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So in EV-adjacent land, Hyundai is doing what seems to me to be a pretty ridiculous lease on a Nexo FCV: $379/month with $2,500 signing fee. I'm in a somewhat unique position. I live in an apartment, so no chargers for me. I also live in Sacramento, about 10 minutes from a station and with a second one on a typical driving route for me. I very rarely travel outside the Sacramento area, and when I do it's either to the Bay or to the mountains -- well within its range. Both stations near me are 100% renewable according to the California Fuel Cell Partnership so I'm confident these are using methane to generate the juice. Usual FCV rules apply -- free fuel throughout the lease, $4,500 state rebate through CVRP (when it gets funded again). Not sure if the $8,000 federal tax credit applies on a lease? Am... am I nuts? Is this really a good idea? What stupid trap am I walking into?
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Jul 16, 2021 19:36
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Trabisnikof posted:Watch for real accessibility and availability of h2 at stations. Like the 1 station at harris ranch right now has enough h2 for ~20 Nexos, which over a major holiday that might run out. Also sometimes stations that are listed as publicly accessible aren't really. Yeah I've noticed outages are not exactly uncommon. All the stations here are H70. Ola posted:One site blew up and so they all got closed down. Haven't opened up since, all owners have stranded assets. Of course a lease would be less of a commitment. And of course I have no idea how likely it is that they would suddenly stop where you are. Is this risk part of the contract perhaps? Do they own or partner with whoever owns the filling station? The two stations here (and the proposed third) are Shell. I also happen to work for the government agency that gives grants for hydrogen stations, so I should be able to see the terms/conditions there easy enough.
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Jul 16, 2021 20:28
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Well I'm doing it. I'm dumb.
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Jul 16, 2021 23:24
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Agreed
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Jul 17, 2021 00:35
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Well it's done and the Nexo is home. Like all major purchases I will have buyer's remorse for the next week or so. I really like the ride though, as someone who has never driven an EV or really anything post-2008 before. Just feels like a regular-rear end car, except smoother and with a better screen. All three stations in Sacramento currently have hydrogen!
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Jul 17, 2021 05:50
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I… um… like the cruise control on the Nexo so far?
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Jul 17, 2021 19:50
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cruft posted:What's it like to drive? Does it have multiple gears? It’s very smooth and comfy, almost like driving a cloud. No gears. bird with big dick posted:What's it called? Something worse than autopilot, I'd wager.
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Jul 17, 2021 20:19
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Nah it goes in as a gas at something like 10,000psi (70 megapasval) into three tanks around the back. It’s only 6 kilograms but still takes up a decent amount of space.
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Jul 17, 2021 20:39
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One thing about this Nexo puzzles me. There’s paddles to ramp the regenerative braking up or down, but as it’s only a hybrid-level, 1.5kWh-ish battery it doesn’t really ever seem to matter much anyway. Not sure when I’d want to adjust it one way or the other.
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Jul 18, 2021 01:27
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Ola posted:Can you see how full the battery is? And can you brake into an intersection from 40-50 mph using only regen? There's a power map screen thing showing power coming to/from the battery and/or the fuel cell, but I can't tell if the battery icon show a charge status or not. The infotainment manual isn't particularly helpful here. And no, you can certainly feel the deceleration when you take your foot off the gas* but it's definitely not enough to stop the car in a reasonable distance. *lol it's literally a gas pedal
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Jul 18, 2021 07:39
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bird with big dick posted:What percentage of hydrogen is currently created via electrolysis? The station map at the Fuel Cell Partnership shows the energy source for each station. The two near me are 100% renewable so I imagine those are electrolysis. A lot of others are just 33% renewable so they're probably using methane and counting the renewable portfolio standard as the 33%. I filled up for the first time today. I forgot to take pics of the nozzle itself, sorry, but you've probably seen other pics of them. The base of the nozzle where it connects to the hose feels chilled, maybe 45 degrees or so.   The first time I tried to fill up it didn't dispense anything, so I had to try again. Someone gave me a hand this time. The station was empty by the time I got there but when I left ten minutes later there were two others waiting, sheesh.  Got a full fill-up.  The "five minutes to fill up" thing is probably close to accurate when you know what you're doing, but there's only two pumps and one of them was offline, so until there's more stations there will probably be more of a wait. Maybe FCEV owners hang out together while waiting to fill up, I dunno.
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Jul 18, 2021 23:15
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MrPablo posted:Thanks, these are fascinating. Hell, same
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Jul 19, 2021 00:09
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Went for a spin around town late tonight, just on the freeways. Driving is fun again now that there's far less guilt and cars cutting in front of me just means I get to watch the adaptive cruise control work its thing more. This is great. The range estimate is kinda lowballing me -- driving 47 miles cut the available range by 36 miles. It's not an especially cool night so okay then. One other thing I haven't figured out -- Hyundai makes a deal of how this thing cleans the air as it goes, because the fuel cell needs very pure air to function properly. Where are the pollutants going? I can't find anything about a filter needing to be changed. I can definitely confirm it's not one-pedal driving at regen level 3 -- slowest it will go with no foot on either pedal is 4-5mph on flat ground.
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Jul 19, 2021 07:42
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it gets hot af in a car wash with no a/c what the hell are you doing edit: fcevs are not eligible for a discount at shell if you get a car wash
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Jul 20, 2021 01:52
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What if you put charge ports on both sides.
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Jul 21, 2021 18:46
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Qi, but for EVs.
