soap opera! Still, though, that's the only thing I didn't like. Everything else is just so good.
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Heck yeah, called the belt. I certainly didn’t call the fact that it would be Della who got the “Perry Mason” moment. That bit where she turns to the jury with the belt around her neck was just great.
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The episode felt a little anticlimactic - that scene with Paul losing the car (and the kid wearing Ozzie's shoes) probably should've gone before Perry's big, paranoid blow-up. In fact, now I'm not sure Paul interacted with Perry and Della at all in the episode, making his story feel even more isolated. We keep spending time with Camilla Nygaard and I'm wondering where that thread is going - much like casting Katherine Waterston as Perry's kid's teacher, you don't cast Hope Davis as "socialite party host/oil magnate" if she's not going to be consequential in the long run. Also, I just realized that the dude's name is "Ham Burger."
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Camilla Nygaard is a *very* Swedish name (Nygård) so my ears perked up at the mention of the coin having a Swedish Royal as owner. Could be nothing, could be everything. As always with a good whodunnit. Kind of wonder if someone actually *replaced* the weapon in the safe, to have leverage over Mason. I don't recall it looking that silvery. BigglesSWE fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Apr 11, 2023 |
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I was thinking that too, maybe Pete trying not to completely double cross his old friend?
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Ballz posted:I was thinking that too, maybe Pete trying not to completely double cross his old friend? The build-up to it was so long too, which made me think that the gun ended up *not* being there, so I'm guessing/hoping this is what it is.
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I'm a little rusty on Pete's reason for leaving Perry to work for the DA. I know they talked about it in the S1 finale, and I think it was that he didn't want to keep doing underhand stuff, like Perry getting him to pay off a juror. I'm hoping there's some kind of twist to the gun thing, like he realized he's getting asked to do stuff like that no matter who he works for and doesn't go through with it. I'm absolutely stymied with who they'll loo into next/what the twist is going to be and how this'll wrap up with only two episodes left. I feel like Grice (Sean Astin) is going to factor back into it, and there's something with Nygaard, but yeah, I got nothin'. At least I'll be surprised!
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I feel like Gryce is coming in to help sort out whatever the hell is up with the food deliveries to the casino boat. I'm not expecting him to be in on the sleazy situation there or anything, but I expect Perry to bring what he knows/the produce he picked up to him and he'll help put the pieces together. My only guess at the moment on that is McCutcheon is smuggling in oil (maybe to cover for his oil fields not doing well enough). It's definitely a smuggling operation of some kind, but there's gotta be some weird twist for why oil would be involved in it. Solkanar512 posted:Heck yeah, called the belt. I certainly didn’t call the fact that it would be Della who got the “Perry Mason” moment. That bit where she turns to the jury with the belt around her neck was just great. It's got along way to go for wildest "attorney puts a belt around their neck as part of talking about someone using it in sexplay" scene. As far as I know Barba for Law and Order SVU still has that locked down, as seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyZryRhkfOU BigglesSWE posted:Kind of wonder if someone actually *replaced* the weapon in the safe, to have leverage over Mason. I don't recall it looking that silvery. The gun looked the same to me, though we got a nice detailed unobscured close-up of it initially and this time we just saw it at a distance with a hand covering up a nice chunk of it. I think they'll play this one straight and have it be the same gun, since Mason and Della are on their way to at least standing a chance at the trial and they need one last big obstacle to put all the odds against them again and make them actually uncover most or all of what's up here in order to win the day for ~justice~. I also like that this turned into an obstacle for Perry's new relationship as well. With how the character has been depicted he absolutely should be screwing up his romantic relationships at least once a season. NowonSA fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Apr 11, 2023 |
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I just kind of think this would be a hurdle too big for them to realistically overcome if it is played straight, but admittedly I’m not an expert of 1930’s California lawyering.
