mobby_6kl posted:

Lol the F-150 is now $20k over what it launched for, Elon must be jealous https://www.thedrive.com/news/2023-ford-f-150-lightning-base-price-jumps-again-now-20k-over-launch

mobby_6kl posted:

cruft posted:

General Motors is doing away with Android Auto and Apple Carplay in their EVs, and the first model with this exciting new change will be the Equinox.

I believe their plan is to charge you every month for it.

quote:

Apple CarPlay and Android Auto systems allow users to mirror their smartphone screens in a vehicle's dashboard display.

GM's decision to stop offering those systems in future electric vehicles, starting with the 2024 Chevrolet Blazer, could help the automaker capture more data on how consumers drive and charge EVs.

...

"We do believe there are subscription revenue opportunities for us," Kummer said. GM Chief Executive Mary Barra is aiming for $20 billion to $25 billion in annual revenue from subscriptions by 2030.

cruft posted:

Thanks for the correction. I just fell asleep at my desk, maybe I need to stop trying to do important things for the day.

cruft posted:

Well, except they're starting with the Blazer and not Equinox. I dunno. I can't even be right at being right. I need to get to bed early tonight.

Anyway the larger point is that GM plans to deliberately crap things up as a way of getting more money out of you.

Nessus posted:

You can get a Prius you can plug in? Because poo poo fire I might get this Apple Mouse looking car then.

Elviscat posted:

Are you the guy that parks at my reserved charger at work, then leaves his car parked there all night even though it's done charging after an hour?


I know you're not, I just wanted to complain about that.

Elviscat posted:

And there's always the EV hummer, for those who refuse to deny any loads.

Three Olives posted:

I think everyone agrees that range estimates are not always accurate, much less very accurate, even when the car is doing the best job it can do with the data it has, you could turn on the highway and hit a very strong headwind or something.

The problem here is Elon is taking advantage of a very key fact, almost all people with long range EVs very rarely drive them outside of the typical daily commute of 40~ miles, it is taking advantage of this by deceiving users of what the car is calculating as the actual range is within almost all of it's usage purposefully because it creates better consumer sentiment. It's doing this intentionally, if you think you have 400 miles of range, you commute 40 miles a day, and the car tells you that you have 360 miles of range when you plug it in every day, but the car actually knows it has only 280 miles and it is hiding it from you, It's deceptive as gently caress and shows that the company is rotten to the core and I hope they are sued over it, it reflects poorly on all EVs.

bird with big dick posted:

It actually has a lot do with the EPA testing but I suspect most people that are posting don't understand why:

Except that's not really what's happening.

The car doesn't know it only has 280 miles of range because it's not psychic and when you get into it in the morning it doesn't know whether you're going to be driving around town at 35 mph all day doing errands (which to continue using your 360/280 numbers would result in a real world range of probably 400+ miles) or getting on the highway doing 85 with the heater set to 90F (which would probably result in a real world range of <200 miles).

So which number do you think it should display? City driving with no HVAC? Highway with heater blasting? Average of the two? 60/40 split like Edmund's testing? Constant 75 mph like insideev's testing? Range based off however you drove yesterday? How you drove the last week? Month? All time? None of them is right, none of them is a lie, all of them are going to be wildly inaccurate depending on what sort of driving you're going to do that day or if you drive outside your normal habits.

What it does is take the EPA number and multiply it by the SoC. It doesn't "know its range is 280 and lie to you." Because it doesn't know how you're going to drive that day. If it's all city you'll beat that number. If it's all highway you won't even get close to that number. So if you're saying its number is a lie you're saying the EPA number is a lie, hence all the discussion about how the EPA number is actually pretty poo poo but you can't blame that all on Tesla.

And as Edmund's testing shows, the EPA number is actually quite accurate as long as you're driving in roughly the proportions that they test. The majority of Teslas were between -0.9% and -3% compared to the EPA. That is pretty goddamn good. The M3P was well off for some reason (summer only pirellis) but people that buy cars with summer only Pirellis probably know and accept that it fucks their range.

And the second you plug in a destination that number essentially ceases to exist because it uses the actual speeds and hvac usage and energy consumption to plot your range/SoC on arrival (which it does considerably more accurately than Ford from my experience).

I don't even see the range number being complained about because as a non-moron I have my car set to display SoC. But if I did use it, it would actually probably be a lowball because nearly all my driving is currently closer to that 35 mph number.

I think it probably would be more useful if it displayed a range based on the last 200 miles of driving or whatever but to say that that number would be right and that using the EPA number is literally lying is just incorrect. All of the possible methods it could use will be wrong, some might be more or less useful dependent entirely on your driving habits.

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All five Tesla models tested by Edmunds failed to achieve their advertised range, the website reported in February 2021. All but one of 10 other models from other manufacturers exceeded their advertised range.

Tesla complained to Edmunds that the test failed to account for the safety buffer programmed into Tesla’s in-dash range meters. So Edmunds did further testing, this time running the vehicles, as Tesla requested, past the point where their range meters indicated the batteries had run out.