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Jul 21, 2021 18:54
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:the taycan has this as an option link plz to the insta of assholes using both sides at once at public chargers to try to make it go faster
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Jul 21, 2021 20:27
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I don't know if it's my dealer or Hyundai but where the hell is my fuel card dammit
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Jul 22, 2021 00:21
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Hydrogen FCEV update: Do you make this blue-hydrogen deal with the devil
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Jul 29, 2021 00:07
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VideoGameVet posted:'Renewable' I'm assuming it's the base 33% of California's Renewable Portfolio Standard, so probably whatever hydro/wind/solar is used by SMUD.
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Jul 29, 2021 02:19
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I got my hydrogen fuel card!
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Jul 29, 2021 20:22
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wolrah posted:Obviously regen settings need to be static, no one wants to have to adjust them every time you start the car, My Nexo resets the regen every time 
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Aug 4, 2021 16:15
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Nfcknblvbl posted:What is it with EV owners and their vanity plates? I'd get one for my Nexo but I'm sure every permutation of HNDNBRG has been taken.
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Aug 10, 2021 07:31
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~~hydrogen stories~~ I have learned that the reason I can’t always pull the gas pump out right away is because it freezes to the car’s receptacle. Had a nice little ring of frost around the car’s nozzle when I did get it out, maybe 90 seconds after the fill up. Also the car has a bit too much off-the-line pep for the tires sometimes. Made a little squeal at a green light last night.
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Aug 12, 2021 18:38
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Kinda feel like an rear end in a top hat for getting my FCEV now. Sorry everyone 
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Aug 15, 2021 01:11
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Fair enough, thanks  I'm not quite at one month yet but I'll say I really like the dang car.
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Aug 15, 2021 04:26
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Fuel Cell status update: I had to fill up at a blue hydrogen station last night because there's an outage at the plant that makes renewable hydrogen from landfill gas. The blue hydrogen pump is literally at an oil terminal, just to drive the point home. Felt weird man
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Aug 23, 2021 07:04
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SlowBloke posted:Blue/grey hydrogen is PR for big oil so it's natural to feel weird, don't worry about it. Just look at this lawn ornament
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Aug 23, 2021 17:47
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HFCV update: currently sitting fourth in line at the one H2 pump in Sacramento that’s still operating due to an outage.
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Aug 29, 2021 03:53
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At least I'm not this guy I saw yesterday
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Aug 29, 2021 08:53
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The Romans built it in 392 to keep the Visigoths from freeloading.
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Sep 11, 2021 00:23
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Charles posted:It also actively responds to close-range low-speed cut-ins by other drivers *middle finger pops out of hood*
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Sep 13, 2021 06:01
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More like the Bug-E then.
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Jun 14, 2022 21:55
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Just going to have a tiny rant here and complain that the Subaru Solterra and Toyota bz4x/busy forks have the exact same VIN stem, which is going to make distinguishing between the two for purposes of VIN decoding very difficult. As that's part of my job, I am big mad. BTW I'm the one who got that Nexo FCEV about a year back. I still like the car! Pity that they can't keep the stations running to save their lives tho.
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Jun 29, 2022 08:14
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cruft posted:I would like to hear more from the hydrogen car guy. Is it getting difficult to find refill stations? How is the price of hydrogen? I think there's two parts to your first question, the existence of stations and their uptime. The station map hasn't really changed much in the past year in terms of expanding reach -- they keep wanting to build stations in the bay area which already has a bunch. In theory I could (just barely) make it from SF to LA by filling first in San Jose and then in Santa Barbara, with about 100 miles of slack. Going north, there's nothing past Sacramento so you could make it to about Chico before having to turn back. I don't see anything expanding this range at the permitting state right now. As for reliability.... yeah, no. There are three stations in Sacramento, with one about two miles from me. That one has been very flaky over the past year. I'd be surprised if its uptime was more than 60%, and has a real fun habit of going down during my five-minute drive to the station. In January the whole town was down to a single working pump, which itself saw wait times in the hours. It's gotten somewhat better now, but the station near me has been down for the past week and a half anyway so gently caress you, Shell. As for the price, it has ostensibly held steady at $16.45/kg, or about $8.00/GGE by my math, but when you lease a FCEV you get a card for free gas, and I think just about everyone leases. That part at least is pretty nice these days.
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Jun 29, 2022 18:02
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Max solar flux is about a horsepower per square meter on a good day, but solar panels are what maybe 15% efficient at most these days? e: that works out to about 300w for 2 meters of solar panels on a car. now to see how wrong i am! Tayter Swift fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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Jul 1, 2022 07:34
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The Solterra/Busy Forks piss me off because they share the same VIN pattern to the extent where you can’t tell one from the other from the VIN alone. Part of my job is tallying ZEV sales in my state by make/model and starting this quarter I just have to go  at that line.
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Jul 12, 2022 03:55
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My Hyundai dealership snuck in a 10,000 annual milage limit on my Nexo lease when the ad said 12,000 loving dealers, I swear.
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Jul 18, 2022 19:07
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Wrong drat thread
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Jul 22, 2022 03:14
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Hi, you might remember me as the idiot who bought a hydrogen fuel cell Nexo last year. I just wanted to mention that I spent four hours in line waiting to fill up last week because to of the three stations in Sacramento are busted and the third can only fill three cars an hour. Thank you, God Bless and Happy Holidays!
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Dec 19, 2022 22:04
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