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If the Gallardos are telling the truth and did kill the guy for money, then it wouldn't exactly be a happy ending if they were found not guilty and that seemed to be at least a possibility before the gun got found out. This could get them on course for something like a 20-25 year sentence if all the tangled webs of things come out and Mason is able to put out there all the details for the DA and jury, or agree not to expose all kinds of shady poo poo if the DA will agree to a lighter sentence. Also hopefully the last episodes will bump this up a tier for me, and I'm still definitely liking the show and want as much of it as I can get, but I feel like season one was a more entertaining and higher quality season than season two. For me that mostly comes down to how much we got to see about how that church operated both in public and behind the scenes, and I felt like we were able to get a lot of insight into multiple interesting characters alongside fine acting. This time around it seems like we're drill down more on the main characters like Mason, Della, and Paul, but not getting enough development of the supporting characters, particularly those involved in the case. NowonSA fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Apr 12, 2023 |
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Did they actually find the Gallardos' fingerprints on the gun or anything? As far as I remember, the only reason they know that they used it is that the shady gun renter guy told them, which the DA doesn't know about.
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SimonChris posted:Did they actually find the Gallardos' fingerprints on the gun or anything? As far as I remember, the only reason they know that they used it is that the shady gun renter guy told them, which the DA doesn't know about. So, no fingerprints, but still enough evidence to reasonably convince Perry that the thing is radioactive.
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It's hard to tell if it was sloppy writing ("We need to remind the viewer that they're sitting on evidence, we'll have the prosecutor call it out") or the character jumping to conclusions/passively admitting to planting evidence (And Perry being so immediately in "Ah poo poo ah poo poo drat drat crap poo poo" territory that it didn't even register) I did appreciate the teacher's immediate reaction of "...the MURDER weapon?" She had presence of mind to know that's not something you should casually mention that you have, even in private.
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For what it’s worth, I think the show is laying a misdirect here since we don’t actually see Pete involved in the break-in. Milligan does his whole “you don’t want Mason thinking he’s smarter than you” routine right before it happens, but they pointedly don’t show who is actually picking the lock on the door to the office - you just get the silhouette of an arm backlit against the glass. It also doesn’t make sense in my mind for him to break in if Perry told him about it drunkenly off screen at the track. You could try to play it as him wanting to confirm it’s there before they bring it up in court and take the field trip, but with all of the glimpses of the team being followed I think it’s more likely that someone employed by McCutcheon is behind it. e: Pete also beat his fingers all to hell trying to pop the chain on the door to his apartment and they make a point of showing that as he’s talking with Milligan. Does that mean he wouldn’t be able to pick a lock or crack a safe? That may be a stretch but those two scenes are there for a reason. Freaquency fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Apr 13, 2023 |
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Freaquency posted:For what it’s worth, I think the show is laying a misdirect here since we don’t actually see Pete involved in the break-in. Milligan does his whole “you don’t want Mason thinking he’s smarter than you” routine right before it happens, but they pointedly don’t show who is actually picking the lock on the door to the office - you just get the silhouette of an arm backlit against the glass. It also doesn’t make sense in my mind for him to break in if Perry told him about it drunkenly off screen at the track. You could try to play it as him wanting to confirm it’s there before they bring it up in court and take the field trip, but with all of the glimpses of the team being followed I think it’s more likely that someone employed by McCutcheon is behind it. Those are great points!
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I knew I should've said "We're spending an awful lot of time with Camilla Nygaard...and her lawyer." The mystery was a lot more straightforward than it seemed - at least, once Imperial Japan came into play.
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Glad this season has sped up a bit - that was a great episode.
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LadyPictureShow posted:I'm a little rusty on Pete's reason for leaving Perry to work for the DA. I know they talked about it in the S1 finale, and I think it was that he didn't want to keep doing underhand stuff, like Perry getting him to pay off a juror. My memory there was a combination of him being pissy that Perry was giving investigative work to Paul and then the DA offering a position that let him feel like a big wheel, at least for a while. It feels like it's too late to starting pulling on a thread of 'if the Gallardos did the murder for money, who paid them' that seemed so logical before but maybe that's still where we're going. Really enjoying the ride again; Perry's paranoid meltdown was spectacular.