Only two of six Teslas tested matched their advertised range, Edmunds reported in March 2021. The tests found no fixed safety buffer.

Edmunds has continued to test electric vehicles, using its own standard method, to see if they meet their advertised range estimates. As of July, no Tesla vehicle had, Elfalan said.

“They've gotten really good at exploiting the rule book and maximizing certain points to work in their favor involving EPA tests,” Elfalan told Reuters. The practice can “misrepresent what their customers will experience with their vehicles.”

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If the remote diagnostics found anything else wrong with the vehicle that was not related to driving range, advisors were instructed not to tell the customer, one of the sources said. Managers told them to close the cases.

Tesla also updated its phone app so that any customer who complained about range could no longer book service appointments, one of the sources said. Instead, they could request that someone from Tesla contact them. It often took several days before owners were contacted because of the large backlog of range complaints, the source said.

[sic]

The team was expected to close about 750 cases a week. To accomplish that, office supervisors told advisers to call a customer once and, if there was no answer, to close the case as unresponsive, the source said. When customers did respond, advisers were told to try to complete the call in no more than five minutes.

In late 2022, managers aiming to quickly close cases told advisors to stop running remote diagnostic tests on the vehicles of owners who had reported range problems, according to one of the people familiar with the diversion team’s operations.

“Thousands of customers were told there is nothing wrong with their car” by advisors who had never run diagnostics, the person said.

priznat posted:

Yeah I’ve known a few people who went with a tesla over other brands just based on purported range so that’s sketchy as hell.

Lawyers who deal in class actions must be getting super excited.

quote:

If the remote diagnostics found anything else wrong with the vehicle that was not related to driving range, advisors were instructed not to tell the customer, one of the sources said. Managers told them to close the cases.

Tesla also updated its phone app so that any customer who complained about range could no longer book service appointments, one of the sources said. Instead, they could request that someone from Tesla contact them. It often took several days before owners were contacted because of the large backlog of range complaints, the source said.

[sic]

The team was expected to close about 750 cases a week. To accomplish that, office supervisors told advisers to call a customer once and, if there was no answer, to close the case as unresponsive, the source said. When customers did respond, advisers were told to try to complete the call in no more than five minutes.

In late 2022, managers aiming to quickly close cases told advisors to stop running remote diagnostic tests on the vehicles of owners who had reported range problems, according to one of the people familiar with the diversion team’s operations.

“Thousands of customers were told there is nothing wrong with their car” by advisors who had never run diagnostics, the person said.

Tiny Timbs posted:

Buddy they’ve been ignoring the actual article since before I can remember

Blue Moonlight posted:

Elviscat posted:

Yeah, but how often do 2 clerks get murdered at the same gas station?

THE BIG DOG DADDY posted:

Ok Comboomer posted:

look, if the doors are unlocked, then the car should be “on” and ready to move. It’s that simple

Basch lives! posted:

So it's socially acceptable for a homeless guy to give my mach e the thumbs up of approval but not to own an ev. I reject such a society.

Wayne Knight posted:

slidebite posted:

Is that paint or SS like my fridge?

mobby_6kl posted:

It's SS like the German one.

ilkhan posted:

JFC does every post ITT have to be a "gently caress Elon and his pro-first amendment ways" dumpster fire? It gets really loving tiring.

Nfcknblvbl posted:

I need to step up my posting game if I wanna get a shoutout.

borkencode posted:

I bet Elon pushed for it to be J42069.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

I will toxx that you will never be able to buy a Cybertruck in the US for $50K

Nfcknblvbl posted:

Raw MSRP for the single motor version.

quote:

When Tesla announced the Cybertruck in 2019, there were three trims: Single, Dual, and Tri-Motor. They were priced at $39,990, $49,990, and $69,990, respectively. With only the Dual and Tri-Motor configurations still standing

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

https://x.com/ford/status/1455629718066110468?s=61&t=fWsm-upldseXptBaVlet9Q

Ford are cowards for not making these. COWARDS

Speleothing posted:

This thread is full of morons

bird with big dick posted:

Nice meltdown

Three Olives posted:

Yes.

They are of course being completely disingenuous but after this filters down through conservative media a conservative will argue to your face, an actual owner of an electric car, with complete righteous conviction that an EV costs hundreds of dollars per month to charge, like, literally, when you tell them it is impossible because you own one and receive an electric bill every month, they will flat out accuse you of lying to push your EV "agenda".

I wish I was kidding, it has happened to me multiple times, it's like ballot stuffing, or antifa or the 5G conspiracy, I promise you there are literally hundreds of thousands of people that will hear about that report that are absolutely certain that everyone driving an EV is paying like $1,000+ per month in electricity to charge it and if you won't admit it, you are a loving brainwashed liberal idiot.

mobby_6kl posted:

What if the chemicals enlarged their dicks instead