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How is the lawyers heroin addicted wife connected? I don’t remember what led Paul to question the kid with the orange chucks about her.
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AFewBricksShy posted:How is the lawyers heroin addicted wife connected? I don’t remember what led Paul to question the kid with the orange chucks about her. Her husband paid the dude who paid the Gallardos
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AFewBricksShy posted:How is the lawyers heroin addicted wife connected? I don’t remember what led Paul to question the kid with the orange chucks about her. Phipps, knowing where his wife was buying heroin, went to her dealer (Ozzie) to hire a hit on McCutcheon, and Ozzie then contracted that out to the Gallardos.
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This is such a great show with little fanfare. I hope it does well enough to be renewed.
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It all clicks into place nicely now. I guess Nygaard is probably taking point on the Japan deal in a lot of ways and McCutcheon is just the guy supplying the oil. We'll probably get a few more tidbits about how exactly that was all set up before the season's over. Kudos to the show, I didn't expect at all that the oil could be being smuggled out. Good tie-in to history too with Japan's oil embargo stuff going on too. I hope they lean on the history of the moment again in the many season that will hopefully come along of this fine show. Some drat sloppy smuggling work there though with oil ending up on the produce. It's a big rear end tanker, just store that fruit elsewhere and toss it off the boat elsewhere! I'm sad that my "get the produce to expert Sunny Gryce" prediction doesn't seem like it'll pan out. Now I think we're definitely on track to match or best season one, at least in my own eyes. If during the next season they can give me a setup as wild as the church from season one and combine it with how well this season is having everything all come together at the end here, I'll be one happy camper. Weirdly enough I'm optimistic that the show will keep going despite the insane amounts of cuts happening in the whole HBO ecosystem right now. It's a genre show, set in a historical period, and drawing on an IP that's quietly insanely popular (The Perry Mason book series is the third most popular book series of all time with 300 million books sold and 82 books written). Granted both the heyday of the series and the classic TV show are quite old, but I think there's some real value to carrying on that name and IP. Having Robert Downer Jr. and his wife as executive producers certainly can't hurt either. And of course, Matthew Rhys is doing a great job, but in the alternate universe where RDJ was cast as Perry Mason (which almost happened), you have to imagine they'd keep doing the show for literally as long as he wanted to keep playing the role regardless of what the ratings looked like. NowonSA fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Apr 19, 2023 |
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Awesome finale and I think a really neat way to wrap up everything. Really hope we get more seasons of perry (and Della and Paul and everyone).
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I sure hope we'll get more and that Matthew stays on. I think the 4-month jail sentence is a good excuse for a time-gap if the writers would like one, to hand wave away the Nygaard stuff. Also, man, Pete, you scumbag. -That's what got you here! -*You* got me here, Pete.
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Strong season, great finale. I said it last week but I was genuinely surprised by how straightforward the reveal of everything was, right down to the crime itself (I thought maybe we'd see in the flashback that the younger Gallardo actually pulled the trigger and his brother was taking the fall for him, knowing he couldn't survive 30 years in San Quentin, but no.) Madurai posted:it seems like a good offramp for Matthew Rhys if they're going to recast. Why would they do that? Deadline had a piece about the finale (released before it aired, unfortunately, so they don't get into the nitty-gritty of the ending) and Rhys was front-and-center along with two producers.
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I like that so far they've been writing season finales that also work well enough as series finales in case they don't get renewed. Hopefully we get some good news on a renewal sooner rather than later. Give me at least five seasons of this fine show, please and thank you.
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JethroMcB posted:Why would they do that? He's indicated he's not open to continuing the role indefinitely.
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Great season, great show. I remember almost nothing about what actually happened in S1 but I'm very happy a noir detective show is still a thing. Hopefully Rhys stays onboard, assuming HBO doesn't just cancel the show of course.
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